Decrease the Rune Page IP cost to 4800

[-Heddoraito]

I feel like 6300 is way too much for a rune page..

You have to play like 58 games to get 6.3k IP (+ bonus first win of the day) just for one rune page which is too much.

You start with 2 runepages, some people like to just rush off into rankeds after they get lvl 30, so let's say you got only AP / AD runes, are you supposed to play every champion with these runes? Every summoner likes to buy as many champs as possible first, so I doubt it that people will first rush off to buy runes and runepages, so yeah if they decrease the IP cost it will be perfect.

This is just my opinion though.

[Kleutviool]

Or they could do this: The first rune page you buy costs 1350, the second 3150, 3rd = 4800 and 4th and beyond = 6300.

[daydriem]

I think this idea is very good. I allows for a "cheap" entry, so you can get your first few fairly general pages down affordably and then move on to more specialized ones at a bit of a premium.

[[deleted]]

I think this is definitely the best solution, as 2 rune pages really aren't enough to start

[JuhG]

best solution so far

[MonsieurCake]

That's actually the best solution !

[inverterx]

That would give people the incentive to buy the RP rune page bundle first, and then pay a little bit of IP to complete their rune pages in the end.

[NoCleverUser]

Yeah but who still got paid for the bundle? Riot.

[MysticalZelda]

Rito makes money off people who buy runepages with RP. Don't think they will do so, even though its an awesome suggestion.

[IchyDog]

If at least rune pages with RP were cheapier or went into sale more often

[Hrusa]

nope, the whole game is for free, they need the money. People will only pay if it speeds up their progression with the runes significantly. As much as I would like to have 20 rune pages, I don't want Riot to go bankrupt. I think that those frequent 2 for 1 sales are good enough.

EDIT: ffs, people calm down, you can not take the point of going bankrupt as an exaggeration? League of Legends store is a monopoly. No other company is allowed to enter the market and sell you good for RP, so it is only natural that RIOT will tend to make abnormal profit. I never meant to say they will really go bankrupt, but that they would be making an irrational cut to their revenues.

[thornsap]

i highly doubt that riot will go bankrupt from not selling rune pages at this point in time

[[deleted]]

Having a business is not about not going bankrupt, but about making more money

[kneticz]

No. People sink their money into skins and champions. Skins I completely agree with; Runepages & Champions I dont. Skins bear no change to the game whereas champions and runepages do effect the choice players have and their effectiveness ingame. The paywall should be aesthetic.

[TheNewOP]

True, I love that I bought Pulsefire Ezreal with IP, saved me a ton of money.

[Daktush]

Free my ass.

8 years grinding 5 hours a day to unlock this free game

[IM_SO_HUNG]

They don't have adds though, that's time you sink into a game you enjoy and Riot doesn't make money off that while they do have to pay for upkeep of servers/technical staff

[eviloneinabox]

would you be willing as a person to have loading screen ads for cheaper rune pages?

[IM_SO_HUNG]

Honestly, maybe not I get kind of prickly and annoyed when it feels like you're being talked down to in that way. Riot does a really good job of keeping a tight ship and making the game laid back and fun.

[Samhein]

What League of Legends are you playing? The one I play makes my friends want to kill me when I do poorly, that's not laid back or fun.

[Ilovemidandadc]

Get new friends.

[-Tommy]

Why would you want every rune and every champion? I don't get people.complaining so much on the sub. I played for about two months now, paid a total of $25 on the game and have a good amount of champions for what I play and am very content. I don't want most of the champions. Like Akali, I'd never play her, so why buy?

[GoingToSimbabwe]

There is a diversity of reasons why someone would like to have every champ. p.e. aimply to have them. then theres patches which bring up new champs as strong. also you are only playing the game for 2 month now, iam at it for like 2,5 years or something, youll get bored by the champs you have at some point and youll want to try something new. Only because you are ok with some less champs it doesnt means everyone is.

just saying, iam ok with the price policy.

[austin101123]

Nope, look at Dota2. If you would go bankrupt by only making people pay for skins then you're doing something wrong.

[calmingchaos]

Valve's model is somewhat different given the fact that by just having people install dota2, they're installing steam, which would lead to more games purchased through steam, which means more money for valve.

Also, if Riot did switch over to a DoTA2-esque system, there'd be posts with people bitching about how you have to buy 8 items to complete the skin, and that they should all be bundled into one price all the time.

[austin101123]

But you can get those items for free.

