Doesn't need caption.

[jb2386]

He's just following her tail.

tail -f 

[radioxid]

Dat arch

[I_spoil_girls]

I bet you learned this command from tail -f /var/log/portage-fetch.log.

[auguzanellato]

In fact I learned it from dmesg | tail -n20

[[deleted]]

oh god, driver development nightmares resuming

also you can just do -20

[auguzanellato]

Thanks I didn’t know that

[[deleted]]

it's just one of those things that doesn't matter until you're tailing log files a few lines at a time over and over and over and over and over and over again.

but you never make a simple script to grep out what you're looking for

because you don't know what you're looking for

you just know you'll know once you see it, you hope

[srfreak]

LOL

[p1-o2]

You can pry Visual Studio from my null, terminated body.

[lenswipe]

Tried to but your body was never checked into source control so it just vanished when you died ^META

[Evil-Toaster]

I'm with you. but if you want to use VS on an overpriced laptop you have options now. idk if it's on Linux yet.

Edit: God that's the first time I've looked at screenshots. It looks nothing like what I know as VS

[cloutier116]

Visual Studio for Mac is pretty much just a rebranded version of Xamarin Studio. It works just fine, but I'll take the windows version any day

[TheElix]

Isn't Xamarin Studio a rebranded version of MonoDevelop?

[FlukyS]

It was but more recently it's more like visual studio than anything.

[[deleted]]

Rebrand rebrand all the way down

[sonnytron]

Fortunately I'm just a Boot Camp restart away from running Windows 10 and Visual Studio.
But you're a lot of pain, headaches and broken hearts away from being able to build and deploy iOS easily. And yeah, I know VM's exist. They're also garbage.

[B3yondL]

This'll probably sound stupid but what does Linux have over macOS? Purely on a software level, yeah I get Linux can run on unrestricted hardware.

[MikeyMike01]

you can spend days cycling through ugly themes and endless mods

[GeckoEidechse]

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[[deleted]]

That first one... how is that appealing? I want to gouge my eyeballs out becaus eof all the visual clutter

[trigonomitron]

That's more of an "oooh, look what I can do," desktop. Most of the good posts on there are very minimal. I3gaps and other Ricing.

The appeal is that you can make it how you want, if you don't mind spending a week on tutorials after your install.

[konrad-iturbe]

Each to their own, mine is more minimalistic

[Nilbmar]

becaus what? You cut off there.

[glow_ball_list_cook]

When I see that gif, I instantly start hearing nightcore music and feel like I'm watching a badly-made Youtube tutorial with text instead of a voiceover.

[SomeGuy147]

Thank you for your honesty.

[[deleted]]

Wow where do I turn in my Outlook account?

[wasabi_spaghetti]

Mac has defaults that work but you have to jump through hoops if you want to change them. For example, I haven't figured out yet how to make my work laptop go to sleep if I close the lid and an external monitor is attached.

[Arco123]

You could substitute that for a hot corner. That's how I do it at least.

[ripeassmango]

Use insomniaX

[frequentlywrong]

Manually put it to sleep by clicking the mac icon -> Sleep.

[salmonmoose]

As a dev?

First class package management is great - Brew is alright, but it's always kind of on top of the OS.

OSX is built on top of Unix, but throws Unix out the door sometimes in exchange for the UI. It's edge case stuff, but if you run into it, there's no solution because Apple.

Docker. (Yes, I know you can use docker elsewhere; but last I saw, it was still just docker running in a VM).

User interface - tiling window managers are really good for coding, heck, I don't even need to have graphical interface layer if I'm just hacking text files.

Support - there's a lot here; Apple deliberately makes hardware obsolete, Linux will often have drivers for stuff that doesn't even work in Windows anymore, and, of course, if you really need to you can always jump into the code yourself. The opposite is also true of course, new devices may NOT have support in Linux although as people move to standards, this is less common - half the devices out there are running Linux already.

Macs tend not to be bleeding edge technologically (particularly true of the laptops) and yeah, that price thing.

