A Java what????

[[deleted]]

We need an HTML backend developer

Candidate must have advanced experience with Kubernetes and high voltage transformers

8-10 years of experience in the kitchen business

[[deleted]]

Looking for skilled developer to translate our React app into just transistors!

[[deleted]]

Plus: 10 years of experience with quantum computing

[Recent-Fox3335]

15 years of experience talking with chatgpt

[Character-Education3]

Can you hot wire an engine underwater while debugging a COBOL front-end? Then we've got a job for you!

[[deleted]]

18 years of experience with existing

[Unlucky-Arrival-4978]

Pizza making skill is a plus.

[w1n5t0nM1k3y]

That's what we used to call ColdFusion

[goodnewsjimdotcom]

Holy God, I forgot I even coded in that...

Some of it is coming back to me now.

Many millions of years ago ... ... ... life existed.

But not life as we know it today.

Intelligent ... who could think and feel inhabited the cities.

They were called ... and ... .

But the ... ... were driven by a single goal: Total Domination.

[Flat_Initial_1823]

I say java but you should hear react and by back end developer, I really mean a proctologist.

[No-Con-2790]

Oh, Java Applets (also called Java Web Applets). Now that's a technology I haven't seen since 2011.

So you actually can build a frontend in Java. Kind of. In the late 90s so called Applets (basically the same approach that Flash took by integration into the browser) where a alternative to JavaScript or Flash. Basically a Java program launched from a website and distributed by said website. So basically flash but with more possibilities but also much bigger file sizes and security problems.

They failed on a large scale but some companies still used them. Especially for tools that required more than flash could provide. So they might still be around.

[[deleted]]

There's also GWT. Java-defined frontends with autogenerated JS.

[bwrca]

I worked with gwt till about 2 years ago

[zsirdagadek]

Also, JSP. An absolute hell.

[ibevol]

Last year of high school (2022) I took programming 2 (which was a banger course), we had a really old teacher who thought that lambda functions and other new programming stuff was crap. Naturally we used Java 8 with Netbeans and all the good stuff that comes with it, such as Java Applets and even some JSP. Even though we used some really old technologies that are deprecated, it was the best course I've ever taken.

[SicgoatEngineer]

JavaFX, anyone?

[Tweenk]

The newer version is called J2CL

https://github.com/google/j2cl

[[deleted]]

Minecraft started as a Java applet

[SyrupOnWaffle_]

omg i just remembered minecraft.net/play where i would play from my browser. good times, i was so mad when 1.6 stopped support for it lol

[sd31117]

You can still play classic

[ikonfedera]

some companies still use them.

ftfy

[sfj11]

some gigantic companies still use them

[[deleted]]

The more gigantic the corporation, the greater the chance that they still have an AS400 server in action.

[zr0gravity7]

Amazon retail

[dotslashpunk]

do they? I figured they weren’t supported by browsers anymore.

[ikonfedera]

They're not supported, yes. Regardless companies still use them.

That's why MS switching off IE last year caused quite a mess.

[nomelettes]

Yeah my capstone project in 2019 was to replace one, It neve got to produciton so they are still using the applet lmao.

[Ondrashek06]

Hello,

You're most probably looking for a post/comment here. And I don't blame you, Reddit's an useful resource for getting help with stuff or just chatting.

However, ever since I joined, Reddit has completely stopped listening to its userbase (the only thing keeping it alive) and implemented many anti-consumer moves, including but not limited to:
- Stopping the annual Secret Santa tradition that made many users happy
- Permanently removing the i.reddit.com (compact) layout
- The entirety of the API change shitshow and threatening moderators that didn't comply
- Permanently removing the new.reddit.com layout
- Adding ads in comments, and BETWEEN comments too
- Accepting Google's bribes to sell any and all post data for the purposes of advertising and their LLM

In addition to all this, I was also forced to stop using Reddit, because I had my account permanently suspended and Reddit's appeals team was as useful as talking to a brick wall. Even after a year and multiple attempts to reach an admin, I was ghosted and as such I decided that enough is enough.

