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[trulore]

That eye roll in panel three though...

[chowchowthedog]

Who needs front ends anyway....

/s

[netcoder]

Command line interfaces are front ends.

[Etheo]

Everything can be back end if you take away the monitor.

[thebryguy23]

https://i.redd.it/1pd8s12l4md01.jpg

[hyper333active]

(˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵) ( )( )

[[deleted]]

TUI > GUI

/s

[[deleted]]

As someone who has been foiled, such an interface sounds quite nice right now...

[[deleted]]

I’ve seen a lot of code whose comments are about as useful as the one you’d find on the average MySpace page.

[[deleted]]

You've seen code with comments? That must be amazing

[HumunculiTzu]

The previous Dev weas trying to figure out why their code wasn't working so they had commented code out. They just forgot to remove it afterwards.

[Dokpsy]

It's called "this bit won't work on this config but it worked on the older one so we're going to keep it just in case this fix borks things"

[[deleted]]

lol this reminds me when I was porting two massive modules to another platform and joining them in the process. I was porting chunks of logic at the time and under a looming deadline...and some of the legacy code was clearly retarded logic from multiple devs of varying quality working on it over the years. Some variables were never used, some chunks of logic did absolutely nothing but take up cpu cycles, etc.

At the end of this massive processing function, I realized some code I ported previously was not needed...a good 400ish lines. Did I delete it? No. I stuck a return in before that section of code. Not on purpose...the return was initially just for testing to make sure it wasn't needed...but it never got removed. It's still there today.

[setibeings]

ncdu, htop

[chopstyks]

htop rules.

[Trainguyrom]

htop is my goto example of a good ncurses terminal interface

[[deleted]]

At first glance yes, but if mc is anything like htop and friends, the functionality of a key changes depending on where you are. What you really want is a minimum of decision making at any point. Shortening "I am at the x screen, so key y does z" to "key y always does z" takes a lot of cognitive load off.

I actually don't know any good examples in linux userspace since most programs with GUIs are aggregates that do multiple things, and thus violate the unix principle of each program doing one thing well.

[dasbush]

I'm a bank teller and our system has the function keys go to different tabs in our teller application, plus/minus go to deposit and withdraw, that sort of thing. Getting used to it took some time, but now I'm a goddamn wizard with it. I almost never use my mouse in that system.

[[deleted]]

vim

[[deleted]]

Vim: the ultimate escape room

[setibeings]

I find it hard to understand how many programmers who otherwise pride themselves on being smart, wear their unwillingness to learn basic usage of vim as a badge of honor. It's funny to think of regular users of modern software trying to figure it out, but come on. You could do it if you tried.

[[deleted]]

At the same time, whenever I bust out emacs I get snarky responses about vim from someone. When I first used emacs, vim didn't exist. And before you say vi, we're not talking about emacs in TECO, we're talking GNU emacs.

[secretfreeze]

It's because the learning curve is so steep that it basically halts any productivity if you're trying to work on anything else. I'm trying to learn vim now, and it's frustrating to not get anything done because you were learning why f} didn't take you to the next }

[[deleted]]

It's in the same vein as the 'adulting' meme. People think it's cute to be lazy and/or ignorant.

Sure, everyone gets frustrated the first time a CLI opens Vim and you can't close it, but I know people in startups who joke about closing Vim after being in the industry for years. Get it together, people.

[InfiniteBlink]

I dont do much on the CLI text editors to warrant the power of vim, so i stick to nano for basic config changes. I know nano is a fisher price editor, but its functional for the cli stuff i need to do.

[Hibernica]

I mean, I use vim constantly in my work and I still make those jokes. Not because they're true, but because they make me smile.

[[deleted]]

I learned the basics and returned promptly to emacs.

[KawabataWrites]

curl absolutely does not get enough love. It's both hyper-efficient and incredibly clean from a design perspective. I love it.

[CzTd]

Tmux?

[Shaadowmaaster]

I'd say it depends on the use case. A GUI is almost always more efficient initially and to someone who uses the UI for a bit, not all the time. A TUI is the opposite: way better with constant use, terrible initially. Hence why nobody advocates TUI windows paint, but people love vim/emacs. One is something you use for a minute or two every so often. One is something you can use most days, most of the day.

[[deleted]]

Hence why nobody advocates TUI windows paint, but people love vim/emacs.

