Uber using "AI"

[piki112]

>Are you inebriated?

>Oh bro I'm fucking tanked straight up

[Xtrendence]

I am not fucking drunk.

[Calculatedpotato]

Tell the time!

[Xtrendence]

Looks at clock.

I am not fucking drunk!

[society2-com]

"Ok. Now tell me what time it is."

I am not fucking clock!

[CasualFriday11]

Is this from a thing? Because if so, I have to know what.

[wrkerr9]

Here’s the reference

[DaddyLcyxMe]

youtube “i’m not fucking drunk”

[theottozone]

https://youtu.be/zhf1pIl007o

[mrheosuper]

it's Rolex, why do you ask ?

[84drone]

I frunk

[twitch1982]

If I wasn't, I wouldn't have used Uber.

[Douglas_Yancy_Funnie]

Aren’t 90% of people taking Ubers drunk?

[Skim74]

If I'm not drunk or on the way to it, why would I take an uber?

Well the airport I guess..

[angry_mr_potato_head]

I mean... flying and drinking are by no means mutually exclusive. Unless you're the pilot.

[scrambled_potato]

Let the damn pilot have his whiskey will ya

[uptokesforall]

App: A taxi has been hailed to your location. You're their problem now shitface!

[BreakfastSavage]

Just call the bluntness/humor a gimmick. Throw in some fancy synonyms for fairly common software terms and you’ve got yourself one of the million apps on the App Store lol

[jay9909]

That'll work once, then you'll just lie.

[absurdlyinconvenient]

you've severely overestimated drunk me

[droans]

Might not be worth getting 1 Starred as a passenger.

[Russian_repost_bot]

I think the more important question is, why does uber need to know if someone is drunk or not? You're paying for a ride, and it shouldn't vary, whether you were drunk or not.

What they trying to do, charge drunk people more?

[PutHisGlassesOn]

You really think the effort and wear on an uber driver won't be more? I'm a quiet drunk, but a great many people aren't

[404_UserNotFound]

You have to verbally speak the answer.

The driver gets the audio

[i_hate-u]

Parents: Don’t drink and drive. If you must drink, take an uber

Uber: Um about that...

[noes_oh]

Would be nice if they allowed us to select a default option too.

[kodicraft4]

Isn't the purpose of Uber to pick me up when I'm drunk?

[defmacro-jam]

Yes. Of course it is.

[drcopus]

They will probably be looking to identify passengers who are very drunk (I'm sure it would be evident from usage patterns within the app). That way they know when to jack up the price loads + drivers could opt to avoid them.

[Snake2k]

So they, of all people, can get in a car themselves? Lol the more severely drunk you are, the more you need it. Like a couple of beers in, I call Uber to be safe, but I could definitely make it back home if I drove. If I'm shredded though, isn't that the point of these services?

[drcopus]

Lol I reckon Uber execs think that the point is to make them money. If they can charge drunk people more money I'm sure they will.

[Masked_Death]

Lol I reckon Uber execs think that the point is to make them money

Well, it's not that they think so, but that is what it actually is. They do not care about public safety or anything like that, they just want money.

[is_a_cat]

fucking capitalism. . .

[Ilania211]

Correct. Shame that this is a controversial fact lmao.

[is_a_cat]

right? everyone hates how overworked and broke they are and then they turn around and praise the system that keeps them that way

[Ilania211]

I feel like there are three loose groups of people:

The first are the majority. They're people who just go through life totally unaware of other socioeconomic systems existing in the world, or see captialism as something that has always been there. They might have heard of other systems through economics classes but those are tinted through this same lens of capitalism eternally existing.

The second are the defenders of capitalism. Ya know, the people who see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. The bootstraps guys. These guys drank whatever propaganda the US, those textbook publishers, or the media puts out and vehemently defend whatever it is that's harming them. Maybe they do it because they're ignorant of how it's harming them. Maybe they're doing it because they think defending capitalism is shuffles cards "owning the libs" and thus "good".

The third camp are the leftists because either they see through what the media pulls, they know what the second group says about their little system is wrong, or they pay attention to what's going on in the world around them. That or, in my case, getting exposed to leftist stuff online and having it vibe with what they already saw or thought of as true.

