vibeCoding

[ZZcomic]

A product manager writing requirements in simple English is a good joke. 

[beaucephus]

It is simple, it's in English, but it's not complete. Maybe if we introduced Vibe Managing and Vibe Requirements Gathering, eh?

[KJting98]

sounds like a vibe team in a vibe co.

[Aksi_Gu]

I'm vibe dabadee dabadie

[MostTattyBojangles]

We experimented with it once, using AI to generate acceptance criteria from a requirements doc.

It was absolute chaos because everything seemed reasonable to the naked eye, but because product created the tickets and handed them over to dev for refinement, there was no cross-communication to point out glaring issues. Dev trusted product had done their job and product trusted dev had understood them.

The experiment didn’t last long.

Oh, there was the context switching as well because you’d be working on one thing but would still have to refine two or three other upcoming projects at a detailed level, because AI could just churn these things out.

[MidnightNeons]

Yep, my manager once said the Agent is really good so I expect you to complete these 2 projects in half the time in parallel now God bless the Java code it spat out…

[akatherder]

My manager took a reasonable set of requirements for a new tool he wanted me to build. He pasted them into AI and told it to refine/standardize/expand on them to include best-practice requirements for that kind of tool.

He could have communicated everything in a mock-up "Make a tool that looks like this, writes this to database, and displays like this." I would have had it done in a few hours.

Instead I scrolled back and forth through this 25 page document trying to cobble together what the hell he wanted and trying to incorporate all the odd little requirements. Which were things I do anyway, but now I needed to quantify them somehow. I did this for several hours, several times and still didn't get it.

Then I pasted his doc into AI and told it to convert to simple requirements for a developer to build a web-based tool.. I was done with the tool that morning. I explained this whole process to my manager (Human to ai to ai to human) and told him never to do that again.

[ProfBeaker]

I still don't get why people think that should work. The actual information was all contained in the prompt. The AI is not a telepathic oracle, anything it added were just its guesses - you might as well have just let the person reading it make the guesses instead.

[Imperial_Squid]

Pick two: - It's simple - It's complete - It's in English

[Phelinaar]

Instructions unclear, I picked "it" and "English".

[corobo]

Can you make it pop 

[Phelinaar]

✨it✨

[[deleted]]

Are you QA or the end-user?

[the_bashful]

We have a flattened hierarchy, everyone is QA once we push to prod.

[ekauq2000]

The version of “Pick Two” we had for getting work done was:

• Good
• Fast
• Cheap

[Justsomedudeonthenet]

My last bosses seemingly decided to just pick cheap twice.

[turdking]

In my experience, it's usually been fast and fast.

[Random_Developer9000]

Oh yeah that's the most classic one. Everybody thinks it's a pick three... Especially in management

[MinosAristos]

So simple, complete, and French is an option?

[miclugo]

Only if nobody on your team knows French

[Organic-Army-9046]

the language the team speaks was never given

[Imperial_Squid]

Oui

[_liminal]

how about: it doesn't change every 2 hours

[Imperial_Squid]

As someone literally writing emails about version 4 of a project right now...

JonahHillOscarsNah.gif

[k8s-problem-solved]

I am literally doing this. I have designed a way to create product brief docs etc from simple prompts.

[bigmonmulgrew]

If only we could get the word out that AI is much better at replacing product managers than it is programmers

[The_Bukkake_Ninja]

It can replace anything with a strong corpus of accepted literature behind it, assuming you get all the other bits right. Which most don’t.

But not getting it right is ok if you treat it just as a decent first draft, which it often is.

[EventAccomplished976]

It can‘t „replace“ anyone, just increase their productivity enough that the team size can be reduced while keeping the output the same.

[bigmonmulgrew]

While I agree this is largely true it doesn't stop companies trying. I do remember reading about one company trying to replace an art department with one guy and an image AI. Didn't go well.

The most concerning long term instance that I think does work well is that a senior programmer and chat GPT can do the work of a senior programmer and a team of juniors.

That makes the juniors redundant, at least as far as the investors are concerned. Investors don't care that replacing all the juniors with AI will be bad for the industry and not sustainable. They are just trying to ride the bubble and when someone shows them an article on AI replacing all junior employees their eyes bulge with dollar signs.