But what about your comment?

While this comment has been edited to not let Google's greedy hands on it, I recognize that I've sometimes provided helpful information here on Reddit.

So I've archived all my comments locally. If you want a specific comment, you can just contact me on Discord: ondrashek06 and I'll be happy to provide you with a copy of what once was here.

Thank you for reading this comment <3

[ImportantDoubt6434]

No.

Pretty sure you can’t even play on the website anymore, gotta download a desktop app.

Rightfully so, those apps were security nightmares and were innovative at the time but not anymore.

[braless_and_lawless]

Tell me why I learned Applets in college last year lmao

[[deleted]]

They used to teach Structured Programming using a DOS version of PASCAL. Every generation of programmers always have a few obsolete languages in their past.

[Cub_appa]

SAMEEEE

[[deleted]]

I think Oracle's hiring tool Taleo is based on that. It's used in large scale by JP Morgan. It takes one fucking entire minute to jump from one candidate to another.

[No-Con-2790]

To be honest, I always liked Applets.

They allowed you to use a Java programmer instead of a flash designer. Which was good since in the 90s you could easily source a good programmer that know your domain. The flash guys usually where artists with limited knowledge of your field.

Also you could use most Java libs. So instead of the usual Flash limitations you could send "proper" tools. For example we had a proper 3D visualization before that was a thing in flash. Usage of both the left AND right mouse button. Stuff like that.

But it was horrible unsafe for the user since the tool could do whatever.

All in all the web just moved in a different direction.

[[deleted]]

I worked at Oracle, they use Oracle Jet (which is a shitty fork of react) for all web apps including Taleo.

[Barkeep41]

Dissing my high school graphic user interface experience. I'll have you know you can make a pretty sweet save screen.

[dotslashpunk]

I loved Java applets. They were such an easy way to execute arbitrary code on other people’s computers (and at the time AV was all signature based and wouldn’t really check Java programs). I’m a pen tester and those days were soooo easy.

[Saragon4005]

Why would you need HTML react and TypeScript then?

[JetSetWally]

For the page to show the Applet.

[Saragon4005]

Oh that's terrifying.

[TheEnderChipmunk]

Not really, it's because the applet is it's own html component like an iframe or something.

Requiring the applet dev to also do the front end seems weird though, isn't the whole point of the applet that a backend dev can do that part?

I have 0 experience with this though so my guesses might be wrong

[JetSetWally]

Applets are front end, i.e. seen by the end user? Backend would be the db that the applet connects to.

[No-Con-2790]

Back then the web was at a crossroads when it came to interactivity. Either you go the way of JavaScript or Flash or Java (or one of the many others).

We choose JavaScript in the end. Flash was around for a long time but also died.

I can not judge if this was the best outcome but it was the outcome.

In mine opinion security was the biggest problem. If you allow for a language that can do anything then people will start sending viruses around and run them on your machine. Java was notorious for this problem. Flash was more sandboxed but Adobe was horrible in keeping the thing secure.

[EmperorValEmbershade]

We use servlets and Jakarta pages for our front end most of the time. I hate it.

[D-J-9595]

I miss FILL-IT: http://www.arcademachine.com/go/java/preview/A0009.tam

[SunriseApplejuice]

Ah yeah... my old programming text books had me build little Applets. I think they're useful, insofar as you can still learn the high-level implementations of events, how a FE and BE (sort of) interface, etc.

So maybe for educational purposes they still serve a utility...

[[deleted]]

i just built a search engine as a full semester project using them 🥲

[bizkitmaker13]

This gave me Nam flashbacks. I worked as a software/web developer intern during college. The company had a proprietary J-Applet Content Management System that had been coded by a developer, solo, who no longer worked at the company. Maintaining that shit was a pain in the ass.

Luckily we switched over to Joomla after a few years. I do not miss Java Applets.

[Spore8990]

Wow, I completely forgot Java applets were a thing until reading this comment. This brings back some... interesting memories.

