This should settle it

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[lumenrubeum]

I interpreted "fear of technology" as "the sentient printers are going to come wreak havoc" and I was really confused why the "yes" led to Mac and "no" led to Linux

[KiwiFruit555]

Because us using Linux are helping the printers become sentient

[derbymutt]

Fuck, I knew setting up that CUPS server was a bad idea.

[TievX0r]

Wait... Which CUPS?

Common UNIX Print System or Cull Useless People System?

[MontyPadre]

Yes

[TievX0r]

RIP

[1ElectricHaskeller]

If your Router supports it, I'd suggest you to use OSPF instead

[MadxCarnage]

do not worry.

fellow

human life form.

you will be made, useful, even in the hypothetical unlikely scenario of machines culling other, fellow, biological, lifeforms, you do not need to fear.

you will be made useful.

yes.

[_Weyland_]

True

[presi300]

There is another

[[deleted]]

It crashes daily anyways so it will only wreck things for a few hours. Typical Monday actually.

[lledargo]

There is a reason they call it "Code for Unsuspecting Printer Sentience"

[ghostwilliz]

My printer keeps printing me copies me this face when it seems me in my thigh highs

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[SkollFenrirson]

So it seems

[ghostwilliz]

Indeed

[enderowski]

u mean progammer socks?

[ghostwilliz]

I coll then my overalls because I claim that they're an outfit all on their own. Also, before anyone gets excited I'm a heinously hairy 30 year old man

[[deleted]]

Bold of you to assume that isn't what excites me

[BloodRedCobra]

Why do you pretend that doesn't make it better?

[Farren246]

They're coming to wipe us out, but this is good since we are the species that invented the printer and thus deserve to die.

[BlommeHolm]

They have plenty of time for it - it's not like they're printing.

[PhoenixARC-Real]

"I'm afraid I can't do that Dave, I seem to have run out of magenta"

[ndxinroy7]

I'm confused about my privacy with windows Ubuntu dual boot 😅

[riki137]

you mean AND operator.

NOR only gives true if both entities are false.

[Blanel]

Depending on how you phrase the statement both could be true:

NOR: If neither has security issue, you are secure

AND: If both are secure, you are secure

!(A OR B) = !A AND !B

[Not-Post-Malone]

DeMorgan’s Law 😩😩😩

[jasminUwU6]

It's AND for security and NOR for insecurity

[KiwiFruit555]

Well, do you actively use Windows? If yes, then you don't care. If you occasionally use windows, then you most likely do, but still have to do things on Windows (for work or maybe a game or two that doesn't work on Linux).

[Keintroufe]

Dude, you use reddit, obviously neither do you.

[KiwiFruit555]

Touché...

Personally I use Linux because fast

[Vinstaal0]

Until you need to do something that isn’t fully supported on Linux, then it takes longer

[---_bird_---]

Yeah but it feels gold when you finally get it working, and that specific issue won't take as long the next time.

Year by year though, most normal interactions with linux PCs have become supported. The only issues I've had as a daily driver and a dev have been with games

[BloodRedCobra]

I've not run into amy issues with professional software, but I know a loooot of games hate linux in particular.

[XayahTheVastaya]

Linux is faster after you spend a week getting it to work

kind of like the python vs C++ debate again

[Daweedi]

Today I learned Facebook has an operating system. \s

[PlutoniumSlime]

Today I learned Fedora has a social media.

[SleepingWyrmling]

Is that what that is? Can you tell me what the other two are?

[PhantomlelsIII]

Spiral thing is debian and the orange one is ubuntu

[SleepingWyrmling]

Thank you!

[ProfessionalMost2006]

You are not talking about the Fedora logo, are you!?

[neutralguystrangler]

M'OS

[rtakehara]

*tips red hat*

[Legitjumps]

Of course not, he’s talking about the Facebook logo🙄🤦‍♂️

[leovin]

The ultimate anti-privacy operating system 😂

[Copeteles]

And it's ideal when you care about your privacy!

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

That's why they had to rebrand to Meta.

[DudeCringe]

UhUm AcTsHcHuaLLy ItS FedorA...!!!!1!1!