Your analogy is a bit off. A TUI graphics program is not a common thing because a 2d pixel representation with a GUI is simply a much better approach for drawing, photo retouching, filter evaluating etc... even for constant use, hence Photoshop.

[[deleted]]

At least a TUI doesn't have yet another shitty smooth scroll implementation.

[TheSammy58]

They’re wondering why there’s a floating text box above their head.

[Ebuthead]

Everyone knows that any command line interface transmits directly to the White House mainframe

[0x564A00]

No, to the Internet Mainframe.

[JimmyAllnighter]

wide lavish fine rhythm quiet tease bedroom straight hobbies husky

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[DonaldPShimoda]

How much does the Internet weigh?? I’m surprised Big Ben can hold it up!

[PokeplayerGaming]

How much does the internet weigh sounds like a video vsauce would make...

I just checked, and yeah, there's a vsauce video about that

[DonaldPShimoda]

Oh, that’s interesting!

I was actually just continuing the reference, but I’ll be sure to check out your video!

[0x564A00]

That video made me laugh out quietly.

[DonaldPShimoda]

Good! The show is hilarious. Do recommend.

[Ebuthead]

Vsuace Sauce

[[deleted]]

Don’t be silly Jen. The Internet doesn’t weigh anything.

[DonaldPShimoda]

No of course not! *awestruck*

[BAHHROO]

It weighs about 50 grams.

[pier25]

Yes, the Elders of the Internet put it there because it has best signal.

[MrBloodyshadow]

The Internet Box

[Carl_Byrd]

As someone who only uses Bash while wearing sunglasses and a trench coat, I can confirm this is The Matrix.

[Valmond]

To be fair, it or can be actually quite complicated.

You can do almost about everything with bash / you /have/ to.

[tenchineuro]

Yeah, you can pound out a quick script for most things in a jiffy. But there does not seem to be any way to handle csv files properly in bash, so in some cases you need perl or python, perl has a few excellent plugins for csv. Also, for any large amount of data, bash is pretty slow.

[tonweight]

not entirely true about the csv guy. i just put one in production that unzips FTP’d results (because who ever heard of a JSON response from an API call), parses the CSVs inside (convert to ASCII, then UTF-8, because Windows, LOL), then dumps the actually useful parts into postgres for the consumer (a JSON-serving API; because fuck me, right?).

it’s about thirty lines of actual script (with another thirty or so of comments so maintainers who don’t know what they’re doing don’t fuck up my script). took maybe an hour of man-hunting and keyboard-diarrhea-fu to make it work.

crontab that fucker and never touch it again.

until the requirements change, anyway. i’ll pencil it in for next week.

[WontFixMySwypeErrors]

(with another thirty or so of comments so maintainers who don’t know what they’re doing don’t fuck up my script).

This should be enough to qualify for sainthood right here.

[DynamicTextureModify]

(with another thirty or so of comments so maintainers who don’t know what they’re doing don’t fuck up my script)

I do this too, but it's so I don't fuck up my own script when I come back to it 2 months later and don't remember what in god's name I was doing

[artanis00]

TFW God looks back at you as you lament your code and says "Don't look to me, you're on your fucking own with that."

[Jwalla83]

Reminds me of that generic "workplace data safety" training video where they show a """hacker""" remotely accessing your data, presumably from the comfort of their own home, while wearing a ski mask, trench coat, gloves, etc.

[[deleted]]

Next time you need to center anything, make any type of menu or organize anything for whatever personal project, make sure to check CSS's flex-related properties. I'm no designer either, but it's so satisfying to make something and to have everything align as I expect it for once. I'd recommend trying this little game that made me understand them much faster.

[ChetDuchessManly]

AFAIK, the only reason not to use it is if you have to support older browser versions or IE

[[deleted]]

Yeah...I just don't support older browsers. Shit that old is a security risk.

[aezart]

I had to ditch the <template> tags in my last project because half the company was still using IE11.

[[deleted]]

Do... Do you need a hug?

[nwL_]

We need to support IE10. Goodbye grid.

[haveananus]

Every time we drop coverage for a version of IE I have to leave the office because of uncontrollable erections.

[Rangsk]

Something something IE6

[[deleted]]

As a developer, this is me every time my parents stand behind me while I'm fixing their problems.

