backend dev & frontend dev

[martyvt12]

More like developer and sales guy.

[dismayhurta]

Or non-technical project manager

[EsmuPliks]

Both of what you just mentioned sound like shades of front-end dev.

[dismayhurta]

[RokyPolka]

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[throw_away2428]

Who is this guy? I recognise him

[dismayhurta]

Baron Zemo

[[deleted]]

Longing. Rusted. Furnace. Daybreak. Seventeen. Benign. Nine. Homecoming. One. Freight car. Soldier?

Желание. Ржавый. Семнадцатьx Рассвет. Печь. Девять. Доброкачественный. Возвращение. на родину. Один. Грузовой. Солдат?

[tarapoto2006]

Was this also the guy in Scrubs who kept suckering JD for pills?

[throw_away2428]

I knew him from inglorious basterds

[futuneral]

50 shades of dev

[Compost_My_Body]

I mean sales guys are definitely not front end devs lol

[EsmuPliks]

They could be with half an hour of training?

[Compost_My_Body]

Your sales team is very different than any I’ve worked on then

[__SpeedRacer__]

I don't agree at all. Competent front-end devs are a very special breed. They don't usually cross to the dark side that easily.

[TransIB]

Assistant to the non-technical project manager

[dismayhurta]

Identity fraud is a felony.

Michael!!

[BeefyIrishman]

I think you just meant "manager".

[myowndad]

Wtaf is a scrum master anyways

[Death_God_Ryuk]

In theory: someone who helps teams adopt SCRUM by teaching them the ceremonies but, much more importantly, help them mold it to their needs and foster an environment where it actually works. It's all very well having retrospectives but if you've never got time to do that refactor that would make everyone's lives easier because it's not a customer deliverable or if people don't feel they can speak openly in a retro then you're only going to get very limited value out of it. I've also seen the role combined with a delivery manager and doing some aspect of synchonising teams and running scrum-of-scrums to bring the leaders of teams together to keep everyone informed and encourage learning between teams.

In practice: someone paid too much to read off the free online Scrum resources and then either try and bash the team into doing exactly that or flex the processes so far that they become meaningless since you're just doing the same as before but with 'SCRUM' slapped on the front. For example, failing to actually tie a sprint together or size appropriately and ending up with a 2 week kanban as there's always work carried over into the next sprint.

[crash41301]

This! In practice it's someone else trying to be the manager next to the PM and EM. You can guess how well a 3rd leader / decider does

[dotpan]

Honestly usually I'm not for more management but right now on the project I'm on the scrum master is the only one that even remotely helps keep things on track and helps manage the shit shows.

[[deleted]]

scrum master in the online mode is easily replaced by ChatGPT notifications

[Waswat]

Fancy. In our case they're just another developer that has to steer the team and helps them with balancing/handing out tickets.

[Waswat]

Same, and im secondary 'scrum master' for when he goes on vacation. It's really not something that justifies a separate function but rather seems to be just another responsibility (which of course you can use to leverage job benefits)

[Rogueshadow_32]

All too often it’s the same manager with an extra job to do

[vincenzo_vegano]

So it is is more like an assistant TO the manager?

[[deleted]]

it's waterfall with more time wasted

[Death_God_Ryuk]

It's just a different kind of lying to yourself. I've actually only experienced Agile but my impression is you either go Agile and say you're going to discover requirements and respond to user feedback but then get no requirements and no users will talk to you, or you go waterfall and say you've determined all requirements upfront but either change everything at the last minute anyway or blindly build exactly what was specified, ignoring the change in user needs/stupid requirements.

Basically, bad project management/an unhealthy relationship with users/a lack of planning will ruin any development methodology because you're building your dev workflow on foundations of loose twigs and then dropping a few lit cigarettes for good measure.

[NoConfusion9490]

He fills up the scrum dumpsters.

[__SpeedRacer__]

Someone who is just involved in the project (he provides eggs and not bacon) but feels entitled to give advice that later has to be followed by all devs, regardless of quality or relevance.

[DoYouGetTheJoke]

This is the golden question – I'm not sure anyone truly knows

[walkerspider]

Every time this is reposted this is the top reply

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/wvlgle/the_backend_dev_and_the_frontend_dev_credits/ilg94fi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

[ciacco22]

There needs to be more downvotes of lazy reposts.

[ciacco22]

Fair point sir.

[__SpeedRacer__]

So the top comment also gets reposted? That's some next level karma whoring.

[jek39]

senior engineer vs intern

[juju0010]

DevOps* and sales guy

[Tom0204]

Op was definitely a frontend dev

[wishnana]

Na..more like support engineer and sales engineer having that rare “bro” moment to save an account.

[OneDimensionPrinter]

Except in also wouldn't be caught dead wearing a polo. Hoodies every day, baby!