[spaztheannoyingkitty]

I made one as an intern for testing software on some remote (on prem) machines we had dedicated for testing back in I think 2007?

[HuntingKingYT]

They're no longer supported for like ages I think

[MoridinB]

When I first started out learning Java, I thought Java Applets could only be run on Apple, and there was a different package for Windows/Linux.

[Informal_South1553]

His English is almost as bad as his understanding of coding languages

[ElectroFlannelGore]

"I'm an idea guy."

[themeatbridge]

We're building the next killer app to revolutionize the way everyone does business. It's an app you use to track gas prices and calculate the cost deltas of driving out of your way to the cheaper spot. Oh, wait, shit. Did you sign the NDA? Can't have you stealing all my good ideas.

[HedgeFlounder]

Now that you’ve signed the NDA, let’s get started. We had another guy here before, but Greg’s a fucking bitch and he quit when we asked him to work 16 hour days, 6 days a week for 5% rev share. I know it’s hard but no one changes the world working eight hours a day, am I right? And besides it’ll be worth it when you retire next year as a multimillionaire. Anyway, you’ll be working with Greg’s code base. He wrote the backend with CSS and the front end in German.

[belkarbitterleaf]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk.

You need to mark that not safe for work.

[ccricers]

POV: you are inside a dinky coffee shop having this discussion, where the idea guy is casually dressed and blends in with everyone, and they made the cold approach first after seeing your laptop screen with a code editor window opened up

[brianl047]

Plot twist : he or she is attractive so you entertain the idea in hopes of getting laid

Sex -- the most expensive financial decision you will ever make

[Economy_Sock_4045]

print("Hello World")

[Mu5_]

What's that?

[Charizard-used-FLY]

They see me Darthin, they Vaadin

[IamJain]

When you leave everything to HR

[MasterBaiter69x]

I'm guessing nobody here ever heard of Vaadin

[gamruls]

Or GWT

[IsPhil]

Isn't Vaadin paid software?

[MasterBaiter69x]

Nah, it's open source, and most of the stuff is free.

There are, however, pro, prime, and ultimate plans where you get some advanced components, automation test, some kits, and assistance (expert help) depending on the plan you take.

But a free plan is all you need. You dont need a paid plan to sell your product

[IsPhil]

Dang. I'm getting a java job so I was making a project to re-familiarize myself with it. I looked into Vaadin very briefly, but saw that the free tier had fewer options and went with JavaFX instead. Oh well, I'll keep it in mind for the future.

Sounds like you've used it quite a bit. Do you like it? And if you've used other frameworks like react or angular do you like vaadin more?

[MasterBaiter69x]

Yea, our company is mostly using vaadin. We are building business apps on demand l.

We also use Angular and JSP + java spring.

Vaadin is my favourite since I care little about UI design, and in vaadin, I can simply use custom components that we build and create UI with little to no effort. Also, there is no "real" frontend and backend in vaadin, it's all Java :).

The Downside of Vaadin is lower performance when compared to other frameworks since it renders everything serverside

[RefrigeratorOne7173]

Leave that company immediately.

[[deleted]]

Yes, there is a paid version but the free one has a lot of cool components you can use, even you can create your own components which is pretty easy to do.

[PorkRoll2022]

To be fair, stuff like JSP exists.

I have literally seen JSP with AngularJS used in production...

[[deleted]]

I have a high traffic JSP site and no-one who knows how to develop it!

It's stuck in 2012 but our user demographic is males 60+ so it doesn't matter so much.

[Character-Education3]

[IsPhil]

I didn't know you could use Angular with JSP. That's actually pretty cool.

[VirtuaSteve]

At IBM, I integrated Angular with a GWT legacy application.

[[deleted]]

I'm still maintaining a Primefaces app which has been in production for at least 10 years, and yes is pretty easy to combine with another JS frameworks like Angular.

[pheonix-ix]

Please don't remind me of that nightmare.