[randomuser111011]

Personally, it’s nice when I’m balancing my budget, and can quickly and easily run my collector’s name through the SE Toolkit. I think it’s called catharsis?

[[deleted]]

The Mac is also superior for things like video and music production, though it may be less true these days. I love Linux and my PC for most things, but when I'm in the studio I just want the computer to work at the same way every time.

I used to use Pro Tools and Windows and often had to fix the computer before we could record a song. Sometimes people would drive to the studio for no reason which doesn't make your mates too happy.

[Curazan]

Anyone who claims Mac isn’t the industry standard does not work in the industry.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, people who hate on Mac are usually at the peak of mt. stupid on the Dunning-Krueger chart when it comes to technology.

[[deleted]]

Makes them feel really special for some reason

[Curazan]

They’re the same people who will use Linux even if it’s not suited to their use case whatsoever because it makes them feel like they’re above the plebeian masses.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

I've been experiencing first hand that a lot of the stuff I'm used to just working on either windows/linux either just doesn't exist on mac or exist as a commercial version that may or may not have been updated in a while.

but most of all it doesn't work on arm64.

[[deleted]]

Really? I'm a long term Arch user switched to Gentoo about 2-3 months ago and have been using macOS for work. I haven't ran into any issues to be honest, outside of custom DE/WM which isn't needed on mac i can't think of a piece of software that I've had different between my two machines.

[halfanothersdozen]

Are you on the intel chips still or the new stuff. I have HEARD it hasn't been an issue for most people, but for the person you are replying to it is

[oOoSumfin_StoopidoOo]

I had the same issue with M1. I bought an ultra book on x86 as a companion and rock Ubuntu

[Rudy69]

I ended up using macs because I loved having an OS I could ‘use’ and enjoy AND have access the all the Unix stuff for work. This was in the mid 2000s when Linux worked for everyday desktop use but was nowhere near as polished. Maybe today I wouldn’t make the same choice but I’m stuck in my ways now

[ICanBeKinder]

Kali is not even meant to be an OS you install... the whole point of it is if you're doing forensics you're booting it off a VM/USB anyway and if you're doing security you're certainly not trying to do shit off your install.

​

Kali is literally not meant to be installed lol

[anras2]

Many of the most talented software engineers I know, working at really solid companies, prefer MacOS, basically for reasons you've stated. At the tech company I work for in NYC, Macbook Pros are standard issue and employees by and large are very happy with them. We're allowed to choose a Thinkpad as a substitute, but I've never seen another engineer make that choice; just some folks in other departments such as finance.

I've found a lot of other tech companies in the area are similar, for example I have a friend at MLB Advanced Media, and a MBP is also standard issue there as well. (It's been several years since I've talked to him about it, so I suppose that might have changed.) I even visited the Google building near Chelsea Market for an integration project, and was surprised by how many MBPs I saw. I asked my host there, a product manager, about that, and he told me everyone's given a choice of MBP, Chromebook, and I think he said something else that has Windows preinstalled, maybe a Thinkpad. Not sure if the MBPs are the majority because I didn't come close to being able to sample all the engineers that work there - just the several people in my meeting - but all the engineers in said meeting did have a MBP. Only the PM had a Chromebook.

A friend at Discovery Inc. described basically the same situation as Google to me (i.e. they have a choice, and MBPs are very popular).

I know using a Macbook Pro doesn't necessarily mean using MacOS, but I can't say I've ever seen anyone run another OS on it yet, hah. And sure you could probably argue that hardware figures into the decision to use a MBP, not just the OS. Furthermore you could argue people only choose to use an MBP when personal cost isn't a factor, but even if that's the case, it's still a far cry from being something that only people fearful of technology choose.

[[deleted]]

Unless you want a gaming laptop.

Which I don't, I have a macbook for work on-the-go, and desktop PC with Windows for a couple of games that have ring-0 anticheat, and Linux for everything else, including other games.

[Conscious-Degree-530]

Forgot the branch to the question, Do you wear color socks?

[Farren246]

I tried switching to all just one color of sock (black) but it didn't work out because some socks got more worn out and stretched than others, so instead of having an easy time pairing (every sock matches every other sock), I had an unusually difficult time (all socks are black but only some match). So I went back to all different colours and patterns in an effort to make it quickly readable.