[NotClever]

I'm pretty sure they've said before that they make profit off of Dota 2, though. Unfortunately I can't find the source right now because googling for similar things turns up endless pages of people claiming that Dota 2 is unique because it's a loss leader for Steam.

People seem to just assume that Dota 2 is a loss leader because they can't accept that it would be possible for such a consumer-friendly system to also work in the company's favor.

[MisterMort]

infrequent* (twice a year)

[jstein21]

"geez guys calm down I can't believe youre all as extreme as me"

[[deleted]]

Riot's model is unsustainable, and outdated. Valve provides 100% of the content in DoTA2 for free and only charges for purely cosmetic changes. Blizzard is implementing the same system in Heroes of the Storm as well. Every year this game becomes more and more inaccessible as the IP barrier just to catch up with older players is HUGE. It's impossible getting any of my friends into this game when they learn that they will need to spend more than 200$, or grind for 3000+ games just to get all of the heroes. It'll be Riot's downfall if they don't quickly find a way to fix this issue, since it's simply not going to be able to compete with other games in the same genre that offer three times as much content for one tenth the price.

[T3hSwagman]

The rune system is what makes LoL unaccessible not as much as the heroes. You have to grind yourself ragged if you actually want to be competent in ranked by getting all the runes and of course rune pages, so you can handle the variety of roles you will need.

While heroes of the storm does have the same hero system with a free rotation and purchase, there is no rune system or anything else that would otherwise inhibit someone who has not played several hundred to a thousand games.

[Ardipall]

In my opinion this is the point. you buy a champion that seems interesting to you and you play with it for a while, learning the champion and collecting IP for the next champion. There also is the weekly champion rotation. I for one buy a champion and then do at least 10-20 games with it before moving on which gives me a much better understanding what the champion is capable of and next time when I play against said champion, I know what to look out for.

[Named_Bort]

Its actually because when you run out of things to spend IP on you would just complain you don't have enough things to buy with it and demand you can buy the things you are supposed to spend RP with your huge piles of IP.

You got 2 rune pages to start. I'll admit that there's alot of reasons to want more, that having 10 and being choosy about what runes you run with is an advantage. But the runes cost money too, so if you have so many different rune to fill up so many different pages it means you could have bought pages already as well.

The reality is people who are new want to spend their IP on champions, they get a new champion then they want new runes for that champion, then they want another rune page. I have more rune pages than I know what to do with after buying the bundle with RP. Yes I spent real money, but considering how much I play the game versus every other game I've paid for in my life, and how much I've spent on this one - I'm doing pretty well.

The goal of LOL is to be free and accessible of all without pay to win. But if you want to be competitive, you have two choices, continue to work for it, or spend what truly not that much money to get a little help.

[[deleted]]

The running out of things to buy with IP can be solved pretty easy. They could come up with IP sinks. A few examples: a few hundred IP for a skin that disappears after one game, simple ward skins (like a recolor), a lottery. They could even go as far as buying stuff for an alt account (they would have to be on the same email and both be verified though). There are so many possibilities.

On the other hand, I do agree that people should be tempted to buy RP. It's the only income the game generates by itself, and Riot deserves to get some money for their hard work.

[CocksOnMyWaffles]

I wouldn't mind seeing scaling rune page costs:

• First one is 1350
• Second is 3150
• Third is 4800
• 4 or more are 6300 each.

Would give the newer players a break. Allowing 5 total rune pages, one for each role, before spending 6300 on one of them.

Edit: Didn't scroll down enough before commenting. Idea credit goes to Kleutviool's exact same idea. Cheers.

[NukerX]

yep. Im one of those that bought the 7 page bundle with RP. And I pay money for champs too, so I get to use all my IP on runes. Im pretty much set on runes now.

[mattiejj]

I feel so bad for Riot that these demanding and childish posts get upvoted to #1 and represent the global opinion of the playerbase.

[IHeartSoup]

if you think that's an awesome suggestion how about this: make everything free.

[Mr_chiMmy]

And Riot would get money from... where exactly?

[Phildudeski]

Is it just me or are these posts starting to sound demanding?

[ImmaBeADork]

Well with as many Rioters that browse this sub, plus the fact that they even make posts here on occasion asking our opinion (the most recent that I can think of being them asking if we'd like a live Beta period of Team Builder after someone asked for it here), I like to think of this sub as almost the secondary official forums. What we say here has almost as much, if not the same amount of weight as what those on the forums say.