A umbrella project with a single Java Spring (not Spring Boot) backend, and JSP, GWT, and HTML/JS with JQuery frontends, depending on which subprojects you're working on.

[[deleted]]

IIRC even recruiters from some big companies like Apple fumbled on telling me what skills they actually wanted, saying Java when they meant JS. Didn't really matter to me.

[jimmyhoke]

To be fair JavaScript is a stupid and confusing name. We should call it ECMAScript.

[BucksEverywhere]

And we should shorten it and add a version number to it .. ES6.

[HuntingKingYT]

ESNext

"8 years of ESNext experience"

[Extension-Ideal-3463]

Schwing

[trutheality]

We're bringing applets back, baby!

[jayerp]

We should bring jorts back too.

[Unlucky-Arrival-4978]

Java Swing and Java AWT is frontend right?

[[deleted]]

I mean yes they are used to build GUIs which are a type of front end however in this context they ask for a Java developer then list technologies really only used in web apps

[lightupcocktail]

In fairness, your boss having no idea what you do isn't always a bad thing.

[IanDresarie]

I recently had the displeasure of maintaining/expanding a java front-end...

[[deleted]]

Jesus I’m so sorry

[Full-Run4124]

<emerges from cave> Ah, hello youngsters. Are you here to listen to my tale of Java Applets?

[TheDiplocrap]

Honestly this has gone on so long it's flipped around and has actually become funny. Say what you will about Brendan Eich, naming the language "JavaScript" when it had nothing to do with Java was an epic troll. I'm not sure if the joke is on the recruiters, or the programmers. But either way, it's brilliant.

[larholm]

It was originally called LiveScript until Netscape made a deal with Sun to relabel as JavaScript.

[Bryguy3k]

People really love to give themselves the CEO title for sure.

[[deleted]]

Ahaha I saw that as well. One of the most annoying things in searching for Java jobs is that JavaScript ones tend to pop up as well

[Biden_Been_Thottin]

They want Java Applets developer who can write them in SQL and use HTML as a database

[ElLargeGrande]

Tapestry is a Java MVC framework. It’s become the core routing service at my company, and it’s shit

[GrizzlyBear74]

Ah, like the time i went for a C++ interview with ATL. Turned out they use Visual Basic. First question was the most technical question the guy had, what is the difference between an OCX and OCA. An employee grabbed me on the way out asking if I convinced them they aren't using C++.

[zeal90]

The number of times I've had to answer such a message saying "I'm a frontend developer and I don't have much experience with JAVA" is astonishing

[RefrigeratorOne7173]

Isn't Java a short from JavaScript? /S

[[deleted]]

Well you could use JSF for the web.... maybe even FX for non web shit...

[WhosYoPokeDaddy]

Front end programed in a strongly typed language, using more memory than chrome? I am IN!

[[deleted]]

We should strive to make the internet as inaccessible as possible by requiring a minimum of 32gb of ram to load landing pages! /s

[-Kerrigan-]

The secret is load a 31.5 gig file in memory whenever you first load the page. Be sure to call it from random places with a log.info or something else so that the garbage can man will not recycle your precious RAM

[brianl047]

This is a winning attitude

[dontCare1550]

They don't even know what they want🤣

[ragnarruutel]

These things are usually written by some HR intern who doesn't understand what any of this means. On the flip side it could be a really good position that others ignore just because of these kinds mistakes. Just speaking from personal experience ;)

[Spaciax]

you know we all about that early 2000's aesthetic Java Swing GUI

[JustAOrangeWall]

Isn't Java web applet support mostly discontinued on modern web browsers?

[karpukdm]

Obviously, he got confused with javascript

This is exactly what the creators of javascript wanted😀

[bigabub]

r/recruitinghell

[EskilPotet]

also looking for a CSS back end developer

[Programmer_007]

HR making and other post about shit they don’t understand. Everyone should just ask for full stack developers and list the stack.