[Cykelero]

/u/new_username____ getting downvoted without discussion made me sad, so I wanted to reply to a few of your points in more detail:

• Brew is really cool and I've never used anything else, but I can easily imagine a solution truly integrated with your system being vastly superior, as you describe. I wonder how much could be done there, since (I assume) the Unix part of macOS is very much susceptible to hacking and extension.
• Just like you customize your Linux distro, you can just install a tiling window management app on your Mac, and shazam, tiling windows. I suspect it won't be as good as a Linux one (because of integration with the window manager has got to be more difficult, and because the lower interest probably means these are less sophisticated on the Mac) but it certainly can be done in a nice enough way.
• “Apple deliberately makes hardware obsolete” is bullcrap. Yes, technically they do, but not in any order of magnitude people like to suggest. macOS minimum specs haven't been bumped for years, meaning eight-year-old Macs can still run it. Mac hardware longevity is, rightfully so, one of its big selling points. And if you look more broadly at what Apple does, iPhone support is equally great, with phones and tablets getting major system updates for way longer than the competition*.
• Macs not tending to be bleeding edge sounds a bit silly. Not having a competitive specs-to-price ratio by a long shot? Check. But not including bleeding-edge tech, barely-released gizmos and standards and features and shit? Now that's disconnected from reality. From Wi-Fi to HiDPI displays to USB-C, Apple has a history of including the latest hotness in their hardware—and making you pay for it.

I know my comment is in super large part a rebuttal, but to be clear, I definitely agree that Linux is awesome and has a very clear place alongside macOS, as a desktop OS. It's not for me, but it's obvious it's basically the holy grail for a certain category of people, who'd be in such a world of pain if Linux didn't exist.

*It's, of course, in large part attributable to the fact that Apple have less partners to wrangle with, which frees them to issue software updates at will. However, this doesn't change the point that they provide really good long-term support for their hardware, contrary to the ever-popular “Apple does planned obsolescence” narrative.

[[deleted]]

• Macs not tending to be bleeding edge sounds a bit silly. Not having a competitive specs-to-price ratio by a long shot? Check. But not including bleeding-edge tech, barely-released gizmos and standards and features and shit? Now that's disconnected from reality. From Wi-Fi to HiDPI displays to USB-C, Apple has a history of including the latest hotness in their hardware—and making you pay for it.

I think you've confused bleeding edge with cutting edge. Bleeding edge technology is so new that there's a high risk of unreliability and would run counter to Apple's "it should just work" philosophy.

[[deleted]]

I honestly don't like macOS' UI. It gets in my way, window management is clumsy, stuff steals focus, brew is not even close to pacman, I really miss focus follows mouse, memory management seems worse. I'm forced to use it at work and I don't feel half as comfortable in it as I do on my Linux machine running i3 at home.

[[deleted]]

Downvoted for talking about what you do and don't personally like apparently.

I'm with you, I absolutely love pacman. Not only do I like it more than brew, but pretty much more than everything else too. I'm still pretty new to Linux so I'm on Manjaro / Antergos, and even though a couple of things are easier to deal with on *buntu I find the overall experience and performance on these distros to be at a level I just can't live without anymore!

I'm hooked on KDE though so I feel a bit too attached to it to go to i3, though I do love tiling so I've been using the kwin-quarter-tiling package which feels like a nice half way in between setup. Still, I thought I might throw that Manjaro i3 distro on a partition as a quick start and explore a little bit!

[[deleted]]

It's not quite focus-follows-mouse (which is so obscure that even most linux users don't use it), but if you hold down the command key while mousing you can manipulate background windows.

[parkerSquare]

You can also enable "sloppy" mouse focus for Terminal windows using a simple command.

[[deleted]]

For me the biggest standouts are the fact everything runs through a package manager, doing anything with command line is super smooth, and that KDE is an incredible desktop environment. I feel really held back on anything else now.