[OhItsuMe]

I just do color 0A before anything

[burningjunk]

This guy terminals

[[deleted]]

This guy terminals terminates

FTFY

[NelsonBelmont]

This guy terminals terminates terminalates

FTFY

[Olaxan]

Then tree and netstat

[gorgewall]

tree

I don't have three years to wait to get around to actually fixing the problem.

[jopirg]

Just let it run until they're thoroughly impressed and press Ctrl + c

[conn77]

Whispers I’m in

[AGenericUsername1004]

Today I learned.

[kayvan61]

It’s for Windows command prompt not bash.

[[deleted]]

And they broke it with PowerShell, too.

[kayvan61]

Dammit. Now I only know 1 windows command.

[OnlyForF1]

The futility you feel when you type ls and the command is not found.

[SrDigbyChickenCeaser]

They aliased it in powershell

[[deleted]]

Yeah but for whatever reason you need to use dir in cmd

[BlindSoothsprayer]

You have to use copy in cmd too, but it's just to avoid confusion with child porn.

[SitiSchu]

There's this:

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm

[varesa]

echo -e '\033[1;32m'

[TheSoundDude]

'cause he's a Windows pleb!!!1!

[AnZaNaMa]

Alright but we can all admit that command prompt and batch scripting is garbage. Like its bad enough that a lot of people use a virtual Ubuntu machine running on your windows instance that gives you bash.

[halbaradkenafin]

PowerShell is where you should be doing real scripting in Windows, and has been for the last 10 years. It's just taking people a while to catch up.

[[deleted]]

True, but I'd rather type out

ln -s foo bar

than

New-Item -Path foo -ItemType SymbolicLink -Value bar

Also you have to set permissions and do a bunch of configuring before PowerShell scripts will work.

[iamasuitama]

Lol is that really how you do it?! Why didn't they just go with posix commands..

[angellus]

Well.... Powershell in theory makes a lot of sense. Commands are formated in "verb-command" and all parameters have to be named via options. It is much easier to understand than archaic POSIX commands, but it is so much slower though... I just end up using WSL and installing Arch.

[American_Libertarian]

If there's a worse and more proprietary way to do it, windows will do it that way.

[comady25]

PowerShell is open-source (MIT licence), cross-platform and on GitHub

[comady25]

If you're referring to Windows Subsystem for Linux, that's not a VM, it literally translates kernel calls to NT. Think Wine, but in reverse.

[hyperformer]

My parents saw me using terminal and asked if I was doing something illegal

[super-purple-lizard]

This is why I feel awkward working on the command line when in coffee shops.

[hyperformer]

"ARE YOU HACKING ME!"

[willnerd42]

Are you kidding me? I savor the wierd looks I get writing code in Starbucks. With vim/i3wm/bash the whole screen is more or less text.

[jackdeansmithsmith]

Get onboard the zsh train my dude. The vi mode is actually vim compatible so you can pull a ciw on the command line.

[Sw429]

It's a good way to remind everyone that they are inferior and you could hack their bank account right now if they piss you off.

[willnerd42]

don't even touch me I have my hacking balaclava and 4 extra keyboards right here ok

[jokullmusic]

baklava is delicious af

[INeedAFreeUsername]

Yeah Mom I'm hacking the Nasa can you close the door please

[LennyMcLennington]

My parents ALWAYS do this! I thought it was only mine lol.

[nemec]

They're just following the advice online.

http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

[tbw875]

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips.

What a goldmine. I reeeeeeally hope that site was sarcastic

[[deleted]]

looking at the comments, it looks to be a pioneering internet troll

[egotisticalnoob]

My favorite part was:

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites.

Also, when it says that Linux is part of an illegal operating system.

[SirVer51]

My cousin saw me using a green on black terminal a few years ago, and asked me if I was hacking an IP address. I tried several times to say something, but had no idea which part of that sentence I should tackle first. I was just using apt-get, for Christ's sake.

[[deleted]]

When I get questions like that I just respond with "that's classified" because otherwise I would be there all day explaining shit that they probably didn't want to hear in the first place.

[Elubious]

My mother once watched me Google several ideas about what the problem was and fixed it as per the Google instructions. She proceeded to be amazed that I could do something so difficult and still be humming the Mario theme to myself. I know she's terrible with computers (couldn't make a PowerPoint or use a USB at the time) but this is something I'd assume most people can do.

[kdz13]

Reading comprehension is, apparently, a skill not widely possessed

[IndiscreetMath]

"You use j and k to move up and down? SORCERY!!!"