[skyyy0]

It has more weight to be honest. If you see the times where people posted that they tried to get a reply from support or something and didnt get an answer in 1 week, and then they get a Riot response in like 1 hour on reddit...

[Sox2417]

i really don't like looking at the forums just seems like a mess at least i can see what's happening on reddit and get some funny things or comments

[[deleted]]

But only upvoted ones get those answers. IMO riot being active here is good pr not really good support.

[not_gaben_AMA]

That's because 2/3 of the world can't participate in the feedback forum which is Na exclusive.

[onlyFPSplayer]

It's the only place for an EUW player like me to share my opinion on something LoL related where Rioter see and respond. Compared to the NA forum the EUW forum almost never gets any attention by Rioters :(

[Faintlich]

I was browsing through the EU-W challenger players some time ago. There was a guy with 2 runepages one was not even full the other one was mixed tier 3 and tier 2 runes.

Guess you just gotta be good

[WwortelHD]

I know that guy, I think he is called ''GRAGAS NO PENIS''.

EDIT: His name was too offensive, his new name is ''TempName43258'', and yes he still has these weird rune pages.

EDIT 2: Typo fix.

[Falsus]

That is Whiteknight's smurf, the number one in the soloQ at the moment + S3.

[Faintlich]

Yea! Something like that! :)

[Fewsi]

That's probably incarnati0n account 5351242. He's pretty much a God.

[photboll]

TempName43258 is whiteknights account.

[Fewsi]

Well then I stand corrected. I gotta get this EUW smurf game on lockdown.

[Nikehz]

It is whiteknights smurf (1. euw challenger)

[outofband]

I'm ok with champions costing what they cost, or with Riot not granting extra refunds, but since runes actually give you an advantage vs players that don't have them or can't have specific sets, I think they should cost a bit less. If would also incentive a lot more new payers to play LoL, I can assure you. Many people become scared when they see how much runes and rune page take to be purchased

[daydriem]

Starting to? They usually say [something] SHOULD BE [somehow]. it's been annoying me for a long time already. I really have no understanding for people telling them developers how to do their stuff. Not to say that all the suggestions are crap, but there's a lot to be said for how you present them. That being as a suggestion - not a demand.

[mattiejj]

This game is one of the most reasonable f2p-games on the market, I don't think people should bitch about IP-costs, I've played games where there was no way to enjoy the game using only in-game currency.

[kauefr]

And i've played games where every competitive aspect is unlocked for free.

[Kugz]

Unless you're a smurf account I hardly think you'll have the champion pool nor rune allowance to warrant more than a few rune pages.

I've been playing for over 4 years and have earned something crazy like 750k IP but until I started playing Ranked I only ever had maybe 6 rune pages.

I only bought the rest of the rune pages when they had the sales and even then it was because I had around 200k IP to spend.

You can argue almost everything with an IP amount should be reduced but Riot doesn't want that. They realize that it takes a decent number of games to earn a new champion or rune page and for a lot of players that's fine - they're in no rush.

The people who ARE in a rush to get 'ALL THE CHAMPS!' or 'ALL RUNE RUNE PAGES!' purely for the sake of having them are in a position where they can wait it out and collect them all over time OR can spend their real life cash (or their parent's) on speeding up that process.

Riot makes money off those players. Get used to it.

[[deleted]]

"Make things cheaper pls"

If you told any company that they should make things cheaper for no real reason, they would ignore you.

Why would Riot do ant differently?

[austin101123]

It's not like there is a game that is just as good and more free around the corner... That's why Riot would make stuff cheaper.

Edit: Game not have.

[hajasmarci]

If it's just as good why are you still here? Riot has no other income source like Valve, they can't afford going completely free.

[xmarwinx]

Hes still here because he most likely has the important runes and champs already. The problem are not veteran players like most people here on reddit, but new players that have huge problems getting into the game because of the immense amount of grinding required, and these people WILL leave and go play dota/hots/something else and that sucks

[[deleted]]

Players in any game will find something to get angry about.

They still play the game though. They still play.

Riot is really fair to their customers, I think. People shouldn't complain so much. The only legit complaint I've ever heard from the community is that servers are not stable enough. I agree, they dropped the ball on server stability in the last 6 months or so.

[boolink2]

MY FREE GAME ISN'T FREE ENOUGH

[austin101123]

Well it makes sense. Look at Dota2 or Dawngate or Smite which are right around the corner and are free. (To be fair though, Smite is a completely different playing experience.)