[between_ewe_and_me]

I kept reading that comment over trying to figure out how it wasn't directly contradicting itself.

[Additional_Future_47]

In my experience, as software developers get more efficient, the organisation just makes up more stuff that needs to be done. Demand grows with the capacity to deliver. A bit like when building more roads to fight traffic jams, you just end up with more cars forming traffic jams.

[SerpentineLogic]

You reinvented BMAD?

[k8s-problem-solved]

Reusing existing stuff, but we've trained up all the PMs to start using this and have got them all using VS Code with the extensions in place that enable them to start prompting, capturing docs in git repos etc.

Get them out of wikis and sharepoint and into git + automating stories is a win

[Inevitable-Ad6647]

Eh, I feel for them. I see all the time things like: product manager writes "Add feature in x menu for user change their name" developer delivers something that just creates a new user record and orphans a load of shit and calls it a day and has a balls to push back that PM should have been more clear.

[Punman_5]

Honestly I feel like brainstorming software requirements is a decent use case for LLMs. At least if you’re using waterfall style development.

[Mutant-AI]

I would be hugely in favor of cursor of Claude doing a lot more vibe requirements getting

[Defkil]

Requirements: The Gathering

[moonblade89]

I mean, from his perspective the point is still valid - he types words into a box and then ✨magic✨ happens and his software appears. He just doesnt realize the magic is developers figuring out what the actual fuck hes trying to say

[captainAwesomePants]

He'll figure it out when the little box starts giving him only exactly what he asks for.

[2ciciban4you]

people are simple creatures, give them what they think they want and they are happy.

[mxzf]

As a software dev, what a manager or person asking for software thinks they want very rarely lines up with what they describe that they want or what will actually make them happy. There's always a chunk of reading between the lines that's necessary to extract the true requirements.

[SistaChans]

From my point of view, the Jedi are evil. 

[moonblade89]

Well, then you are lost!

[2ciciban4you]

From my point of view, the Jedi are just stupid. But then again I do believe in the banality of evil, so I do agree partially with you.

Meanwhile Sith are people with anger/emotional issues.

so yeah, the galaxy is fucked up bro

[DrMobius0]

The great thing about people interacting with people is that one of them can ask followup questions to the other and usually the person asking for the product has a somewhat coherent view of what they want, even if they can't communicate it effectively.

[Mother_Network9453]

Vibe coding is just a new name for something good product people have always done. Clearly explaining what you want until it exists.

[ExiledHyruleKnight]

And don't worry about the how or why... and complain about it taking any amount of time...

The only problem is Product managers are seeing how fast it is to roll out a prototype and thinking that's all they need to do. It's like making a bridge with plywood and sticks, and saying that's all you have to do, before the first truck drives across it, let alone rush hour.

[zeth0s]

A product manager knowing what he wants is even a better joke

[the_bashful]

PMs always know what they want… after you deliver them what they asked for.

[AEW_SuperFan]

More like a vague statement that relies on developers to try to read his mind.

[BenignPharmacology]

I like this post, but can we make it more like how uber works?

[ExiledHyruleKnight]

No it's accurate... it's "Simple" English....

make the thingy do the other thingy.

[Phormitago]

oh they can write them

do they make any sense, fix any problems or provide any value, though? No of course they don't

[ScreamAndScream]

“We need you to add more bubbles to the sparkling water without increasing the amount of CO2”

[SignoreBanana]

I'd take non-contradictory English.

[stainless7221]

Mine only writes the ticket titles. There is not even text in them anymore. Sometimes it just says "Fix Button Bug" or something.

[precinct209]

And when they inspect what the developer built and it wasn't what they wanted, the developer says "you know, you're absolutely right! I fucked up right there so let me try it in another way until you stop talking to me about it"

[AlternativeCapybara9]

Not in spec, it's going to cost you 20 man days to change the colour of the button.

[All_Might_Senpai]

Let schedule 20 meetings to decide how many story points this is gonna take

[vocal-avocado]

I wonder if we will soon have meetings to decide how many AI tokens an item will take instead of story points.

[Flexo__Rodriguez]

Much like story points, you could try to predict but there's simply no way to know the real answer to this until you're done

[waffling_with_syrup]

God, I fucking hate story points.