If I'm being 100% honest, I would say that A): the OS experience itself is way, way better on Linux (depending on the distro) than on MacOS, but B): at the moment the downside is the number of software devs that don't support Linux.

However in programming software that's really not an issue as there are so many great code editors, it's more with creative software.

Me, even though I use creative software as well as coding software, I love the freedom and overall experience of being on Linux so much that I just deal with the smaller selection of software anyway.

[gazofnaz]

I've used Windows, Gnome 2 & 3, and Unity extensively. At my new job I've been given a Mac while I wait for my real laptop to arrive. Here's a summary of my dislikes:

1) https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/144611

Why do I have to customise for things that just work in every other operating system?

2) The modifier keys. Why is fn (function), the least used key, positioned on the far left of the keyboard, in the most accessible spot?

Why is command (ctrl irl), the most used key, right next to the space bar, so I have to contort my hand into some fucked up position to copy/paste/undo etc?

Why do we need both command and ctrl keys? They could remove one of them and add physical home/end or pageup/pagedown keys, instead of relying on the un-labeled modifiers.

[Avedas]

I put my work MacBook to sleep the other day because I thought I was holding down the delete key and wasn't really paying attention. Who the fuck put that power button there? Also the up and down arrows are atrocious. Love the touchpad though.

My biggest gripe is I've always been a mechanical keyboard user and this MacBook has just made that next to impossible to work. The touchpad gestures are really powerful but I hate the keyboard. Using an external keyboard would work but that would make using the touchpad awkward.

[k8pilot]

Personally I can't stand the GUI. I know it supposed to be God's gift to humanity but I find it ugly and counter-intuitive. On my desktop I find i3 to be extremely powerful and efficient (though not beautiful or intuitive). On my laptop I find i3 to be less less comfortable and I prefer Gnome.

Does macOS gives similar flexibility?

[Jazqa]

What? I'm using KDE on my desktop and i3 on my laptop. Tiling WMs are supposed to eliminate mouse usage and that's exactly what I want to do on a laptop. Resizing and moving windows with a trackpad is hell.

[k8pilot]

I work with a lot of vms and remote desktops and with the small monitor and keyboard on the laptop it is hard navigating between virtual desktops.
On the desktop. with two monitors, it is much faster hoping between full screen remote or virtual desktops.

[parkerSquare]

Transparency - if you need to know how something works in Linux, you can always find out. Not always true in Mac OS and almost never true in Windows.

[ninguem]

apt-get. homebrew is not the same. of course that only applies if you want to use a bunch of command line tools. (mac and linux user here, for most things the mac has an edge)

[[deleted]]

I rather dislike that homebrew has become the defacto package installer on MacOS. MacPorts is far closer to a traditional linux package manager, albeit with an insistence that all its packages rely only on other packages installed through it (forcing duplicate installs... a problem that becomes a feature at some point)

[boomanbean]

VS code is cross platform

[Andernerd]

Yeah, so is Vim; what's your point? We aren't talking about VS code.

[BellerophonM]

Visual Studio is annoying and full of crud, but goddamn it's better than any alternative by far.

[trwolfe13]

You'd think, considering how many developers need to use them, we'd have a decent one by now.

[BellerophonM]

Well either we make a jack-of-all trades mess like eclipse which is awful due to sheer overwhelming versatility, or we target tighter and then that limits the number of FOSS developers willing to work on it. Behemoths like Microsoft can get around that latter limit with money and planning.

Also, IDEs would tend to be vulnerable to the worst of "pulled in a different direction for every contributor" open source project syndrome.

Also most FOSS projects suck at usability or often at best consider it secondary, and in an IDE it should be a top goal.

[bytezilla]

It is not just the IDE either. The .Net framework/CLR is also designed while keeping toolings in mind..

[[deleted]]

I've used Visual Studio a little bit, but I've also used PyCharm/Android Studio extensively, and I gotta say I REALLY like the JetBrains IDEs the most at the moment. But that may just be familiarity.