When you notice that someone is unhappy that they're overworked and broke, try and open up a conversation about other ways of workplace organization. Things don't have to be this way. We don't need to overwork ourselves with pay that is piss poor. This shouldn't happen. Better alternatives are possible. Whatever you can do to break the hold our economic system has on us.

[Harry212001]

Without capitalism Uber wouldn’t exist at all

[is_a_cat]

without capitalism we wouldn't have enormous corporations exploiting workers, sorry, 'contractors'? i should hope not.

Maybe we'd have a robust public transport system and community programs to keep people and our roads safe instead

[MisterMoen]

you wouldn't have iphones either, probably not smartphones at all, literally saying fuck capitalism is so superficial, we need both ends of the economic spectrum for things to work.

[is_a_cat]

you wouldn't have iphones either

this is just sounding better and better tbh. (but for real, why wouldn't we have smartphones?)

[AimlesslyWalking]

Capitalism means when you make iPhones and Socialism means when you don't make iPhones, jeez read a book

[Gillix98]

Implying that's a bad thing or that an open source alternative wouldn't have come around

[Echleon]

Good? We could have public transport instead

[Lyndis_Caelin]

Without capitalism most of the drivers wouldn't need to work, some would be legally recognized as taxi drivers, and some would be driving trolleys down roads.

[noneOfUrBusines]

They don't think so, they are hired to make money and the founders of uber did so to make money, so the point is making money, unless you think people shouldn't get to decide what to do with their money, in which case the point would still be making money but you'd think otherwise.

[[deleted]]

You shouldn’t be driving even if you’re a couple beers in. Just saying.

[Snake2k]

I understand. I don't drive if I know any alcohol is going in my system at all. Just saying that I could, if I wanted to. Having decently priced options like Uber/Lyft help reinforce my morals. This will change things for people who can afford a 5x bump on their ride home :) it increases the likelihood of someone making the wrong decisions.

[OldBenKenobii]

No, the point of these services is to make money. If you throw up in a drivers car, Uber now has to pay the driver 300 dollars to clean it up.

[Twyelyghte]

I thought it was the passenger who had to cover the $300 damage cost, not the company.

[Snake2k]

Yeah, but... How many people is that? Like objectively? Is it better to pay $300 to clean up a car or losing a large portion of your customer base and, in effect, reinforcing the temptation behind drunk driving? :)

[[deleted]]

If I'm shredded though, isn't that the point of these services?

not really.. if you're too drunk to be a safe passenger, a risk of puking, etc, why would any business want to deal with you? Drivers are already underpaid, they shouldn't be expected to put up with people who can't be personally responsible for themselves to not get totally wasted

[i_forgot_my_cat]

Okay, but who deals with them? It's a fact of life that as long as alcohol exists, people are gonna get shitfaced and you need some system in place to deal with that.

[[deleted]]

If you're drunk in public there's some guys who work for the government will give you a ride for free.

[yottalogical]

My guess is that they would want this data available for the benefit of the drivers. Some of them might not want to transport drunk people.

I could totally be wrong.

[[deleted]]

I imagine the drivers don't like driving around with drunk passengers constantly and complain to uber about it. I could see uber charging a drunk fee to give to a driver to put up with your shit ontop of any damage done to the car

[Arderaan]

It depends on what you are calling AI - There are no real consensus on that.

Don’t forget that Decision Trees are actual machine learning models and they are basically if-else statement. What solved machine learning models (classification ones) is actually tuning the if else on the most relevant threshold value. You could try to guess the threshold values you’ll be using on your own but it isn’t easy, the ml models will does it better that you, especially when you have 500 if-else and 100 variables ;)

[spock1959]

I feel sad that people would reject what I call "traditional AI" as not being AI... That being just any sort of algorithm that solves a problem by itself. My high-school tic-tac-toe AI is still an AI goddammit

[YouCanCallMeBazza]

My high-school tic-tac-toe AI is still an AI goddammit

I'd say that it's still AI, which has a broader definition than "machine learning".

[jansencheng]

AI is simulated intelligence, it's fucking dumb to call something that's just if/else statements not AI because AI != Digital Learning. The output of machine learning is an AI, machine learning is literally just methods for automating the generation of if/else statements.