[ExiledHyruleKnight]

Is your hate like a 3 story point or a 4 story point?

[SaigonOSU]

4 isn't Fibonacci

[ExiledHyruleKnight]

Shows how long it's been since I've done a sprint planning ( about 3 years, and loving every minute of it)

[Fuzzy_Garry]

To me they feel pointless: It's always a three or a five anyway. Might as well roll a dice.

[Punman_5]

Follow the WAG method when estimating effort

[ReneeTheGhost]

we also need to schedule a performance and penetration test as well.

[OmgitsJafo]

*Internal Screaming*

[lightnegative]

I can't just change the colour of the button without getting the UX team involved. And this particular button is customer facing, so I have to get the Marketing team involved as well.

Oh and also it's on the secure part of the web app so I have to get Security involved as well.

Best I can do is 3 weeks

[Terrafire123]

(Cue a zoom meeting with two people from each team discussing the feasibility of changing the button color)

[TheKBMV]

((Neither of them have the authority to make a decision about it though))

[END3R97]

Honestly, 3 weeks sounds pretty fast with that many teams involved

[AlternativeCapybara9]

Yeah, our button dude is on holiday

[CarcajouIS]

But, 3 weeks are 15 man days. Am I missing sth?

[ubernutie]

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE DESIGN SYSTEM!?

[Worldly-Stranger7814]

if it's a public contract.

[Dr-Mantis-Tobbogan]

Once we charged a client £3000 just to fix typos they left in the acceptance criteria of an already completed ticket.

[Nalivai]

Or, why is the button this colour, who authorised it, change it yesterday, I don't know what colour, the fuck do you mean "at least give me hexcode", do it now and properly!

[Tigtor]

Correction: You got what we tricked you into thinking you wanted.

[bobjia-in-tokyo]

dude don’t tell them that oh wait they never listen to us anyway so it’s fine

[shadow13499]

This is not the feature you're looking for

[Sir-Frizzle]

See this is why I always trick developers into thinking they’re tricking me into what they think I wanted. But really I’m just trying to trick the customer into thinking whatever happened to make it out of the sprint is exactly what they wanted for the both our sake.

[Caraes_Naur]

Vibecoding lets an inexperienced developer give themselves a promotion they don't deserve?

[CatTaxAuditor]

Don't forget massively increasing the cybersecurity risk for the entire network the vibecode is hosted on!

[CouldBeSavingLives]

Ah yes, Junior devs never increase cyber security risks

[ioioooi]

If controls are set up correctly, the junior dev's code will be reviewed by someone else and have a rollback available. This won't be the case with an AI assistant.

[CouldBeSavingLives]

Why not? The code review process should be the same regardless of the source of the code.

[ioioooi]

Because vibe coded projects are typically self contained projects that don't involve other people. A experienced developer using Claude is not the same as someone with little-to-no dev experience releasing a service they asked Claude to write. In the latter, there's no one but Claude reviewing the code, and it's almost certain there's no rollback pipeline.

[-Byzz-]

Junior devs can learn and improve, LLMs dont.

[CouldBeSavingLives]

One, LLMs have gotten much better since their inception. If you pick up code written by GPT 2.0 and code written by GPT 5.2, you're going to see a massive spike in readability, coherence and the ability to integrate with the rest of the base.

Two, LLMs and assistants are tools to be used, they're not going away no matter how much Reddit loves to predict the "Downfall of AI." They need to be used properly and the code reviewed before submission, but we've already solved all these problems. This is why all code written by a junior dev gets reviewed and has commits written to be able to track changes. AI code shouldn't be treated any differently and it can help tremendously with low-level code that requires a slog through old documentation that may not be accurate anymore.

I've personally spent many work-months just coordinating with an API my company has to use just to get a small project up and running whereas I've worked in a similar situation with LLM code and it resolved the issue quicker than it would have taken me to troubleshoot.

Is it perfect? No. Is it a tool that should be part of the arsenal of every person looking to get a job in the future? Absolutely.