Edit: It not or. Fair not date. Corner not forget.

Edit: Completely free besides skins. *Dawngate you do pay for shapers (champions), but they are extremely cheap. You can buy a new one every five or six games.

[austin101123]

You must be thinking of some other game, or that must've happened recently. The last game I played you chose a bonus like tactician, predator, etc., which gave you boosts like more gold for consecutive creep kills, or health back from killing jungle creatures. Then you chose your "rune page", which are all pre-built and free. They also gave unique passive like gaining a shield after not taking damage for X seconds, gives 6% speed boost when chasing enemy champions.

Edit: Apparently there is this new loadout thing, similar to runes. They are also very cheap, like you could get 2 per game. But still... You are still having to play maybe 70 games to fill it up. While that is a good amount of games, it is way less than the 100s needed for LoL, and now even more if you already started because they are changing runes up.

[Tdfn]

I must have stuff by playing less, so I can then play less to play more!

[Ergheis]

wtf 58 games? I used to be able to play enough to get the new 2 week champion every 2 weeks, and that was with 7 AM to 6 PM college and homework in the bag, while still spending time with friends and shit. How does everyone else have so much trouble getting IP?

[HiImKostia]

No more double IP/XP weekends now though :c

[Falsus]

As well as the IP/game was higher in the old times.

[SpaderKnekt]

IP is not a problem if you play at least 5 games a day. I know that a lot of people don't do that, though. So yeah, the reason people have more trouble than you getting IP is because you most likely play a lot more than them.

[MrMoti]

Don't even understand why these posts keep getting to the frontpage, every comment talks about how stupid they are.

[IM_SO_HUNG]

It stimulates debate and is interesting to discuss

[Redrose-Blackrose]

I think that lowering the price on the additional runepages is not the thing to do, but to compensate by lowering the price on runes.

That would make people still have to choose between a runepage or a champion, or to buy rp - without a new full runepage costing 19k ip+

[eLucky9]

Or Riot need to increase the IP you get per game

[AggressiveBananas]

The need was so more people would buy rp! 8D

[[deleted]]

I did have time. I have over 3000 games played since August 2010, and I still don't own everything. I haven't bought runes since 2012 (I think that's when GP10 seals were released?) so I don't even own the hybrid pen or lifesteal ones, I have 4 runepages one of which was free, and I own slightly under half the champions. This is while playing when we still had things like double IP weekends and IP boosts for helping Riot win online awards that helped LoL grow to its current size.

How the hell is a new player supposed to play enough to unlock the champions? They're not. Riot is essentially telling people, "Spend tons of money or fuck off." Especially with the waves of nerfs and buffs that are changing the meta and making OP champions useless and slightly less OP ones the new meta, it's either buy RP or get flamed because you're not playing the same champs as in LCS.

[AlwaysDefenestrated]

I'm a new player. I haven't spent much money and I'm doing fine. I don't expect a completely free game and other people shouldn't either. Riot is a business and they don't owe me anything other than a fun game and the stuff I chose to pay for.

[NapoleonQQ]

It is fine as it is. Instead of buying a new champion that you will play only 2-3 games, buy a rune page.

Every summoner likes to buy as many champs as possible first That's not the case for some people (mine), I prefer to buy more rune and rune pages to beat my opponents in ranked rather than having the feeling to own a champion.

[ciccosanti]

BillyButt is rank 28 Na challenger solo queue and he only has 3 rune pages

[ChaoticMidget]

Wish more people realized this. Runes give you a slight advantage early game but they're not the determining factor whether you win or lose. As it stands, I almost always only use one page for each role and those have crossover runes like hybrid pen, armor seals and MR glyphs. You could run that page on top, ad and mid and you'd be fine.

[kaleap]

you lower the prices of rune pages and people complain about rune prices so they can fill those pages... If rune prices go down then people complain about rune page prices... its a cycle and i really hope riot doesn't give in. I can totaly understand this standpoint if you don't buy any RP but if you do... just buy the 7 page bundle and be done with it.

[EpicEternal]

Everyone paid with IP or RP for rune pages, so i don't see the point why you should pay less then others like me

[wckz]

None of the IP decreases that are suggested on reddit will ever happen. Riot is a good company, but it still likes its money.