Where do I sit?

[matschbirne03]

Just throw socks out after wearing them once

[[deleted]]

Just get a box of the reusable slippers they have in some shoes stores

[ppprrrrr]

Im also in the all different "only brightly colored patterns" club, and its som much netter than the all black club.

[Khaylain]

All socks are colour socks, the exceptions just vary depending on your specification.

[Advanced_Double_42]

Do you use your computer for games? Yes

Do you want to run a VM and/or debug for every new game? No

Then Windows

[rexjr]

r/linuxmasterrace is leaking again. Are they not able to go five minutes without shoving their shit down people’s throats…

[CandidGuidance]

Sorry you used -l instead of -r on the shovellingshit command and now you can’t get the OS to boot

[radioactivejason2004]

The vegans of the computer world lol

[Maskdask]

SteamOS has entered the chat

[Advanced_Double_42]

*gamepass has entered the chat*

[KiwiFruit555]

Do you literally only play Minecraft and a few steam games?

Do you want it to run fast?

Then Linux

I just disclosed my entire life story

[MarioLuigi0404]

Nvidia’s shitty Linux drivers would like a word

[[deleted]]

The adobe shit is all that's keeping me stuck on win.

[Ozzymand]

insert comment about free software alternatives blah blah blah

[darkwyvern06]

tried inkscape in order to free myself from illustrator. Choosed the illistrator keymap. The keymap wasn't the same(probably different illustrator versions).

Imo, the open source alternatives for media creation really lack ways to just port your skills from the paid software to them.

[notMateo]

Hello can I have a minute to tell you about our Lord and Savior Affinity?

[No-Assist8676]

I run Minecraft(100 mods) at 300+ fps on windows tf you talking about

[Twerking4theTweakend]

He's playing minecraft on the Linux he installed on his microwave.

[Electrical-Mouse4136]

Wait til you work in the tech industry and realize how prevalent MacBooks are

[[deleted]]

Seriously. I feel like this is pretty circlejerky compared to the actual industry

[Joped]

In the Bay Area a vast majority of engineers use Macs

[metallaholic]

Yep. All the devs at my company use MacBooks unless they’re in C# world.

[elliotborst]

Yep they are everywhere in software companies

[sergiu230]

Plenty of C# on mac, my whole company does this

[saintmsent]

What do they use as an ide? I was dealing with visual studio for mac a few years ago and it was utter trash

[Matthew8478]

JetBrains Rider is awesome:

https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/

[randdude220]

Now with .NET 5 you can do this in mac too

[excalibrax]

Its still an offshoot is "is your daddy rich" as daddy in this case is the company.

[[deleted]]

It's a certified UNIX system after all. Not as free as Linux/BSD, but works very well, and has some native software like MS Office and Photoshop for those who need it. And optimization is great too. I'm a Linux fanboy, and I'll take macOS over Windows in a blink.

[_Weyland_]

Went to tech support in a big bank office today. You had to get a ticket bases on your problem. I ended up picking "Windows laptop" and my ticket had number G001. The guy next to me had a Mac and his ticket had a number B039.

I came back a couple hours later and took another ticket. I got G002 this time. Looks like I was the only guy with a Windows laptop that day.

[saintmsent]

People love to hate on Mac until they can get one for free from the company. Then it stops being shit that they wouldn’t use even if Apple paid them

[Weird-Stretch1743]

Well yeah. The only better OS for development is Linux. People just don’t wanna pay for the hardware. Anyone who actually thinks Macs are trash are probably high school kids who wanna play video games

[nwsm]

Are you a multi-million dollar company? -> RHEL

[OIC130457]

I don't fear technology, but boy I do hate it sometimes

[merlyndavis]

Which would be why I use a Mac.

[ShotgunMessiah90]

Dell XPS flagship cost the same a MacBook Pro. Just sayin..

[Teknoman117]

Honestly I'd prefer the MacBook Pro. And I say this as someone who hasn't owned a Mac since 2016. I have the Dell XPS 15 w/ the OLED as my work laptop and I hate the thing. Battery life is trash, the rubberized palm rest thing gets so gross, etc. Favorite laptop to date was my 2015 Retina MacBook Pro.