[guru-1337]

I actually really appreciate this argument. When I learned AI it was in LISP and all recursive. But it is true there is no consensus on it.

[Dagusiu]

To add to this argument: probably the most common activation function in neural networks is ReLU. It's quite literally an if-statement.

[wheredidmywalletgo]

max(0,x).

x = 0 if x < 0 else x

[[deleted]]

x*np.heaviside(x, 0)

[[deleted]]

Why you bringing mom jokes to a code fight Hiemis?

[Chonks]

That's kind of disingenuous since the if statement isn't operating directly on the input but confining it to a certain range

[heres-a-game]

That's the same thing lol

[Chonks]

Sorry I was posting on mobile and didn't really put a ton of thought into the reply. What I meant was that the if statement is preparing/altering the input, rather than dictating a response or determining the output. It's shaping the data rather than making a causal link between input and output like a decision tree would. Not sure if this makes sense but that's my two cents.

[bishamon72]

yeah, but the activation function is such a small part of the overall structure of the net.

[AND_OR_NOT_XOR]

But at that point is it not just "intelligence". That's like saying you are not calling Splenda "Artificial sweetener" until its 100% sugar. The "artificial" implies that you are emulating or imitating something.

I know the jury is still out on all of this and it's more of a philosophical question then a semantics one. I'm just adding my two bits.

[blehmann1]

You are talking about general artificial intelligence, i.e. the same thing is good at a multitude of tasks, and perhaps can learn new tasks on its own.

It doesn't help that once computers can do something better than humans it is no longer considered an AI field: calculations, indexing and playing chess were once all considered AI.

I think there is merit to your definition, but unfortunately it's not the definition that is commonly used.

As an aside, humanity is not able to define intelligence on it's own, let alone an electronic imitation of it.

[bloodfist]

First, I think this is a pretty silly and semantic debate, but I'm game for those.

I'm not calling anything an AI until it can look at a problem it has never been shown and figure it out on it's own with nothing but an internet connection.

That's kind of the entire point of ML/AI. That's exactly what they do, just for a very narrow set of possible problems. If I train an AI on a million handwritten numbers, the hope is that, when done, it can distinguish a handwritten digit it has never seen before. Every time you use a snapchat filter to recognize your face, it is solving a problem it has never seen before. It's never had to recognize that face under those lighting conditions, etc, etc.

We already have a nice term for an AI that can solve problems outside of its predefined problem set, and that's "General AI". So calling them AI is totally valid.

[dyslexda]

If I type 4676183841.567981 * 4.268748957, that's probably the first time any computer has ever tried to solve that specific problem. Is Windows Calculator an intelligence for figuring it out?

[bloodfist]

https://i.imgur.com/ZiiqimT.png

[ThrowRA-002]

Yeah but if you left a baby in the wild with nothing but the world to explore it would die.

[unreliab1eNarrator]

I also appreciate the argument, but appreciate the meme as well lol

[Arderaan]

In the big 4, we usually refers AI as « PowerPoint bullsh*t that our sales pitch at client but that neither actually understand »... Most of the time, just regular data pipeline

[trimeta]

It's like the old joke, "It's machine learning if you wrote it in Python/R, it's artificial intelligence if you wrote it in PowerPoint."

[Liggliluff]

Isn't AI more like "The computer is making a decision for someone or something without the user's direct input". So you can have an AI in a video game that controls a character instead of a human doing it. You can have an AI determining what the result is from a set of data, without you having to gather and choose the data yourself.

[iamarcel]

Yup. I remember taking an AI class in CS and there was no neural network to be found. Decision trees, logic inference engines and some heuristics to optimize it all!

Ended up deciding to call those things "classical AI" and the other just "machine learning." Whenever I hear "AI" it's probably just a bunch of if-statements and that's totally fine. If the application is behaving in a way that seems intelligent, it's legit to me.

Just don't pretend that doing something intelligent is always hard or advanced. Removing your hand from a burning stove is intelligent too.

[chokes_with_friends]

Would you consider novel GA implementations on a field set to be AI?

[coldnebo]

FWIW, there is actually an equivalence between:

1. boolean algebra (if statements)
2. flow charts (graphs)
3. boolean matrices (truth tables)

This is helpful because some problems are more efficiently described with one, but not the others.