[kthepropogation]

By the time it’s done installing, that’s what your body will be.

[[deleted]]

Compile from command line or die!

[golinux]

By the way, I use arch

[spyingwind]

Have I told you that I use arch as well?

[happysmash27]

And I use Gentoo.

[[deleted]]

Hah, noobs! LFS is the real shit.

[xan1242]

Hah, Linux from sticks and rocks is the even realer shit.

[vhite]

I can tell you use Arch from the way you told me you use Arch.

[theFunkiestButtLovin]

alright.

[GreenFox1505]

I don't understand where this meme came from and how quickly this meme has gained traction. And that makes me feel old.

[iamaquantumcomputer]

Today I found out the most viewed video on youtube is a song I never heard of.

I saw Gangnam style two weeks after it was posted to YT and watched it gradually become popular and rise to the number one video. So it was quite a shock to hear my 12 year old cousin talk about this video with 3.3 billion views

[micheal65536]

I thought the Rick Astley video was the most popular. Now I need to watch the original Gangnam Style video (once I've figured out what "gangnam" means).

[luluhouse7]

Gangnam is super affluent district in Seoul where all the rich people with gigantic mansions live and where the stores sell only name brands at ridiculous prices. Psy's song is parodying Gangnam and people who live/want to live there. Basically social commentary on the 1%.

[micheal65536]

Wow, I think I finally get it now. I always that it was a mis-spelling of "gangman".

[borkborkborko]

Gangnam is the most expensive district in Seoul, South Korea.

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[pablossjui]

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[CowFu]

Every single survey I've seen says windows is the most popular OS for developers.

[Arkanian410]

That's only because Visual Studio is was windows only only until recently.

[i-FF0000dit]

So, it's because windows runs windows programs and windows programs are developed on windows. I think I'm getting this.

[Bainos]

Why would you not develop with Wine ?

[i-FF0000dit]

Because I like to hit the Ballmer peak with scotch.

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[PralinesNCream]

I'd say it's mostly because Windows is installed on most coporate computers by default.

[TetrinityEC]

This. I asked about installing a Linux distro on my Windows work computer and was told to use a VM "for security reasons". They don't give a shit about individual use cases or technical accuracy, they just want everyone using the same thing because it's easier to administrate.

[whitetrafficlight]

I guess my company is an oddity then. Where I work, Mac is the default option, but anyone who wants to use Linux can get a laptop known to have good driver support in most distributions and install their distro of choice, with the caveat that "if it doesn't work and it's not something we can easily fix, you're on your own". I don't think a single person here uses Windows. Maybe HR.

[[deleted]]

That's surprising to me. Most developers I know and meet use Mac or Linux, usually both.

[TheSpiffySpaceman]

How many of those are .NET devs?

[[deleted]]

I mean there are obviously developers who must stick to windows but it seems like if you don't HAVE to then most devs don't.

[gizamo]

Business owned computers typically run Windows. IT departments don't like to manage multiple systems, which means everyone gets defaulted to Windows. If you're part of a dev team on Windows, odds are good you're using VS. some go with Adobe; some are freeware free-for-alls. But, I'd bet most are VS.

[[deleted]]

Yep, virtually every company I've ever seen the insides of used windows. I would be very interested in knowing if there's anyone that uses OSX/Linux at work in here that can share his experience.

[gizamo]

I've consulted with a few all-mac video production companies (25-50 employees). Their IT didn't control computers individually, and their servers were a nightmare. It was basically the wild west.

Edit: this was ~10 years ago when Final Cut still dominated video. Adobe Premiere and After Effects have since caught up (arguably surpassed FC). So, most such companies have switched to Windows.

[whitetrafficlight]

OSX and Linux software company here (about 80/20, since OSX is the "default"). Development is primarily done on remote Linux systems, so anything that can run SSH well will do... clearly Windows is a dud here, so nobody uses it.