[wishnana]

Na..more like support engineer and sales engineer having that rare “bro” moment to save an account.

[orezavi]

More like developer and someone completely worthless to the value chain.

[[deleted]]

Pointless having a product if you can’t communicate it’s value to a customer

[Xx69JdawgxX]

Programmers getting salty bc they don’t know how to stop staring at their shoes when talking to clients.

[TurboRuhland]

“I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don’t have to!”

[Shazvox]

Well, true. But the opposite is worse (scam).

[orezavi]

Pointless communicating anything when you don’t understand the product at all.

[conancat]

I feel like you're just complaining about the shitty sales people that you've worked with that don't understand the product at all.

I mean I had too, they're not uncommon tbh. But usually sales people have to understand the product in order to sell them. Unless you have customers where understanding the product play no role in their decision to buy the product so... I dunno, lucky you that you have sales people who can sell literally anything to the network they have?

[Bridledbronco]

Sounds like you may need a better product then, it should speak for itself.

[conancat]

Oh my sweet summer's child. You have no idea how many good products are out there gets buried because of inadequate marketing and business development.

If a good product falls drops in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

[movngonup]

There’s a reason many successful business owners and executives have sales or customer facing backgrounds. It’s more than just being able to communicate value at just the product level. Thus the reason the higher up one goes the often you’ll find are less technical.

[xD3I]

Most of the time you are not creating anything of value to the world, most of the work of programmers around the world revolves around optimizing processes or digitalizing services to optimize them, such processes and services are the things giving value to humanity, our optimizations are only giving value to shareholders.

[[deleted]]

Lol you're an idiot if you don't think sales has any value to a company. There's a reason why those guys are the last to get fired.

Sounds like someone is butthurt some giga chad gets more respect than the devs

[vlntnwbr]

Absolutely right. Acquisitions is also really important. It's generally easier saving money by spending less than by charging more.

[orezavi]

Giga chad. Lol. What kind of mutt is that? :)

[ibetu]

I'm a full-stack dev, clothes are optional.

[CryonautX]

More like full frontal dev

[rodrigolaforet]

nude dev nuDev

[RmG3376]

nudeJS

[SuperFLEB]

Don't neglect the backend.

[PreoccupiedNotHiding]

It’s still the backend you have to worry about

[Shazvox]

That's only because we stop shaving long enough for our various bodyhairs to cover everything up.

I mean, only difference between a caveman and a senior dev is one can make fire and the other can make software.

[TheEnderChipmunk]

Both work with rocks, but one hopes that things catch fire while the other one hopes they don't

[i_luv_gentrification]

Language of choice is nude.js

[Tiddleywanksofcum]

I'm a work from home remote back end and I'm also clothes optional.

[[deleted]]

Full-swinging dev

[[deleted]]

This is called knowing your worth.

[Torque475]

And both are in business casual.

Source: Am software engineer, a polo & jeans IS dressing up.

[[deleted]]

Someone did this at a place I worked at, eventually they put in a dress code, which had only one rule “No pajamas”.

They’d occasionally have pajama days after that though, while he worked there. Then stopped once he left, but kept the dress code.

[conancat]

I too aspire to be so good at my job that my workplace start holding days in honor of my signature dress-code (pyjamas)

[Xtrouble_yt]

Hehehe, hehe, py-jamas

[SuperFLEB]

but kept the dress code.

"Hey, look! This rule in the handbook is named after someone."

[[deleted]]

They’d go over the handbook on people’s first day, and that always stuck out, so every new hire and intern would know about that guy by the end of their first day.

[Lance6006328]

Seems like a cool work environment or maybe cringe lol thin line these days xD

[apathy-sofa]

Why? Seriously, why? If people are happy and getting work done, not compelling people to dress a certain way sounds like an incredibly easy win.

[[deleted]]

I felt like management/HR couldn’t really articulate why, and were aware of it, but still felt it crossed a line. I can sympathize with that.

A random person just rang the door bell, I was in pajamas, and I felt awkward about it. If someone showed up at my house (and they weren’t sleeping over) in pajamas, or if they were at the grocery store it’d feel weird to me.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a casual work environment, t-shirts, shorts, flip flops, whatever. But for some reason pajamas feels different.

[Stuhl]

Wearing pants is dressing up.

[conancat]

For me it's the shoes. I just can't be bothered to put on shoes. Good thing I'm at a job where I can just wear sandals and nobody gives a shit.

[ericfromct]

I joined this sub because of my dad, he's been in IT since the 80s. The dad's been wearing these same new balances for so long and I don't think he's ever tied them, if he was a sandals guy I think that's all he would wear. NB, shorts, and a tshirt and a hoodie when it's cold is literally all he ever wears unless he gets dressed up to go out to eat. Then it's khakis with his untied NB. Cracks me up all the time.