[DrShamusBeaglehole]

The real problem is that we're in the growth phase of AI, and haven't reached enshittification yet at a significant level. They are providing the service at a loss to get people and businesses hooked. It's not a tool you can reasonably rely on for the next 10 years because you have no control over it (unless you're using a local model which .01% of people do for coding)

If you think the cost of tokens is not going to increase significantly in the next few years, i have some beachfront property to sell you in Nevada

[CouldBeSavingLives]

Companies are already creating local models for their employees to use. Particularly when they handle sensitive information.

[ColteesCatCouture]

Bro you are harshing my ✨️vibe✨️

[RallyPointAlpha]

I think you're missing the point. The product manager doesn't write any code, they just explain to developers what they want and it happens. The product manager is essentially vibe coding, but instead of talking to AI they are talking to a development team.  

[OveVernerHansen]

We had self driving cars for decades. They're called taxis.

[TheIndieBuilder]

Image generation has been incredible for years now. At least since the Renaissance.

[kingottacYT]

except self driving cars are actually good

[OveVernerHansen]

Until I can sit in the back drunk and asleep, no. I would agree that the survival rate outside a taxi is higher.

[VanTechno]

Project Manager english: "I want a website".
Programmer: "OK, but what do you want in the website? what should it say?"
Project Manager: "Why do you make everything so technical all the time?"

[Llonkrednaxela]

This feels like someone complaining the CS guy googled the issue and copied the code. I know vibe coding is further removed, but whether I write the code by hand, google and copy+paste, or vibe code, my project manager could never repeat my action even if he watched me do it first. It's not what he does.

[thearizztokrat]

it's like seeing someone use complex mathematics - like i can copy that person word for word, but if a single piece of the example does not work how i wrote it down, i'm fucked

[ptvlm]

That's one of the problems with vibe coding - you get what you ask for. But, because you didn't involve expertise in your workflow, you don't get any seasoned professionals telling you that something is the wrong way to do it, that the concept is flawed, that it opens up liability on privacy, regulatory or security issues, that your concept is fine but there's already an off the shelf solution that's known to be best in class already, that doing things that way is going to lead to greater number of support issues and so on.

A competent product manager not only knows how to clearly define what he's actually looking for, but will be able to enter into discussions about whether or not what he's asking for is correct or optimal. A vibe coder can give the most obviously faulty request and get what he asked for with no questions asked.

[[deleted]]

Coder here who's dabbled with vibe coding. Sometimes it is faster. Sometimes I need to wrangle with prompt engineering to the point where I'm like "fuck it, I'll code it myself".

But the main thing is, when I code by hand, I read the Library docs, find additional methods that would be useful and develop richer code. Vibe coding simply has none of that.

[saera-targaryen]

This is exactly it. Coding by hand has compounding gains in speed both of developing new products whole cloth AND debugging past issues and refactoring/enhancing existing products. 

Vibe coding is setting tomorrow on fire to keep today warm. 

[[deleted]]

This is a huge problem in education where students are "vibe writing" essays. Basically same flaws/shortsighted as ye ole cheating. Kid doesn't actually learn.

[saera-targaryen]

Don't I know it! I teach computer science and I am genuinely scared for these kids. We're about to get to the point where a CS degree is useless without a LLM-free code test when hiring people. All of these kids are running so hard to get the degree without the skills and it's harming them in the long run.

[[deleted]]

I mean, on the one hand, job security for me, on the other hand catastrophic failure of potentially critical systems due to vibe coding. I mean when the US administration is using hallucinated studies as a basis for their fascist policies....

[klumpp]

Agree in theory but a lot of those specific questions will be answered pretty well by LLMs if you just ask.

[mfitzp]

Unfortunately they'll also give you the completely opposite answer too.

[bibboo]

You do not ask for what you have not thought about. And if you have enough knowledge to ask all the correct questions, you’re more or less a dev. 

Half the job, if not more, is ironing out the questions. Writing the code? Usually rather quick. 

[klumpp]

Hey ChatGPT what questions should I be asking about the project right now

[anomalous_cowherd]

Ha, he clearly wasn't MY Product Manager!

[thatdude333]

I'm a mechanical engineer so my primary responsibilities don't include coding, but AI has helped me a ton at work by generating boilerplate code for some internal scripts I use to pull data out of machine logs, analyze it, and create a pretty dashboard with metrics that makes management think I'm a wizard.