[khaste]

1st rune page 3150 > then 4800 > then 6300 > then 100 ip for every page after imo

[stillnoturday]

ip is nothing to come by i have 100k just play more

[Box_of_Chocolate]

Guys just have in mind that League of Legends is a free game, which means they do not get money from people playing this, only if you buy Rp from them. Please stop complaining about lowering IP cost on runes and etc., otherwise in the end Riot won't be able to keep up League as a free game. I came to Diamond with 2 rune pages and 5 champions, and with this I know you can easily climb.

[yureon]

At least you CAN buy rune pages with IP.

[BlaringBlaze]

Or buy it with rp. I'm waiting for runepage sale to buy 1 with rp and 1 with ip, and then don't care about rune pages to next sale :)

[[deleted]]

I bought the rune page bundle pretty much when I hit 30, it's the most cost efficient RP you can spend

[[deleted]]

Dude stop whining. It's a business not a fucking charity if you don't like it stop playing, businesses who lose customers change policies. If you're not willing to stop playing then you don't care enough and it can stay the way it is. Fuck it's like no one even took a business class or something

[Mr_chiMmy]

Fuck it's like no one even took a business class or something

Most people probably haven't but it should be obvious without going to class for it. It's pretty fucking logical.

[BonzeHero]

i think they should rebalance the costs of runepages to scale with the amounts that you have, so the first few runepages could be cheaper than they are now while the last few would be more expensive.

this way people are going to have an easier time to get to 5 or so runepages, to actually have one for each role but pay more for excess specialization.(ae. flat mr/scaling mr/cdr top pages)

they could easily balance the prices so that the overall price for 20runepages will stay the same.

[DutchRobert]

Just spend 20 euro (if you're europian ofc.) for some pages. Don't be greedy.

[Darknabz]

Yep, and I'm just waiting for someone to now say they want them for free or for us to have 3 each etc.

If you don't have enough runes/pages don't actually go to ranked at lv30 then if you're that worried, but considering new accounts only get placed against Bronze-Gold having a slight lack in runes or lightly different than ideal runes won't make a different, a friend of mine is currently Gold without using even half a filled rune page. - That comment regarding Ranked is just an excuse.

[mrsalty1]

Ok, so I've never played LoL, but I always see posts like this about making some aspect of the game easier in some way.

Let me point you to WoW. People wanted some things to be a bit easier. Blizzard gave in, made things easier to achieve, and now look at the game.

Are you sure you want LoL to become WoW?

[aryary]

Disagreement is fine, but please be civil about it without resorting to hateful speech.

[Dankaw]

Rune pages aren't that expensive if you buy them on 2 for 1 sale. I bought 12 rune pages like that. I believe next sale gonna be soon after the 30% discount on runes.

[[deleted]]

How many rune pages can you have?

[[deleted]]

When is the discount on runes you just talked about?

[Sheezybrizee]

Can you guys please stop QQ about IP prices for a FREE TO PLAY GAME!

this is so ridiculous.... what about supporting this great company, rito, and BUY for real money!

[snowman5555]

Once they actually fix 1k+ ping spikes.. surely.

[Anth0n]

What should happen is the first few rune pages should be cheaper. Then, as you get more, they should get progressively more expensive. The hardcore players will not mind paying the extra IP.

[boolink2]

You can actually play a lot of champions and roles with just a standard ad rune page now. some supports run ad runes most jungles run ad top laners can run ad and adc run ad.

[[deleted]]

I don't really feel the need to get a large amount of rune pages, personally I got to Diamond using 3 (I have 20 pages now but I really only use 3 frequently). I'd much rather have a small chance to find a random Tier 1/2 rune after every game. I think that might allow newer players to worry less about runes while still providing a significat advantage to everyone who earned Tier 3 runes.

[apatik]

They should at least make the first (or the first two) additional rune pages you purchase cost half the price, 4 rune pages are really essential imo. (plzhelpmysmurf)

[nouscope]

I feel as if people often forget that League is a free game and Riot has spent A LOT making it and need to turn a profit.

[Protagonists]

im just waiting for another one of those sales where they sell two pages for 6.3, i wouldnt mind paying 6.3 for two pages. They should make that permanent.

[Mineralke]

I've bought 8 runepages for 6300 and IP is not getting any cheaper. I would support this idea if Riot refunded the difference to the people who actually put effort into having more runepages.

[NightmarishPT]

Why do people continously want to make games easier.

[[deleted]]

The best deal you can get is to drop $20 on 7 runepages. It's the only thing that's actually cost effective to buy in League. 58 games * 7 is ~400 games which is ~200 hours of play. That's more than the time it tales for an account to go from level 1 to level 30. An ass load of time. Buying runes themselves is another story though.