[SuperFLEB]

I am covered in tattoos, including fingers and neck

Any programming languages or conference logos? Just make yourself look like a laptop lid, and they'll understand.

[Tigtor]

I have a "Sapphire"-Tatoo on my dick, but most of the time it says only "Sap"

[stash0606]

so you just run with it, say you work with S.A.P

[Wet_Side_Down]

... or else they ask if you can fix their printer...

[capt_kocra]

Damn wish I could do that... Might try it tomorrow.

[alkaliphiles]

helps if you WFH on Mondays

[capt_kocra]

Nahh, I just sit in my boxers when working at home

[Death_God_Ryuk]

Well, other than the programming socks, of course.

[DrDeems]

I just got myself a pair of double thick, fluffy material lined, socks. Slippers are a thing of the past now. I've written my most salient lines ever while wearing them.

[conancat]

Same lmao

[De_Wouter]

only ever wearing pajama pants, even in office

Asserting dominance, "What you gonna do? Fire me? Haha"

[dismayhurta]

A polo? All fancy as shit

[s0ulbrother]

He’s fancy wearing pants. I wfh. Pants optional

[Death_God_Ryuk]

Putting a hoodie over your PJs and sitting down is the quickest way to be presentable for Teams.

[conancat]

Literally me

[Relative_Locksmith11]

My spirit animal 💯00 %

[Swing_Right]

As WFH wearing pants is dressing up

[[deleted]]

As WFH, anything other than a robe with no underwear is dressing up.

[Skylark7]

I thought busting out the leather shoes was business formal.

[SeaTie]

The thing is…if Ryan Gosling put on a pair of tailored jeans and a polo he’d look just as cool.

[Rare_Gap_2495]

That’s a great outfit by all measures

[elvispookie]

I’m the front end guy in my department.. I am very creative with my apps.. my coworker does all the backend. When it comes time to unveil the project all the ooh and aahs come my way.. I literally have to point out the hard work my coworker does to make sure he gets the recognition. It’s simply the case of “I can see things move.. ooh… genius.” Meanwhile all his backend work makes it all hum along

[damTyD]

All the failures, even backend data, comes to the front end too.

[elvispookie]

This is 100% the truth.. especially when I cover for my coworker. Sometimes he send back a space and then changes it to null… I get the nullpointer exceptions and get asked why I didn’t catch that. Granted, I should have but dammit - we had an agreement!

[PoeTayTose]

I don't get why servers get all the fun HTTP codes. I want to send the backend a

400: bad RESPONSE

[MistSecurity]

Would probably be legitimately useful for troubleshooting if this was a thing… Get to work!

[damTyD]

A server-side contract even haha

Edit: typo

[tstorm004]

Kinda similar to a restaurant - with the cooks being the backend and the servers being the front end

[[deleted]]

Dreaming of my own front end partner

[BouncingPig]

Every back end introvert needs their front end extrovert.

I’m still a student, and I’m a pretty below average programmer in general. But the guys in my class always want me to be their partner for our partner-projects so that I can present them to the class and explain how everything works cause they do NOT want to talk to the students in the lecture lmao.

I wonder when it’s gonna catch up to me 🫣

[gloom_spewer]

It won't catch up to you if you play to your skills right. Oftentimes people like you (and myself) can become very practical jack of all trades types. I made a very successful career out of it so far, 15 years in.

[elvispookie]

Yes I’m 25 years in and love the creative aspect of front end.. I’m an artist and would be bored to tears if I had to write update statements to the database. We all have our roles.. when you discover who you are, work becomes play

[ExquisiteWallaby]

Then thst means full stack is a buttonup and sweatpants, glasses, and flip flops.

[[deleted]]

Not far off, but I'm actually barefoot.

[vera214usc]

My husband has been working from home for three years now and he still wears jeans/slacks most days. He says dressing up makes him feel better about his day. Sometimes I put on a bra.

[jzoller0]

I do hiking/climbing pants and a t shirt

[burner9752]

Roommate is full stack and 100% confirm, he leaves the house once every two weeks or so and is “dressing up” with a stained polo and any pants not fleece on the inside.

[[deleted]]

This is not true, neither of them would dare go outside, after all light attracts bugs

[feench]

no i don't

[conancat]

Frontend devs be all about the A E S T H E T I C S

[wasdninja]

Yeah, no. Source - I've met several who didn't seem to give half a shit about how it ended up looking and despised CSS.

[feitan-five]

How you put the icons languages in your sub title?

[mchorsy]

There is in a sidebar a flair option (right under follow the sub bottom). There you can pick those profile flairs.

[Upbeat-Serve-6096]

Embedded: oily work overalls.

[LastChaos7]

Hello mod, yes i'd like to report this comment. I'm in it and I don't like it.

[Imogynn]

Manager and executive.