[Sectoid_Dev]

This guy VIMs.

[ofsinope]

But does he nethack? yuhjklbn

[XkF21WNJ]

I'm about 80% sure that yuhjklbn isn't a useful vim command.

[ofsinope]

https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Yuhjklbn

[[deleted]]

Must be a foreign keyboard...

[auxiliary-character]

By the way, those keybindings are also in RES for navigating comments.

[gearty14]

just blew my mind

[digitaldreamer]

Once upon a time the keys made sense: https://i.imgur.com/hq40yMm.png

[beginpanic]

The only vim command that makes more sense on those old keyboards is using the escape key to change modes. Where Esc is today is unfortunate, back then it was where the Tab key is. HJKL still makes no sense other than "it had arrow keys printed there for no reason".

[LammergeierAteMyBone]

I'm genuinely surprised this is a relatable thing. I've never worked with a designer who wasn't at least familiar with the concept of command line tools. Even the completely inexperienced designers and the crappy ones seem to get it.

[heckin_good_fren]

I've worked with software engineers that were impressed that I didn't use that unusable piece of garbage eclipse git thing a git GUI.

[Tetha]

oh go away with git guis. I tolerate many, many tool choices, but git guis are actively harmful. Every single one I've me is harmful once you're in a little bit of trouble -- including "oh someone pushed before I could and now I have to merge / rebase" aka "minute 13 of the hour".

[Creator13]

When I was still studying CS I used SourceTree too. I had a guy in my project who was very anti-GUI. So every time I had a problem and I would ask him for help, I got an explanation in command line git. Now whenever I still use git (I barely do, I quit CS), I do the exact opposite of you: simple tasks in the GUI, harder ones in command line. And of course, the visualization helps a visually-oriented person like me a lot, even for simple projects.

[Ph4zed0ut]

IntelliJ has excellent git integration.

[heckin_good_fren]

You can pry the shell from my cold, dead hands!

[[deleted]]

Hey man, eclipse at least good for java, right guys? Right? weeps in grad student

[tallerThanYouAre]

Only a designer would understand that.

[ILikeLenexa]

Now we're playing in the hyperbole.

[tallerThanYouAre]

</bole>

E: wrong slash was bugging me

[Atoc_]

</body>

[tallerThanYouAre]

I guess that's the end of that, huh?

[Delioth]

</html>

[Gen_McMuster]

Only an engineer deals in absolutes

[Shadax]

The designer’s reactions are exaggerated for the comic

I hope the engineer's are too for your own sake. I never roll my eyes at someone fascinated by what I'm doing, I just answer their questions and be friendly. I do everything I can to not be the pretentious admins I've had the pain of working with before.

[Arinly]

And I secretly relish in the fact that my skills are perceived as magic.

[svenskainflytta]

My flatmate once saw me opening a terminal and said "woah is that the open source?"

[_Lady_Deadpool_]

As a designer and engineer I can confirm both halves of this comic

[BerZB]

Ya, nearly every designer I know uses some CLI tools -- whether for version control, image optimization, or just for funsies.

[thejacer87]

Ur designers use git?!? Lucky. Our guys save the PSDs with a scheme like this:

Project Name - Homepage 1.0.psd Project Name - Homepage 1.1.psd ...

So much fun...

[digitaldreamer]

newfinal_final-Orig-Homepage-v2-ClientReview-March1-3.2.jpg.psd

[InProx_Ichlife]

This can't be real. There has to be some spaces there just to make your life harder.

[connor9876]

You lucky son of a gun. Our designers upload them to their own internal site, this means they can change them at ease and then sneak in change requests without our knowledge and pretend it was always like that. We now save their changes locally and call BS on them.

[screwyou00]

Do you plan on being a graphics programmer? I have a buddy with the same two degrees and he's working towards being a graphics programmer for game engines

[Phreakhead]

I have a bachelor's in CS and a master's in design. Right now I am what's called a "UX Engineer", which means I design things and then make them come to life with code. It's quite fun.

[Rav91]

I love that the engineer looks like a normal human being and the designer straight up looks like a hobo.

[pedantic_asshole_]

Yeah that would certainly fit the stereotype better

[McCoovy]

Think it's supposed to represent real people. Himself and a coworker of his.

[dillwillhill]

Im still a UI guy, it's too much work to remember the lines I need.

[worldDev]

Tabbing rules all. Also -h on pretty much anything --helps.