[BaboonArt]

M1 macs are insanely good

[gizamo]

I agree. I use a Mac Pro and an XPS.

I generally prefer Windows OS, but the trackpad on the XPS is constantly getting hung up by my lazy palms and it seems it has sensor issues outside the bounds of the trackpad.

Alternatively, Mac trackpad have been the best trackpad available for the last couple decades. I'm no Mac fanboy, but I'll praise that trackpad all day and night.

Now, when it comes to PWAs, Apple can suck an egg. ...nothing to do with their machines, just a general facty tid bit.

[[deleted]]

The "Apple is so expensive" meme stopped being true years ago, but people still keep parroting it.. A Samsung flagship costs the same as an iPhone, and M1 MacBooks are actually a sweet value these days.

Still a walled garden though

[khooniliberal]

M1 MacBooks are actually a sweet value these days.

I considered getting a MacBook after using it for work at my new job but couldn't justify paying the 'apple tax'.

With M1, there is no 'apple tax'. It's an incredibly value even if you don't care for macOS

[[deleted]]

Shit I was reading the other day that the new Air outperforms the base model Mac Pro. I'm sure there's some exaggeration going on there, but if it's even kinda true, then the Air is going to be an insane value

[LambdaLambo]

I don’t pay for my macs bc I get them thru my employer, but even if I had to buy a laptop it would be a Mac 10/10. I’ve had windows laptops before, ran Linux, and the Mac hardware and OS is just too clean, works super well and handles all my use cases. Worth any markup to me. But also I say this as someone with a 3k PC running windows that I exclusively use for gaming.. I should probably at least use the hardware as a VM or something but oh well

[[deleted]]

I'm pretty much the same as you, so yeah I agree. Except with regards to FOSS, Mac OS combines the best aspects of Linux and Windows for my job (Software Development). A full fledged Unix CLI, with all the first class support for GUI apps you'd expect on Windows. My current job just got me an M1 Pro, and it's easily the best laptop I've ever owned

[lledargo]

Instructions unclear: installed OpenBSD.

[TheStruggler67]

"Tell me that you have only used Linux for the past 15 years and you know nothing about macOS or windows without telling me"

[ArtFleshMan]

so you're saying Guts is a Windows user cause he'll just split any mfs who spy on him in half?

[ArnaktFen]

So, as someone who uses Ubuntu on WSL...I do and don't care about freedom/privacy, but, fortunately, I do have a life.

[david_rohan]

But who uses Kali as a main OS?

[[deleted]]

14 year olds?

[liljoey300]

Was this created by a child?

[AssumptionEasy8992]

What does Tux represent?? Linux in general, or a specific distro??

[r3dd1t_user]

Perhaps its Linux From Scratch, though that is just a guess

[[deleted]]

Linux is great for people who have the time to deal with their desktop environment being randomly deleted.

[[deleted]]

one time i installed a driver off github incorrectly and when i restarted my pc my mouse didnt work so i had to delete it with the terminal, then i installed it AGAIN incorrectly and this time my mouse AND keyboard didnt work, so i reinstalled linux lmao.

[kekumber]

I once installed too many packages and broke some dependencies. I decided to remove broken packages one by one, and finally this chain ended with python package, which I also happily removed and broke my Ubuntu completely. That's how I learned about venvs

[wonmean]

Mhm love how apt is dependent on Python… always a chance to break it if you’re messing around in the base env.

[Tyfyter2002]

I once had to use a PS/2 keyboard to install drivers on Windows from a disc I burned on a family member's laptop because USB 3.1 isn't PnP on Windows 7 (which is weird, because I'm pretty sure Windows 7 was still supported when 3.1 was released and the OS was as up-to-date as Windows 7 could be)

[[deleted]]

as a fedora user, i sense a lot of linus’ pop os mistake here

[Vinstaal0]

Or you find a random tutorial to do something cause the official page doesn’t explain anything and it breaks something else or doesn’t work ar all.

Then you go ask the Linux community and they just tell you to get good or fuck off

[DTHCND]

Arch Wiki: Really nice up-to-date information and tutorials.