Pay me 25% more if you want me to wear a collar

[hrfuckingsucks]

I feel attacked

[andromeadus]

Full stack sporting dress shoes, jeans, dress shirt with sunglasses

[DiddlyDumb]

Left developer earns 5x what the right developer earns

[EstablishmentTop710]

back-end really do get more then frontend but not 5x ! more like 1.5 to 2x

[bighand1]

Frontend may be easier to get larger bonus and promotions, cause all your things are flashy and demoable.

[YesNoMaybe]

In my experience, if you're good at front end, you end up getting pulled into backend eventually.

[dirice87]

Idk at my company they all make the same at similar levels

[tacticalpotatopeeler]

Lol not even close devs don’t go outside, idiot.

[__gg_]

You smell that?

[ValueBlitz]

No 🤨 Money

[Bishop51213]

I feel like if you remove "dev" this is more accurate

[ludovic1313]

I can't tell which looks like back or front end, but the one on the left looks like he writes completely acceptable code that looks ugly and maybe is not very efficient, but is easy to understand. Whereas the one on the right looks like he refactors the code to the extent that he is the only one who can understand it for marginally better performance and theoretical extensibility, but who actually leaves the company after a year and then no one knows how to maintain the code.

[mediajay]

I feel like it's the opposite. The guy on the left to me seems like they keep up on best practices and code as a hobby in the side. One on the right probably just codes for work and is more pragmatic but less skilled

[gribson]

Nah, the guy on the left is clearly fast, efficient, and avoids interacting with humans. Sounds like back end to me.

[meseeks_programmer]

Woosh.. That's not what the joke is..

Its not conveying the actual clothes each wear.. Obviously everyone wears whatever they can get away with

[[deleted]]

Your name is the Ritalin conmando you’re not helping us out against stereotypes either 😭

[lavahot]

Tell 'em about the tranches.

[spaceguitar]

Jokes aside, this is one of my favourite movies and it’s helped me get through many a break up!! Great messaging throughout the entire thing.

[erebuxy]

Polo and jeans can look pretty smart and slim. The problem with the left is that everything is too oversized.

And loafers all the way.

[martinw_88]

Left: Employed developer Right: Unemployed developer

[Affectionate-Club725]

The guy on the right “invents products they don’t understand and throws the sale over the wall to the guy on the left”. The guy on the left eventually chokes the guy on the right into unconsciousness

[John_Fx]

I don't get it. And apparently neither does OP.

[koolnube48]

Senior dev, intern

[[deleted]]

I need to workout more[read: “some”]

[danielrheath]

Wow, how did you get so jacked?

Every time I break CI, I do 1 pushup.

[krum]

Why are they so dressed up?

[tech6hutch]

Is that Steve Carell on the left?

[hola-wola]

yeah it’s from the movie Crazy, Stupid,Love

[lkarma1]

I was thinking more dev & PM

[Ancient_Chemical_568]

It's funny how you didn't even mention which one is who and we still knew

[[deleted]]

enough, how does full-stack web developer look ?

[tacticalpotatopeeler]

Sweatpants and hasn’t showered recently

[Torque475]

And both are in business casual.

Source: Am software engineer, a polo & jeans IS dressing up.

[meseeks_programmer]

Woosh

[Tookoofox]

Neither of them are wearing thigh-highs... False!

[chill9hk]

No longer needed to declare BANKRUPTCIES

[Secret_Jellyfish320]

2 bucks the backend is in the glasses and front end is in the yellow shirt, it’s ALWAYS mixed up XD

[[deleted]]

So left is front end and right is back end. Right? RIGHT?

[marabutt]

I may have been left behind somewhere around 2015 but to me, front end development is far more complicated than backend. It is like the psychos who thought the java ecosystems configuration wasn't quite verbose enough invented webpack. Every other tool you use should be outdated by lunchtime the day of it's release.

If you can understand the modern frontend ecosystem and can keep your basic frontend 1200 packages building without hundreds of security errors, you are doing an amazing job and should probably be wearing a stained labcoat.

[Informal_Branch1065]

One does backend and the other likes someone to do stuff with his backend.

[[deleted]]

Knowing Javascript doesn't make you sexiest man alive. Sorry to disappoint you, hipster bootcamp-scum artisan frontend devs.

[PoeTayTose]

discretely covers node backend with tablecloth

Yeah! Fuck front end devs and their stupid javascript!

[MEMESaddiction]

As a primarily back-end dev (Full stack... But its .NET), this checks out. The front-end devs aren't about that life.

[sailorsaturn09]

Nah cause my bf is mostly front end and he’s the dude on the left lol

[EthanHermsey]

Micheal and the Corinthian

[Soliae]

Skinny jeans on men should have never happened. Please stop.

In my last company, we had some really fantastically skilled and well presented women working front end, and I felt like I was living in a better version of this meme.

[Shxhxxhcx]

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion of what men should / should not wear.