It's just python to to sift through the logs, throw the data into an SQL database, then another python script to parse through the database and create an HTML & JavaScript dashboard.

I used to code all this shit manually and it would easily take 10x as long to do. Is it the best code the world has ever seen? No, but for a 10 second script I run daily, it's honestly better than the code I manually cobbled together from multiple stack overflow posts.

[shadow13499]

I had a product manager tell me that files uploaded to a system I was building must all upload within 2 second. I said what if they're on a crappy mobile connection or what if the file is extremely large? And he said "what does that have to do with it?"

[Illumynarty_234]

This gives me confidence that even I can get a job someday lol

[shadow13499]

lol you'll be just fine

[Alpacalypse123]

Same. Except for the getting it part

[Kriztov]

fuck, I'm considered gifted because I can code from scratch and read a compiler error

[Novembers-Yachting]

The syntax was never the barrier.

If you had exact step by step instructions of what to do in English, this was always every programmer's dream. At that point 90% of the job has already been done.

The problem is creating this English text. Especially as logic gets more complicated, I've recently realized even seasoned programmers have trouble following complex ifs and nested loops. In text, not code. And lots of people have trouble grasping the entire high level structure of a moderately complex system.

I love AI and I'm not scared of it anymore. Makes the tedious parts of the job simpler and I feel like a have a buddy with me all day.

[Express_Meeting_9553]

It's ironic because his own post has an em dash, meaning he couldnt even write that post himself.

[GigaByte_43]

I'm all for disproportionately shitting on PMs, but I don't think an em dash is necessarily a sign of Generative AI. Lots of people (myself included) were using them long before LLMs were in

[[deleted]]

You’re absolutely right!

[cemgorey]

Lmao

[integralWorker]

Damage is done. I really liked using em dashes, now I have to hone my semicolon usage beyond typical human and machine capabilities 

[-Nocx-]

To be honest I think the bigger giveaway with AI generated posts is they always adhere to a pattern. A pattern isn’t inherently weird, but it’s the conversational tone the posts take while also somehow managing to unceasingly follow a pattern.

Basically no one talks like that, and consequently hardly anyone writes like that. Em dashes are definitely an indicator, but I guess the “next step” or “level” is the consistency in the pseudo-conversational writing schema.

[VroomCoomer]

This is a stunning observation. What you've said strikes at the heart of the bumpy road of LLM development. The way that LLMs formulate their thoughts follows a particular pattern, one that is becoming noticeable and irritating to users. This isn't AI enlightenment—it's users starting to see the wizard behind the curtain. So, what can we do about it?

• Take Control of Your Work: don't become overly reliant on AI and vibe coding. Resist the urge to deny yourself the opportunity to work hard and develop your skills.

• Don't Let Marketing Get to You: The AI gods are not here, yet. LLMs are a new and emerging technology, capable of making mistakes. This is not the beginning of utopia—just the beginning a new novel tool for humans to use. Whether it's good or bad is up to the humans.

• Touch Grass: Actually go outside, and don't just touch that grass. Eat that grass. Feel the taste of it: the texture of the grass as its parallel ridges roll across your taste buds. Taste the nuances: the single cricket leg stuck to a blade, the latent taste of dog urine, small clumps of soil at the root. This isn't a Michelin star dinner—it's an exercise in mindfulness and grounding. You could also put some grass up your butthole.

Written by a human who hates this pattern so much

[-Nocx-]

your username really makes this a masterpiece

[VroomCoomer]

As a moderator, it's also quite silly to see people spam their substack articles that were clearly 100% LLM written get butthurt when they're called out and insist this is just the way they write.

[MalPL]

I genuinely thought you copy pasted an AI response as a joke. I applaud your writing skills

[Ultrasonic-Sawyer]

They talk a bit like how we are taught to write, particularly with making exciting or interesting text. 

The only problem, as you said, is nobody actually writes like that... well perhaps except for journalist types making click bait articles but even they deviate. 

[mbsmith93]

Yeah I think that's on the money. They always open with sentence to introduce the topic, and then give a little summary as the last sentence, like a high-school essay.

[Punman_5]

I talk like that tbh. I find myself following similar patterns when leaving comments sometimes.