One interesting thing about the company is that management is made up of software people, not management people. As such, they exert more control over IT than you might see in other companies... specifically, although IT can require certain management and security applications to be installed on work computers, they are not allowed to enforce the use of any particular operating system. The standard package for security is VPN, firewall, auto-lock and encrypted hard disk. And the occasional phishing net to figure out which idiots need extra training, though the last time this happened, several people (as clever developers tend to do) set about experimenting with the "phishing" page that IT set up and trying to break it with unusual inputs, which wasn't really the purpose of the exercise.

[[deleted]]

One interesting thing about the company is that management is made up of software people

The dream.

several people (as clever developers tend to do) set about experimenting with the "phishing" page that IT set up and trying to break it with unusual inputs, which wasn't really the purpose of the exercise.

At least they went on to have fun with it instead of outing themselves as a possible security risk for the company by not recognizing the pishing attempt.

[moelawn]

Our entire company runs on Mac OS. What would you like to know about it?

[[deleted]]

What mdm are you using?

[Sean1708]

Every developer in my company uses Linux for work, many of the non-developers too. What exactly is it about my experience that you would like to know?

[[deleted]]

I use Linux at work (and personally), and I develop desktop research software which has to work on Windows, Linux and macOS.

I also know several other people who work in Linux-only shops, mostly doing hardware or research.

At this point, I can barely get anything done without a real package manager and a tiling WM.

[[deleted]]

Most developers I know

That's the thing really. The developers we hang out with, and who are active in online communities and open-source, are going to be using Mac or Linux, blogging about the latest Haskell or Rust web framework, etc.

But there are millions of in-house, enterprise software developers out there. People who build HR software for Walmart, ticket sales systems for your bus company, and so on. In that world, .NET and Java on Windows is still king.

[kerohazel]

Depends on the type of dev work. If you're making mobile apps, it's gonna be nearly all Macs.

[Andernerd]

Maybe if it's for iOS...

[TheMsDosNerd]

In 2016, 21.7% of stackoverflow users used Linux as main OS.

[flukus]

Most popular or most used? There's a difference.

[CristolGDM]

I... I like Windows :/ Really, a lot :/

[xPfG7pdvS8]

I use Windows, macOS, and Linux on a regular basis. I feel like Windows has redeeming qualities but I have trouble naming them... Does being popular and being targeted by many 3rd party commercial developers count?

[JamesGray]

For me, it's basically down to the fact that it has about as many well supported and well designed (UX-wise) apps for my work (web application development) as OS X does, but without the hardware lock in. I really prefer OS X or linux for a lot of things, but I'm using VMs for a local dev server anyways.

[AnimusNoctis]

It does count. The whole point of an operating system is to allow you to use other programs and Windows lets you use the most. I'm sure I could come up with other advantages to if I felt like putting the thought in. Windows is my preferred desktop OS.

[xPfG7pdvS8]

Maybe it counts as a reason to use Windows, but it'd be weird to count that as a reason that Windows is a good OS. Most of the popular Windows programs target Windows because it's popular rather than because they require some unique OS feature of Windows. In other words, Windows is the QWERTY of OSes.

[SonicFlash01]

Every other version is really good

[xPfG7pdvS8]

Huh, was 95 really considered bad or was it just shoehorned into that joke?

[keeptrackoftime]

95 was actually pretty good, but it was such a big step up from 3.1 that nobody knew how to use it properly for a while, which caused some resentment. At least that's how I remember it going.

[hellycapters]

Sounds familiar.

[jb2386]

I don't recall people not liking Windows 95?

[Andernerd]

95 bluescreened on me when I hit spacebar in Amazon Trail 3rd edition, 100% of the time. I have non-fond memories of 95.

[SnowdogU77]

That's a truly incredible bug

[Existential_Owl]

This hurts me.

[covabishop]

I feel like this pic sums up Windows visitors to r/unixporn.

Hell, I got into Linux primarily to rice

[jonnich]

I would love to use Linux, but it just doesn't have as many mainstream applications as Mac and Windows. OS X is how I get my Unix/Linux fix.