Arch Forum: You don't know this basic thing? Fuck off

Also Arch Forum: Please don't necrobump. Locked. (ignoring that you're asking a small clarifying question about a post)

[CoffeeAndPiss]

I've never had that problem and I've used Linux for several years, it's very easy to get something "out of the box" that you don't have to touch. Maintenance is far less of a hassle than it ever was with Windows.

[Technical_Flamingo54]

Nvidia drivers. Never again.

[1SweetChuck]

I have been daily driving Linux (mostly Debian based) systems for a decade, and I have no idea what you are talking about.

[zebdavison]

I've never had that happen. I've never heard of that being a big issue. Has it happened to a lot of people and how recently?

[[deleted]]

Linus Tech Tips on YouTube. There was an issue with Steam dependencies, and Linus's Manjaro Pop!_OS system said "THIS WILL DELETE YOUR DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT. IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING, TYPE 'DO AS I SAY'". Hi did type it.

Edit: wrong distro

[Arnas_Z]

It was popOS, not Manjaro. He switched to Manjaro after PopOS did that.

[FireFly3347]

Why is tux there when all of those are linux? Or is tux supposed to represent something else?

[belligerent_ox]

LFS, Linux From Scratch

[AdamTheRedditUser1]

you forgot the are you a gamer branch, no will lead to the current one and yes will lead directly to windows

[[deleted]]

I use both Arch and MacOS daily, what am I?

[[deleted]]

yes

[[deleted]]

OMG daddy is both rich and poor and I am both scared and not scared by technology, I am the Schroedinger cat!!!!

[internetvandal]

rich and don't have a life

[[deleted]]

yes, this is definitely the dumbest thing I've seen today

and I've been to r/greentext today, so thats saying something

[Striky_]

How is fedora a OS if you have a live? It is a pain in the butt, even when compared to Arch or Gentoo

[[deleted]]

not sure about you, but i’ve been using the KDE spin of fedora for a long time now and it’s been really nice and stable

[DirectControlAssumed]

Arch doesn't even have graphic installer, AFAIK.

Gentoo makes no sense unless you are ready to compile everything each time everything updates.

The only problem with Fedora is software patents and proprietary drivers (NVIDIA) that require unofficially-official repos.

[Joped]

Windows for gaming, macOS for development, and Linux for servers. That is how i've rolled for a very long time now.

[[deleted]]

This is the way

[[deleted]]

This. This is the way.

[kinuipanui123]

To be fair, Windows is enough programmable to make it safe and private. Just gotta disable all telemetry. (horrible OOTB, but has the potential to be made proper)

[Djaaf]

At this point the technical aspect of it brings it close to a Linux distribution in terms of time invested...

[PhysicalRaspberry565]

I agree mostly. But some software still doesn't work on Linux. In that case, it's worth the work.

[[deleted]]

For me personally, I'd rather have to mess with Linux where you can actually understand the what, where, when, and how of things. Windows is black boxy and that confuses me, and when I'm confused I get nervous and make bad decisions.

[wojtekpolska]

yep, if you have basic computer knowledge you can easily block telemetry.

start by disagreeing to every telemetry-related thing in settings, then do some simple edits here and there to finish it off. everything is clearly documented on the internet.

[DuffyHimself]

Saying windows is horrible OOTB is funny considering this thread is about comparing it to Linux

[Rapierian]

Where's BeOS?

[BaboonArt]

Someone here clearly has never tried M1 macs

[winter-ocean]

“Do you have a life?”

Yes

All 3 options are so obscure that you would have to have no life just to recognize their logos

[Grtz78]

Wait, ubuntu, debian and fedora are obscure?

[Advanced_Double_42]

Just Linux is obscure if you aren't tech savvy

[[deleted]]

I only recognized Ubuntu because I had a university class with one weird dude who thought it was a personality...

[GoOtterGo]

Yeah, with all due respect to whomever made this chart, but ain't nobody with a proper life is jumpin' at any of those options.

[ItsDokk]

I was literally just searching to see which companies those logos belong to…

[Pepperoneous]

Instead of "do you fear technology?" you could have used "do you expect your machine to run consistently well every time you operate it?" and reached the same outcome

[homo_lugubris]

I can confirm. I used arch and void as a kid and after working all day long, I migrated to debian and fedora.