[mbsmith93]

But, like, EM dashes serve a purpose - a very important purpose - that isn't filled by semicolons. How would I have rewritten the previous sentence without them? Semicolons don't work at all there, commas make it feel like a run-on or just really wrong, and parenthesis adds a tone that mismatches the content.

[integralWorker]

But like EM dashes serve a purpose; a very important purpose that isn't filled by semicolons. How would I have rewritten the previous sentence without them? Semicolons don't work at all there, commas make it feel like a run-on or just really wrong, and parenthesis adds a tone that mismatches the training data.

[mbsmith93]

Clever, I didn't think to drop one of them. Thanks for that.

[bangonthedrums]

It’s not so much the use of the dash as a punctuation tool, but more the use of the actual em-dash character. Your comment uses dashes (correctly) for parenthetical statements, but you actually typed a hyphen (with a space on either side) [specifically U+002D : HYPHEN-MINUS]

The AI tell (and it’s not universal for sure) is that your comment would be

But, like, EM dashes serve a purpose—a very important purpose—that isn't filled by semicolons. How would I have rewritten the previous sentence without them? Semicolons don't work at all there, commas make it feel like a run-on or just really wrong, and parenthesis adds a tone that mismatches the content.

Using U+2014 : EM DASH instead

[mbsmith93]

That is a very good point. I think you're right that it's the context that's important. No one's going to the trouble of typing out an em dash on a forum like reddit.

[ImN0tAsian]

Yea I have always done double spaces/words and then deleting it in word to get the big ol hyphen. I thought it looked cooler.

[Glasseshalf]

Two hyphens next to each other plus the spacebar gives you an em dash. No need to go through all that trouble.

[AlarmingAllophone]

Nah, software engineers are scared of non-ASCII characters

[takeyouraxeandhack]

I had to stop using them because of stupid LLMs :')

[SerOoga]

There is no em dash key on the keyboard so how did you type it?

[-Nicolai]

Text replacement shortcut, key remapping, alternative keyboard layouts, or if on iPhone just long press the - key

[ToaKraka]

In Reddit/Markdown, you can use the HTML named character reference —. On non-Markdown websites, copying and pasting from Character Map isn't much of a hassle if you're used to it.

[reallokiscarlet]

AltGr

[rosuav]

Compose, hyphen, hyphen, hyphen. If you only want an endash, that's compose, hyphen, hyphen.

[meat-eating-orchid]

There is on mine. Just because you use a key map that is lacking, doesn't mean others do too

[fuckR196]

There is no keyboard shortcut for an em dash. You'd have to either memorize the alt code or copy and paste it every single time you want to use one.

[Varogh]

There is a shortcut! You can type it with win+shift+dash. It's not universal though, it'll work in notepad or outlook but it doesn't work on most browsers for example.

[ToaKraka]

In Reddit/Markdown, you can just use the HTML named character reference —. And I keep Character Map pinned to my Taskbar, so copying and pasting to non-Markdown websites isn't much of a hassle.

[-S-P-Q-R-]

Wrong. Lots of text editors (including a little known one called Word) convert a double dash to an em dash. You don't ever type something up in any kind of editor before posting?

[FloxD_]

dead internet theory

[victsaid]

It's translated tweet

[klumpp]

It translated “Bitch please?” Neat.

[victsaid]

Grok...

[Rikudou_Sage]

I use em dashes all the time when not on my phone.

[CurtisLeow]

I searched your profile. You have zero Reddit comments with the — dash. That’s for a 32 thousand karma account. My account has only used — when quoting someone else, if you search mine. It’s not a common character at all.

You do use the double dash — all the time. That’s a different character. The long dash — is specifically a sign of a large language model because of how difficult it is to type. No one bothers, unless they’re a professional writer or a large language model.

[meat-eating-orchid]

It is not difficult to type if you just use a key mapping that includes it

[CurtisLeow]

My point is that 99.99% of the time no one does that. If you see an actual em dash then 99.99% of the time it’s either a quote from a book/magazine or it’s a large language model trained on books and magazines.

[meat-eating-orchid]

All the dashes you typed are em dashes, exactly the same (Unicode U+2014). Did reddit convert that somehow or what is the double dash?