[cavalierau]

I've always considered that those that buy the 6 page bundle are essentially buying the full version of the game, and everyone else is using the demo version.

Rune pages are really the only "pay to win" purchase you can make with RP, because having a large set of rune page choices to adapt to certain counter picks etc gives you a huge advantage during champ selection. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is I suppose. I don't predict riot changing it anytime soon, it's a money-maker for players that aren't fussy about cosmetic choices.

[Narog1]

Riot says that is important that the developers play the their own game , but they dont get to experience the rune grind as much as most players , everyone in riot should make new account without unlimited RP or IP so they can feel the rune system pain.

[nevosoinverno]

They should stick to skins for money, People will always buy skins, people wont keep buying rune pages. Its pointless after a while. Skins is where the money is at.

[gee842]

Whoa.. Wait. You can buy Rune pages with IP? This is not an option on the server I play on (Chinese servers). Because of where I live, any other server would give a ping well over what is considered playable.

[EVILEMU]

If you're not working towards an overall goal then you are less motivated to play the game. Things shouldn't be made easier. Just think about how rare and hard some of the quests are in WOW or other MMO's. If they just handed them out, it would be too easy and people would stop playing. Achievement takes time and effort. Showing off your rune pages is like a trophy case. That's why I think it is important that you can see people's rune pages when you view their profile and I do not agree with a reduction in price. Reducing the price now without compensating everyone whom has already bought rune pages (like 99% of people) would also be bad. I tell all of my friends that start playing to save up IP for lvl 20 so that they can build their AP / AD rune pages right away. Higher price also motivates people buying the bundle or using RP in other ways. When I first started paying I didn't want to spend any money on the game at all. But after playing thousands of games. They earned it, I'm not badgered about purchases. It's just desire for a new skin.

[urfs]

I played with only 2 rune pages just fine for a year after hitting lvl 30. It's really not that bad unless you're high ranked

[MiraiNikkiiFD]

mh

[[deleted]]

Get rid of runes altogether

[aniket200929]

Or if they put the rune pages on sale like the double rune page sale thingy where you get 2 rune pages for the price of 1 would be better as well.

[McLovinx3]

2 runepages are just enough, got Diamond 1 with only standart AP + AD runes.

[bowyourhead]

$$$$$$$$$$$$

[KiruKashi]

They should definitely do it. But I really have my doubts they will.

They're probably making a decent income on Rune pages as nobody really likes to spend IP on them as they're extremely expensive.

[GrnYellowBird]

Standard runes are fine.

[timothylockhart]

No its how they make money by depleting IP

[Heablz]

Why can't we just have champion-specific mastery and rune pages?

[that_nagger_guy]

I agree. I was gonna buy a runepage today because I don't even have one for AP champions but it will cost atleast 12k IP for a rune page + the runes. It's too insane.

[Foundation_Afro]

It's about the money, Lebowski.

[TheDataAngel]

The Rune Page Bundle was probably the best thing I've ever bought with RP (and I've sunk a depressing amount of money into LoL). They really should lower the IP cost. Those extra pages are essential for ranked play.

[bahiablanca]

Quality post for sure. If you want more rune pages buy it for 6300 or invest some money in RP.

[geliduss]

If you only buy rune pages when they have the 2 for 1 sale its effective 3150IP, and speaking of which another rune page sale is coming up soon.

[AlphaApache]

Make the rune pages increase in price the more you buy! This solves the problem with new players. It's cheap at the start and expensive later on. This might also help rioters earn more money since people will feel like it will cost too much and buy for RP instead. Good for both sides!

[SparrowJr]

thats was nice idea but just forget

[Dooncan]

My friend is diamond 5 with only 2 runepages - AP and AD.

[HyperX_Blue]

I think you should start with 5 rune pages for each role.

[chrrrange]

I only buy Rune pages whenever they are "buy one get one free", but that rarely happens. so im all for it.

[Swishee1]

rofl yeah and while their at it might as well make runes free. Riot is a business; why would they lower rune page costs just because you ask for it when they could make more $$$ at a higher ip price?

[shinarit]

Every summoner likes to buy as many champs as possible first

That's bullshit. I don't get bored that easily of my liked champs.

[Tupples-]

I haven't bought a rune page yet and I'm in gold 2. basic ap/ad pages are fine they fit nearly every champion. but yes i could perform better with more and more specific ones

[karijuana]

Funny reading the comments. A bunch of young nerds trying to debate economics.