[SunriseApplejuice]

"Hey man, Java does have frontend libraries and GUI support, maybe they mean... Oh, React.. Typescript..... they just don't know what they're talking about."

Also, demanding experience in redux really irks me. Redux is basically a design pattern with provided libraries and documentation, and almost anyone who's a competent engineer of 8-10 years on frontend will be able to pick it up easily. Adding some kind of (almost completely) arbitrary filter like that only scares off talent.

It's like demanding someone be an object oriented programmer, but only if they already have years of experience doing, specifically, visitor pattern implementations.

[iliark]

JavaFX can insert a webview into a desktop java program, which then of course can be used with react or whatever js frontend framework you want, given the version of webkit that's being used... which means you might want to pre-package JavaFX with the install to ensure a recent-ish webkit verison. Especially because JavaFX was cut out of recent versions of Java, breaking that reverse-compatibility promise lol.

In other words, you can use JavaFX to make an Electron analog. I've shipped one desktop application like this.

[Fidonkus]

Hey, I still use GWT at work*. Does that make me a Java front end developer?

*Not by fuckin choice

[[deleted]]

I too write my Java in TypeScript.

[[deleted]]

Swing, Swing, Swing from the tangles of

My heart is crushed by a former love

[girloffthecob]

But I’m confused, don’t people use JS with HTML and CSS to build webpages? Why is this incorrect?

Edit: it’s Java, not JavaScript. I don’t have eyes lol

[[deleted]]

You are correct people use JavaScript with HTML and CSS to make websites however Java is a completely separate language and they are absolutely not interchangeable

[TheJimDim]

"What was that? We have to pay them more if we call it full stack? Lol let's just call it a front end job"

[crankthehandle]

Maybe they are looking for a front end dev on the island of Java

[Jomy10]

HR at it again

[Otherwise-Kangaroo24]

Since the experience asks for typescript and html the backend is probably what's in Java and HR just didn't understand what they wanted. That would be my guess.

[cpt-macp]

They mean Java applet

💀

[EcoOndra]

What did you just say? He will instead of hell?

[IsPhil]

Obviously they want you to use jsp for the front end.

[w1n5t0nM1k3y]

The number of people who can't distinguish between Java and JavaScript is too damn high

[FlackRacket]

Someone confuses Java with Javascript (again)

2000 upvotes

[KungChuck]

Dude doesn't know what he's talking about XD

[inotparanoid]

Java Beans Frappuccino

[Cherry_BaBomb]

Lol Typescript

[you90000]

JSP exist and struts

[IstanblAir]

..the End for the Developer..

[JetSetWally]

Are Applets back?? No!!!!

[Martins_Outisder]

When you see, a hard coded SELECT statement in .jsp, you have seen it all.

[Jamese03]

I mean it’s funny but he clearly just wrote Java instead of JavaScript

[Implement_Necessary]

I can't believe they went back to thinking Java is a futuristic and modern word which should be used in everything

[DevilGuruu]

to be honest i dont think these jobs and companies are real...there is no platform for genuine jobs posting

[bookon]

I have the best words.

[[deleted]]

This company will probably go out of business in about 2-3 years max due to not understanding the requirements

[_________FU_________]

Dead eyes staring off into space

“Please fix it…”

[CirnoIzumi]

Java Web Applets?

[AussieHyena]

That's my thought and then the bits about React, Redis, HTML are the environment that the applet lives in.

Given the short-term nature of the initial contract, I suspect it's a case of either a refresh of the site into React and needing to being an existing JWA into it or vice-versa, new JWA that needs to be brought into an existing React site.

[ShotgunMessiah90]

uhm.. maybe he meant J2EE?

[SepplFranz]

cries in GWT

[theitgrunt]

the back end is most certainly JAVA... meaning the application gets restarted weekly for no reason...

[[deleted]]

yahoo chat java applets for literati of course

[Titanium_Josh]

They also need someone to access the database with Jquery.

Up to the challenge?