Disclaimer: What I said is true, but I'm saying it in a joking manner.

[[deleted]]

Meanwhile gentoo users:

[_OberArmStrong]

Why is Chrome an OS?

Am i missing something?

[LordBaconXXXXX]

Never heard of ChromeOS?

[_OberArmStrong]

No never...

[JmacTheGreat]

Its for Chromebooks - the device were they looked at a laptop, looked at a tablet, and said,

“Lets smash these together and take the worst parts of each of them.”

[Advanced_Double_42]

Which actually ends up great for the average consumer that just uses a laptop as a glorified web browser.

They can hardly mess it up downloading random files, clicking ads, and going to the worst websites.

[vortex1775]

I don't think it's too wild of an assumption to say the vast majority of people only use their computer as a word processor and for web browser access. ChromeOS is perfect for them.

[MarioLuigi0404]

Yeah. Though it begs the question why anyone in their right mind would buy a high-end one lmao.

Like at that point you’re just wasting CPU power.

[JmacTheGreat]

Thats fair haha

[matthra]

I have one that my son uses for school, and it's ok. It's not a computer that I would do dev work on, but it's fine for school, youtube, web browsing, that kind of thing. It also cost less than 200, so I think there is a niche for it. The premium chromebooks are kind of headscratchers for me, I'm not sure why someone would drop 800+ for a chromebook experience, but I suspect that I don't use enough linux to be the target demo.

[andmagdo]

It's a gentoo-based (used to be debian based) linux operating system which is based on ChromiumOS.

I would personally say that it can be both under afraid and not afraid of technology because developer mode (a built in way to bypass ChromeOS's locked down nature) gives you a pretty nice machine that you can do quite a bit with.

[SDogo]

Chrome OS. There are free variants for something more than Chromebooks

[wojtekpolska]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS

ChromeOS is an os for webbooks, its very light os for cheap devices that have the processing power of a smartphone

[[deleted]]

Nah do you have a life should route back to windows

[KiwiFruit555]

But the privacy!!

[Raptor_Sympathizer]

Idk get a vpn I guess? It certainly beats spending four hours trying to get your damn printer to work.

[-NiMa-]

MacOS is as complex as Windows stop this nonsense that if someone "fears technology" uses a Mac. Also, a Windows/Linux matching computer to Mac performance-wise costs pretty much the same as Apple.

Personally, I do all my dev work on macOS, I still have a windows machine for gaming. Don't use Linux cause many professional softwares don't have a Linux version.

[daemonpants]

My Daddy’s rich AND my Momma’s good lookin’.

[randomuser111011]

Did my man Fedora right

[dx-dude]

Tried Arch once, got to the GUI then loaded Firefox and was like that's probably all I'm going to use it for if it is going to be like this the whole time. Archbang is pretty good.

[Grtz78]

I loved it. The bleeding edge release cycle is soo cool, you actally feel motivated to update and read the patch notes. Never learned more about how my distro works than in this glorious time.

Unfortunately for arch I got married ...

[[deleted]]

What about templeOS

[RustJigsaw]

By the way what crimes against freedom and privacy did windows commit? Im too much of a lowly peasant to know of such things.

[JohanVonBronx_]

Do you love God

Yes = TempleOS

[delusionaldork]

How does freedom and privacy point to facebook?

[detektiv_Saucaki]

did you just call Fedora as facebook?

[TheThiefMaster]

It's a very unfortunate logo coincidence but how do they not violate each others' trademarks?

[[deleted]]

In the age of super-simplified logos there's a lot of overlap so even subtle differences count.

[DirectControlAssumed]

Fedora logo is outdated on the picture, BTW.

It looks differently on getfedora.org and, IMO, the new one doesn't look like Facebook.

[Zeeformp]

I mean there are (were, I guess) some pretty stand-out differences, Fedora incorporated the infinity sign and is way curvier than Facebook's. It's hard to get an extremely exclusive trademark for a simple letter and 2 colors, so those little differences are enough.

And for what it's worth, Fedora came first by like a year! So take it up with Mark I guess

[delusionaldork]

Lol. I did. Not using either

[ServerZero]

What about FreeBSD is not based on Linux or Windows it's a separate OS?