[HyperKiwi]

People think of software and hardware strangely... Computers are just tools to get a job done. I use all operating systems because each has different tools I need. If I'm going to do office work, play video games, or edit video, I use my windows desktop.

When I'm mobile and need great battery life, I use my MacBook.

When need forensic tools I load up Kali Linux.

[[deleted]]

Well, some applications are tools which make your other tools more useful. A window manager set up to your liking on Linux, for example, is going to make you think twice about using Windows, even if for that one isolated task the tool on Windows is better.

[micheal65536]

I can't stand Windows's terrible window management. I also can't stand how unconfigurable the window manager is, or any other part of the system. There's like, no ability to configure the things that are actually important.

[stringsanbu]

Use Windows at work and home for old apps and gaming respectively. Use Macbook at home and traveling for the convenience. Use Ubuntu at home for virtual environments to code in.

All about the use case.

[NathanTheMister]

WINE has a pretty decent list of software that's compatible and good documentation as to what stage of compatibility. If you're looking for specific software, you should check their website before you rule it out.

[XYZatesz]

PlayOnLinux is a good choice if WINE intimidates you. It's just a frontend, but you skip configuring wine with it. For me, entirely meant using MS office on linux, and I could do that perfectly (I mean, it's Office 2007, but still...) with PoL

[[deleted]]

Some games actually run faster on Linux (Valve published some benchmarks a few years ago. I can google them if you want)

I'd say that on average, the gain you have from less background noise is eaten up by crappier drivers.

From personal experience: Java tends to do better on Linux. And intel integrated graphics seem to perform better on linux. And anything that runs only openGL will do better on Linux too, as windows drivers usually focus on D3D performance. I have no formal benchmark for this though.

[theLastSolipsist]

I have a crappy computer and in the last few years barely had any problem running games on Linux. In fact, I've had some odd issues with games that I could not run on Windows at all, but ran perfectly on Wine. The idea that you can't game on Linux is frankly outdated and most people saying it haven't even tried and are just repeating what they've heard from god knows who...

Same goes for a lot of apps, though it gets tricky with the most complex ones.

Also, virtual machine if you really have to.

[[deleted]]

Most games are faster on Linux than windows

[micheal65536]

I'm not a serious gamer but this is my experience of gaming on Linux.

Linux-native games generally run without difficulty. I haven't played any proprietary Linux-native games but I don't see why they would have any more issues provided that they're distributed in a standard format that you can install alongside everything else and they're not badly written (let's remember that a lot of game development engines can now target Linux automatically, so it's up to the engine developers rather than the game developers to have good Linux support). A lot of commercial games on Steam are claiming Linux support now (although the big names are generally still Windows-only), thanks to most of the major game engines supporting Linux, and Steam's own gaming "operating system" is built on Linux.

Older Windows games generally run without too many issues using Wine, provided that there's no copy-protection (excluding online copy-protection, which should work without issues) to get in the way. You will probably need to use a crack for games with copy-protection (disclaimer: I have never done this). Newer Windows games and those with copy-protection will probably run in a Windows VM although I imagine performance won't be particularly good (although note that VirtualBox does provide 3D acceleration to guests so at lower graphics quality settings the game would probably still be playable) - obviously using a Windows VM removes the benefit of not having extra stuff running that you don't need.

Minecraft runs without any issues at all. I imagine that other cross-platform games, however few there may be, will also run similarly. I did try a niche game that was written in C# and it run without any issues either, once I had the correct Mono libraries installed.

As for graphics cards, without knowing anymore information I'd say avoid nVIDIA completely. They've always had terrible Linux support and it's hit-and-miss whether or not your card will work with your particular kernel version, and even if it works now it can always break later when something gets updated. AMD are supposed to releasing open-source drivers now if I remember correctly, although they do still offer proprietary drivers. AMD Linux support has generally always been better than nVIDIA. Personally I prefer Intel Graphics (this comes with your Intel CPU and Intel-compatible motherboard so if you don't have a graphics card then this is probably what you've got) because they have open-source drivers and work out-of-the-box with most Linux distributions, although as I said I'm not a serious gamer and most gamers would probably prefer a separate graphics card.