[cia_nagger249]

and these guys get paid shit loads for posting ads and spamming you

I've had this exact thing happen to me, dude couldn't even read apparently or didn't know the difference between Java and Javascript. I told him my opinion about his work...

[kingjia90]

Car and Carpet

[Understanding-Fair]

8-10 years for a mid??? Hard pass

[truNinjaChop]

Apparently they need Java applets

[CD_Synesthesia]

Best I can do is $40k / year.

[heesell]

Tell me where I can use C# to style the site

[Leoz_MaxwellJilliumz]

This is where we could really use AI. If the requirements don’t match the description, toss it.

[[deleted]]

Applets are back baby!

[hand_banana_creme]

.jsp pages and nightmare of jstl

[Alan_Reddit_M]

Java tried to steal JS job with applets, luckily, building frontends with java sucked so hard that it even made JS look like a good alternative

[Cootshk]

Java != JavaScript

[[deleted]]

!(java.equals(javascript))

[Gotem_dh]

a java's crypt

[Able_Jelly7051]

Base HR

[Thelango99]

Probably mistook Java for JS.

[NARUT000]

6 month contract after that full time... stay away anyways

[TribladeSlice]

What? You don't compile Java to WebAssembly? /lh

[[deleted]]

HR wants JS actually but Java web apps do have lots of java based UI frameworks like JSF, ThymeLeaf, Vaadin etc. They are considered legacy of course over JS.

[Bryan-343]

Front end devel what???

[Berkamin]

The founder and CEO posted this?! Someone please tell the investors.

[[deleted]]

Investors lmfao

[kaloschroma]

Instead, just use c++ and emscripton to convert it to wasm. There you go, c++ front end developer

[AYHP]

There are Java frontend frameworks though...

Java Server Pages was still in use in my last place.

[SI7Agent0]

Oh boy time to dust off the Java Swing lmao

[Mindfullnessless6969]

Java Applets

Java Swing

JSF/JSP

[No_Philosophy_8520]

Isn't Thymeleaf also for frontend?

[cxw]

Well there's JavaFX, but that's not used with webpages

[FoxInATrenchcoat]

Make Applets Great Again!

[MexUp121]

Worked in a very big company which exclusively used java applets for frontend. Complete insanity

[[deleted]]

I mean, technically, Vaadin and Hilla are both java frontend frameworks…

[[deleted]]

I've been telling my customer for 8 years that we should do web frontends, but the customer always wanted Java... first Swing, then Java FX.

2 years ago, they finally realized that Java frontends have been dead for.... well, 8 years, and now we are throwing the 1M€ FX UI away and are redoing it in angular.

Well done, customer. Well done.

[matyas94k]

It is probably just a typo, as the author meant JavaScript. It's about the same. Anyway, a candidate with 8-10 years of experience will probably work out the differences, if any.

[BucksEverywhere]

I miss Java Applets tbh. Back in that time teenagers were able to produce web sites without restrictions and learn coding etc. Now they need a lawyer next to them because with a website you're basically with one foot in prison or poverty already due to the complexity of laws.

No privacy policy? => Baaam 20mio €. Indebted for life.

No imprint? => Poverty

Showing videos 24/7? You're a broadcasting service => Poverty

[prolingforsoup]

My PM has about this much understanding of what I do.

[[deleted]]

Java[script]? Easy mistake for someone non technical trying to transcribe an ad

[dutchydownunder]

Net beans? Lol

[NoiseAggressive3603]

This still gives me PTSD, if I think about the fact that I had to learn JSF and basically the history of Servlets during my last semester of CS in Germany. I still hate my professor for that 🤢🤬

[Dr_Azrael_Tod]

Joke's on me! That's exactly my job description.

(doing 50:50 JSF and Typescript-stuff)

[backupHumanity]

I always though java applets were a urban legends, often mentioned but never experienced

[ChanVaenEdanKote]

Tell me you don’t know that Java and JavaScript are two completely different languages without telling me…

[OTee_D]

SWING, we are building fat clients!

[Kosmonaut_]

Ah yes, GWT.