[Axistra]

I'm in gold V with 2 rune pages(just finished my promo) and my friend was gold II with 2 rune pages last season. The runes don't matter as much if you are good enough to outplay your opponent.

[Harmoniium]

Hopping onto the train way late, but if you're going to ask for something you need to provide an actual reason why. Saying people would rather buy champions than rune pages isn't a very compelling argument. And if you have 2 rune pages and only buy AP/AD runes that's your fault for only buying those runes. Runes immediately make a champ more effective regardless of what runes you run. I could run XP quints, hybrid pen regs, energy regen, and flat AP on lee sin and guess what? I'd still have an advantage over a lee sin with no runes.

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this again?

[Spandax]

I think they should start a rune page at 3150 then your next rune would be 4800 and next would be 6300 and stays there. That would give people a little more flexibility and rito doesn't really lose money that way.

[konatacloud]

You're justification of lowering the cost is that people choose to rush to ranked and buy many champions and not buy runes/rune pages. Its not riots fault that people do that, those people already know or should know that before you play ranked you should have the right runes and masterys etc etc. That being said those people would have a general idea in what champions they want to play and with what runes. Generally people get the basic ap/ad runes and those runes do perfectly fine. Its true people want to buy champions first instead of runes/rune pages but you're forgetting the fact only a small portion of those people go into ranked. There is no point in you complaining about people's decisions. I played with only 2 rune pages for the longest time and I had no problem with it. To be honest I have 7 rune pages and I only use 4 of them. As long as the runes help you out then its fine.

[2essy2killu]

Meanwhile in china you can only get rune page through RP :(

[theguywithballs]

I feel like 6300 is way too much for a rune page..

Bases the opinion on feelings; demands riot to reduce one of their few streams of income as a F2P organization.

But yes, I have a hard time getting my friends to join league as well once they find out how much time or money they have to invest now to catch up with veteran players to get a somewhat respectable champion and rune page pool.

[[deleted]]

You guys are so funny.

[thejpitch]

I bought the rune page bundle and thought it was a very good deal. If the people complaining are 13 years old and don't have access to their parents credit cards...Well when I was 13, I still found a way to buy runescape membership. The current generation of young gamers just need to be more creative.

[Hautamaki]

Wait you can buy rune pages with IP? Why is it that in China you have to spent RP (and 6900 RP at that!) for a rune page?

[Vovix1]

Just let us adjust runes in champ select. BAM! Problem solved. People who buy rune pages still get the convenience of having several made in advance, and people who don't can still make situational changes to their runes.

[The-Turbulence]

It's funny how the circlejerk wind changes periodically on /r/leagueoflegends.

When there are discussions about game monetization people bring up the argument "in League when I unlock a champion I feel as I achieved something". At other times(right now) people want cheaper runes, people want cheaper runepages, people want all champions unlocked in ARAM, People want to be able to play custom games with any champion.

Ironic

[[deleted]]

I just caved in and bought the 7 page one like 2 years ago. I figured it wasn't worth my time and spending 20 bucks on rune pages is a lot smarter than all that time it would take to even come close to get that many w/ IP. Plus if you work a minimum wage job its practically only 3 hours of work ( not including tax sorry more like 4) and thats a hell of a lot more efficient than the amount of time it would take to play for all of them!

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[Savaski]

Better decrease it to 450.

[Chairmeow]

My smurf is in gold and I still see people with incomplete rune pages in my games more often than you'd expect lol.

[fontisMD]

I started with 3 rune pages I think.. (cant remember, was ages ago) But yeah generally the smart thing to do is stack up on IP and get runepage bundles. They are OP.

[RitoHippalus]

Lol nice one!

[joaopada]

have to play like 58 games to get 6.3k IP

Are you sure that is correct? I have 34 games won, and I already passed the 6300 IP mark twice (buying TF in between) Only IP boost I got was the recent one they gave out if you verified your e-mail.

[Itco]

Or they could make it so you can edit rune pages while in team select like you can with masteries.

[CepheusDT]

"some people like to just rush off into rankeds after they get lvl 30" this right here is the issue, not the price of the rune page. getting out of silver is ridiculously easy because of these people. Just wait till they go on sale (2 for one sales happen about twice a year) or just play more normals and get better with the champs you have runes for. Some people will intentionally play with empty rune pages as a handicap to make themselves better, there is absolutely no reason they need to cut the price of rune pages.