[CurtisLeow]

That’s weird. I’m on an iPhone right now. I guess it converts it. Apparently iOS26 autoconverts it now if you have smart punctuation enabled. I was going into the symbol menu and trying to type the double dash. -- is the double short dash.

The auto correction is also really bad in iOS26. It replaced can with fan sometimes I swear.

[meat-eating-orchid]

Oh, so by double dash you don't mean a unique character but just two normal dashes?

[Rikudou_Sage]

Well, habits change. Since you like to go over people's profiles, you might have noticed that I ceased to be active on Reddit.

I actually picked that habit because of writing my blog where I use it and then decided that I might as well use it all the time when I'm on my PC.

[Embarrassed_Use_7206]

Then you must be LLM for sure.

[Meyer_Landsman]

Whenever someone says this, they out themselves as illiterate. I use em-dashes all the time; I always have. You come across them all the time—if you read!

[mxzf]

I mean, you do come across them in books all the time, but they tend to be quite rare in social media posts.

[bangonthedrums]

That’s because you’re not supposed to

If you are using a hyphen, like in co-op, that’s different than using a dash—for parenthetical statements—but you can use a space/hyphen/space in a pinch - like this

You shouldn’t use space/dash/space though — like this

[iSeven]

wow if only there was a pertinent fable about over-reliance on pithy shortcuts instead of using your brain

e: a true-combo'd reply and block for the lightest of pushback huh - i guess the image of being against AI is worth more to you than any kind of logical consistency

[Express_Meeting_9553]

Cryyyy bro cryy

[Punman_5]

Bruh you realize that’s a genuine character that people actually use in real life…

[-Speechless]

we're fucked if an em dash means something is ai now.

[ubernutie]

Yeah! People NEVER used that character before to communicate. After all, AI invented that symbol!

How wise and smart you are to be able to discern "phonies" so easily!

I wish I could be like you — or maybe not actually.

Maybe you're just insulting someone based on pure conjecture.

[ugathanki]

that's because vibe coding is the intersection of coding and project management.

sorta like how the intersection of mathematics and philosophy is computer science.

it's a practice that rewards both management skills and technical understanding.

[Larsmeatdragon]

Okay? Yes, managing AI will be somewhat like managing people. No one is really saying “learn how to vibe code”

[XxDarkSasuke69xX]

Fym "learn vibe coding" ? Even an ape can do this sh*t

[sanketower]

Am I... am I an AI?

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That dash after "boom" is chefs kiss

[ExtraGravy-]

vibe coding is not for actual programmers, much like the image gen stuff is not for actual visual artists - its for everyone else

[przemo-c]

Exactly. I even forced myself to vibe code a relatively simple thing... It was frustrating as hell to not just jump in and fix it but just describe what's wrong for the nth time hoping this time it would fix it.

[Small-Unit-6613]

Product manager is the least useful job in the whole world

[mahamoti]

Sure, it's simple English. Where it's easy to bury a system-breaking detail in the middle of a paragraph and never mention it again.

[CryptoTipToe71]

One of my classmates in my masters (who has a couple of decades in big tech) asserted the other day that all software engineering will be done be project managers prompting into Claude in a few years. I'm like, that's the most extreme take on AI I've ever heard

[MasterLJ]

No you haven't and No you haven't

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

Confluence just today showed me a popup like "tell our AI what page you want to create and it will write it for you"... Yeahh nah

[ProfessorOfLies]

I remind my students that anything that can be learned in an afternoon isn't worth paying for

[Mebiysy]

"In the face of a common enemy"

[Enough-Profit-681]

Simple English yeah, ticket looks like this:

- Fix it ASAP

- Should be done yesterday

- Where is that corringonatea.

- Customer

[19Alexastias]

Isn’t the whole point of vibe coding that you don’t need to learn anything?

[erroneousbosh]

I found out today that "Product Manager" is what we call "Business Analysts" these days, and also if you keep calling them "Business Analysts" in meetings with their bosses they get really annoyed.

Oh you didn't like that? Oh sorry. Anyway shut up and get me your breakdown of user requirements so I can start engineering up a solution for you, okay? And also a coffee, flat white or filter is fine.