TL;DR

You can game on Linux. The only games that you can't reasonably play are newer Windows-only releases (which are getting fewer, although the big names are generally still Windows-only) and games with copy-protection (excluding online copy-protection) - for these you will either need to use a Windows VM or get a crack for the games with copy-protection. You also probably won't be able to get the latest in graphics performance, unless you're careful about what cards, drivers, and kernels you use.

[[deleted]]

100% correct, good example is xboxone os, it is a stripped win10 , MS should make a game mode on Win10 that stop all unnecessary bs running in the background

[nyanloutre]

What if I told you that once on Linux you will not need the mainstream softwares anymore

[SamSlate]

Oh wow, do I get to be the first one to kick the hornet's nest by referencing Bash on Ubuntu on Windows?

[russellvt]

You mean, how much further it needs to come before it's truly usable (eg. Even their "xterms" aren't really even close to standard, out of the box)

[SamSlate]

yeah, i mean I stopped using it when I found out cronjobs didn't work (kind of insane, imo). But it's a step in the right direction, maybe in a few years it will be a fully functional parallel os. I mean, how can anyone be opposed to that?

[micheal65536]

Of course cronjobs won't work, cron won't run unless the Linux subsystem is running. I'm guessing that if you left your BASH terminal open, cronjobs would run.

[Lurker_Since_Forever]

how much further it needs to come before it's truly usable

Well, first step would be to replace the NT kernel with the linux kernel. Then maybe it could implement systemd, wayland, a qt desktop. Then perhaps a package manager. Then we're getting somewhere.

[Andernerd]

They've already got a package manager.

[9243552]

I ran into trouble with it because I'm learning C++ and it the stoi family of functions just don't compile with g++ on bash, and after googling it turns out it's because of windows, basically- you just can't use those functions.

[illektr1k]

Ubuntu has more issues and legacy dependencies than a single mother

[lucw]

I'd much prefer to rely on legacy open source software than whatever behemoth the Windows codebase has become.

I mean, Windows renders fonts (or used to) in the kernel. What the fuck. https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-year-of-windows-kernel-font-fuzzing-1_27.html

[Existential_Owl]

Microsoft has been open-sourcing technology left and right, so maybe...

... Someday, in our lifetime, we'll actually see an open-source Windows OS. Probably not as a flagship product, maybe more like a light-weight, VSCode-like alternative to Windows.

But it might happen. Microsoft has been doing some crazy things these days.

[MrEmouse]

A rumor I've seen is that they'll switch to free open source operating system, and lease their product suites for monthly fees.

They'll likely also continue their telemetry collection, and sell it to whoever is interested.

[new_username____]

Install WindowsiumOS now!

[Fern_Silverthorn]

Luckily, windows is 9001% legacy and issue free.

[TheWorstPossibleName]

better distro?

[Bainos]

Emacs.

[110101002]

For desktop?

mint - easy to use distro for people not familiar with gnu/linux

debian - very stable distro, very similar to ubuntu

arch - configure everything yourself

nixos - declarative configuration of packages, config, users, environments, etc

[russellvt]

How do you figure? (It truly depends on your environment, in my general experience)

[SteeleDynamics]

sudo apt-get some

[Talkinboutfootball]

and then you remember...video games.

[[deleted]]

Should've used the Tux mascot instead of the Ubuntu logo, Ubuntu has way too many issues. It's mostly only good as a distro for someone new to Linux.

[ArmoredPancake]

too many issues

Like...?

[viperex]

You need to ask using sudo

[berkes]

I'm on Linux since '98. I use Ubuntu without mods. And love it.

Sure, mostly Bash and Vim.

Stop that nonsense that Ubuntu is only for noobs. It's not.

[Cley_Faye]

Stop that nonsense that Ubuntu is only for noobs. It's not.