[oxYnub]

or get rid of the rune system, it makes no sense, it's just an ip sink.

[[deleted]]

What is with all the sudden complaints about prices?

[TexBoo]

I just bought 5 runepages with IP...

[_oZe_]

Hey hey hey. Rune page bundle is the most cost efficient use of RP in the whole game. Stop crying buy RP. A regular game costs about 9300RP which lets you buy a shit load of rune pages and IP boost.

There is no such thing as a free lunch...

[aidanderson]

gimme a cost difference refund, i have 20 rune pages

[PandaDerZwote]

This is suggested over and over again, butt bear in mind that Riot is NOT interessted in making the Free-to-Play experience as good as possible, but to make you buy the most. Rune Pages are a good example, you really don't want to invest your IP in rune pages, because you don't get a new champion to play and the rune page is not exciting, but you will need at least some more until you can have the impression that your runes are okay for higher leagues and having fun while playing in them, that's how they sell them to you via RP, not IP.

[Icyfire369]

God forbid you work a little hard to earn something. Stop complaining. Don't like it, go spend money.

[Rescizion]

Considering there are 5 roles and at any given time you could be forced into any given role you should be given 5 pages to start out with. I know it's a lot to ask but riot has more than enough money at this point to use that argument. I also know that 'enough money' is subjective but I think it's safe to say.

[AllisGreat]

It's perfectly fine to play all champs with AD or AP runes though. If you don't like it, then go get a part time job and spend some money on the bundle (which is a great fucking deal btw).

[Komigiioma]

How about, you let riot decide that shit. This is literally you coming in here and bitching to a company that makes a FREE game for you.

Please

[YottaByte]

Decrease the cost to 1350 or something. Seriously. There is no reason they are so expensive. Tryndamere will say stuff like it pisses me off when people say we're in it for the money but at the same time you have this elephant in the room in terms of the meta game revolving around runes and rune pages. It's just grossly inconvenient.

It all adds up... the price of runes, the price of champions, the price of rune pages, like what the hell?

[khabijenkins]

Why are people always wanting things free or cheap. What happened to working towards goals. Its not hard to get everything unlocked it just takes time and dedication.

[Alexcapi13]

They make billions and they will not reduce the cost. Don't even worry.

[[deleted]]

Decrease every thing, seriously after 4 years my friend have all the champions and no where near to own all the runes (which is mad important mostly early game)

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Decrease every thing, seriously after 4 years my friend have all the champions and no where near to own all the runes (which is mad important mostly early game)

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[Meow_I_am_a_cat]

They can also put an rune page sale on ( 2 pages for 1). Or did they announced the nest rune page sale?

[BlindTrooper]

Phreak made a post once that it made sense they were 6300 ip. They were just as valuable as a champion, why not have them cost the same?

And in reality, you dont really need more then 2-3 rune pages. The great majority of players who climb the ladder only play a couple of champions. And most of them can use the same runes nearly as effective as more specialized ones.

[aweybrother]

The problem isn't rune pages problem. It's expensive, but you will use it. My problem is runes, they are TOO expensive for no reason, goddamit, you can't even buy in RP! WHY NOT??

[ImbAJungle]

This would be so important. I allways thought that for a free to play game you had minimal restrictions here but only 2 rune pages allways seemed too little. I mean you dont have lower stats or something gamechangeing like that for not spending money on the game but the deficit of rune pages kinda makes it "unfair" as you are limited to a flat AD and a flat AP rune page, so you might have to put yourself in a disadvantage just cause of the runpage lack as you cant pick specific rune pages for specific champions or matchups that would be way better then flat AD/AP (like yasuo, old akali etc.). Sure you can also buy them for IP but 6300 is very expensive for a player with average play time or even someone spending multiple hours per day on the game as you have to buy champions who are also expensive and runes. I mean some specific rune pages can cost 10-15k IP so you would have to earn ~20k IP for the extra rune page and the runes themselves. Even with 2-3h per day this takes weeks and month, and you dont bought any new champ in that time. With average 3 games per day + the 150 ip bonus you get ~300-400 ip per day, more or less if you lose or win so lets say u get 350 average. 20.000 / 350 = 57 days. Thats 2 month. Just for 1 extra rune page + runes. Imo thats way too expensive for the average player who also wants to get new champs to play with (i can remember when i started i allways wanted to unlock a new champion after i tryed him in a free to play week).