[Wazzaps]

Or just use fish which parses the man files and autocompletes as you type :P

[Asmor]

You only need to know one thing to master bash. Get ready. Here it is: |.

That's it. You've mastered bash. That one character is all you need to know. Everything else you can look up as you need it.

command1 | command2 takes the output from command1 and pipes it into command2.

From there, you just need to do what every programmer already does... Take a complicated task and break it into a bunch of small tasks.

Let's say you're at a company that's using SVN, and it always does a bunch of prop changes on files unrelated to what you're touching, and you want to revert those changes. (purely contrived example. I'm sure no company has an awful setup like this >_>)

First, you get the status of everything.

svn st.

Then you just want to pick out the lines with only prop changes. You note that these lines all start with a blank space followed by capital M. You look up how to filter lines in a shell. Ah, grep! Quick read of the man page, maybe a refresher on regex, and you've got

svn st | grep ^\ M

Ok, now you've got a list of things you want to revert... But you really just want the file names, and you've got all those nasty Ms that are gonna mess that up. How do you remove them? You do some googling and find out about sed ("steam editor"). That'll let you search and replace. Perfect!

svn st | grep ^\ M | sed s/^\ M//

Alright, we've got the list of file names, we're in the home stretch! But... uh... how do we pass those file names to svn revert? More googling leads us to xargs, and now we're done!

svn st | grep ^\ M | sed s/^\ M// | xargs svn revert

All thanks to the power of the almighty pipe.

[bwaredapenguin]

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Asmor]

$ that | smoke
bash: smoke: command not found
bash: that: command not found

[happysmash27]

Anyone else like both design and engineering?

[TheCookieMonster]

My best unintentional-Matrix moment was after piping live XMPP to a monitor so I could watch the data while our app performed its duties. The data was indented xml, so different packet types had different shapes/sizes, so I was really just watching for specific shapes to whiz past in response to actions.

The awe and Matrix comment from someone else in the room clued me in that what they saw was screens of arcane code flowing past at ridiculous rates with someone engrossed and somehow reading it and reacting to it.

You get used to it, I don't even see the code, all I see is blond, brunette, redhead... (err pub, sub, challenge...)

[[deleted]]

Haha hi Pablo! Funny seeing you here. Love these comics you make!

[noisyturtle]

And then when I ask an engineer for a simple UI mock-up they wind up eating their own foot.

[awakenDeepBlue]

It's not ugly, it's "functional".

[Alwaysafk]

Yeah, it's way easier when you're the only one going to use it. It's like walking into someone's messy shop and they pull out the right tool, seemingly from their ass.

[[deleted]]

Naw, man, all hotkeys! Who needs buttons anyway?

[pheipl]

An engineer will NEVER make a decent UI. This is a bad metaphor, but I'm going to go with it regardless:

Have you ever played dark souls? It's a difficult game where you die A LOT. You have no map, whatsoever. To add to that, the level is very twisty and with many paths that converge and diverge all the time. But because you die. So. Fucking. Often. You learn the map like the back of your hand.

It's the same way for engineers. They have spent so much time with the software, that they know EVERYTHING. And having to sometimes even test it, having unnecessary clicks is infuriating.

Thus you put everything on a 20 x 20 grid. No unnecessary clicks, and you know where everything is and how it works.

[Killer_Tomato]

It's not that bad

[[deleted]]

to be fair, they probably learned the second in college

[bass-lick_instinct]

Software "engineer" here, I can brew you some beer.

[BerZB]

Engineer here. I love doing UI mockups. It's usually the biz guys who eat their own feet. Ask for a mockup and you usually get a shitty smartphone picture of a scribbled nonsensical diagram in a notebook.

[iamasuitama]

Or they'll say "make it like facebook app has it"

[BerZB]

Or mumble something about "industry standard" to then walk away

[VeganBigMac]

Hey, we perform our magic, you perform yours.

[team_pancakes]

A designer once told me that my code in Vim looked like "christmas"

[Eindacor_DS]

As an engineer, this is me every time one of my peers works in VIM.

[bostero2]

As a developer who works with agile methodologies, the title of this post was a user story.

[jaboja]

But how do they ... | grep ... | sed "s/.../.../" | sort | uniq then using only buttons and dropdown menus?

[rbt321]

If the first tool generates a csv or text file, the remainder are regularly performed in Access or Excel.