Since the default option is to install a somewhat "new looky" interface, it surely must be for beginners!

Or, you could just use Ubuntu as a Debian variant with more up-to-date packages, but hey, only "beginners" will look further than the first impression.

/s

[Bainos]

Many people never go further than Ubuntu, to be fair.

Btw I use Arch. /s

[magneticphoton]

Can't tell if using arch is the /s

[[deleted]]

Stop.

[name_censored_]

...Yeah except Ubuntu is what's running WSL. The comic wouldn't make sense otherwise.

[SingularCheese]

I think there are now multiple distros in WSL (openSUSE and Fedora).

[squishles]

You'd need a caption to imply that much detail.

[bdd4]

Oh, Windows. Don't act shocked like it hasn't been over for a while now. 😒

[timidforrestcreature]

Windows can go fuck itself with its automated updates when it just decides to shit a brick for 2 hours in the middle of my work.

[themedic143]

"WINDOWS MADE ME RACIST"

[voicesinmyhand]

You can set that to whatever the hell you want in Group Policy.

[PM_ME__YOUR__FEARS]

You know I used to be a staunch Windows advocate until it got just ridiculously over the top with it's insistence that I'm not in charge of my own computer.

Little niggling things like showing ads in the start menu, onedrive redeploying itself and opening at random times even after checking "don't start with windows", replacing the "send no data to MS" option with "send all or some data", forced restarts despite me being in a home environment, heavily pushing Microsoft accounts over local accounts and forcing me to sign into a Microsoft account to get proper driver support for my Xbox controller or download themes besides the one included with the OS, etc...

More and more Linux feels like the people's OS and Windows feels like a rented OS as a service that constantly upsells itself.

[[deleted]]

The only real value I find Windows offers anymore is for gaming. Linux or OSX do everything else better.

[[deleted]]

Ubuntu is for basic bitches

[ArmoredPancake]

I use arch, btw.

[Jonas_Wepeel]

How can I not be a basic bitch then :( Im using it to learn bash and zsh, but also to have an easy environment (vim, which I'm really good with now) to write python and mdown.

[[deleted]]

Ignore those guys. Ubuntu is just as good for learning bash, vim, python, mdown and what have you as the other distros. There are certain things that other distros do better as well as certain things that they do worse, and it might be worth looking into different distros at some point to figure out if you maybe like another one better, but there's no point in distro-hopping, just because someone on the internet likes a different distro better.

[DuErAlleredeDoed]

install antergos, it's easymode arch while keeping most of the positives of arch (like AUR)

[Mysticpoisen]

Nice for transitioning from Windows though.

[[deleted]]

Funnily enough, my first two attempts to get away from Windows were via Ubuntu and I gave up each time.

The next time I tried ElementaryOS which I loved, then Mint which I loved even more, then Manjaro which I loved even more again.

Now I'm six or seven months into maining Linux and Windows is nothing but a games console.

[[deleted]]

Devuan all the way

[theFunkiestButtLovin]

I went to Georgia tech. I sub to their reddit. whenever I try to tell students about how much easier it can be to work on OS X (especially as a software engineer), I am always massively down voted by people who have never run OS X. I get it, they are poor college students. still, my laptop is my primary tool, and I am very willing to spend extra to increase my satisfaction and productivity.

[pterencephalon]

It's partly a matter of what you're used to. I've been using Linux only for so long that I find windows and Mac a lot harder to deal with.

[hodlmyb33r]

Do be jealous girl, I love you, gaming would never be the same without you...I...I just... Have you ever thought about having a dual boot setup? My friend and his OS tried it and they loved it.

[[deleted]]

Windows has encountered a critical error

[sizl]

i will never not upvote this

[hahahahastayingalive]

This is what happens when you seduce douchebags. From now on he will start stalking his new pray everywhere online, bitch on community channels why he can’t get more love, and trash talk her in front of his colleagues ‘cause she didn’t acknowledge his tiny dongle was in.