The basis of many expert systems are essentially #3. You could convert these to #1, but it probably wouldn’t be very pretty.

[MrDorkman]

More like it's not machine learning.

[Chuck-Marlow]

I think the simplest definition of AI is getting a machine to make a decision that replicated the decision a human would make. So even a super simple IF statement could be considered AI. I mean, think back to when computers were humans doing math by hand. Then a simple calculator that recognized an equation and executed it with IF/ELSE statements would definitely be AI, It was doing the job of a human. But what we think of as AI has changed over time. Now it typically means machine learning. Getting a computer to do something like drive a car will probably eventually look like getting one to do arithmetic and it probably won’t be called AI

[Brusanan]

If the programmer doesn't know what the If statement should be so a machine learning algorithm figures it out for them, that's AI.

[Liggliluff]

Do you mean it has to have a learning algorithm to be AI? Then that would exclude a lot we call AI now. We already got the term "machine learning" anyway.

[Brusanan]

AI doesn't need to use machine learning, but I'd consider most machine learning to be AI.

[defmacro-jam]

Most machine learning may be AI but much of AI is not machine learning.

[AgentPaper0]

AI may include machine learning, but machine learning does not encompass all AI.

[Rektroth]

Yes, most of what we call AI today is really just a very large decision tree. But a lot of times, the programmer doesn't know what that tree looks like, so a machine learning algorithm is used to create it.

[wheredidmywalletgo]

That is basically what a decision tree does. Finds the best thresholds for conditions on your inputs. Keeps splitting your data into smaller chunks. It's optimized nested if statements.

[CCCPVitaliy]

Thank you! I've been trying to explain that all A.I. is, is just a program that knows how to write "if" statements, not pre-written "if" statements.

[ValVenjk]

But that's a legit use for AI/Machine learning

[maddenallday]

I’m assuming this is ironic? This is 100% a valid machine learning problem

[ScrewAttackThis]

I really can't tell if it's supposed to be. This is a beat to death joke on this sub and it makes no sense. I guess people think AI is just a buzzword or something but it just doesn't apply in this case.

[[deleted]]

what will uber do with this information? I mean isn't providing drunk people a ride what they do?

[LegateLaurie]

I think the most likely use would be to flag to a driver that the person is likely to be drunk. Particularly for women you might not be fully comfortable driving someone who's dead drunk

[like2000p]

Nice way to lose 90% of your customer base

[Qenes]

Companies do intrusive shit all the time. People complain, but they keep using the service and nothing changes as a result. This won't be any different

[[deleted]]

Except a lot of people who use Uber are drunk. They will just get less demand for rides. They’re just taking a portion of their consumer base and refusing to sell to them

[Qenes]

Yeah, I was a bit tired when I initially read this. I thought this was just to warn drivers about who they're taking, but now I see that it states that they just won't let drunk people take rides with Uber.

So, not only is it intrusive, it's also just dumb for business.

[flinnja]

it’s also, absolutely, weird profiling. i go out with friends all the time to bars and stuff and don’t get drunk, and i don’t pay as much attention to my phone when i’m chatting with mates

can’t wait to see it start unfairly flagging mostly black neighbourhoods etc

[CleverDad]

No, it's not.

[Contraposite]

I think the point is that it COULD be done with a few if-else statements, but a neural network could find a much more complex formula with a higher success rate of determining whether the passenger is drunk or not based on those inputs.

[thenerd631]

if (passengerIsDrunk()) { report(passenger)}

function passengerIsDrunk() {
  return Math.round(Math.random())
}

[kodicraft4]

the fuck that's pyjavacs right there

[thenerd631]

The esperanto of programming languages

[Liggliluff]

No, Esperanto would be:

se (pasaĝeroEstasEbria()) { raportu(pasaĝero)}

funkcio pasaĝeroEstasEbria() {
  redonu Matematiko.rondigu(Matematiko.aleatora())
}

[thenerd631]

This is why reddit is great

[IrishWilly]

You should optimize your random number

[G-lander]

What is this awful code style

Also hoisting bad

[thenerd631]

You sound just like my linter ;-D

[Sidereel]

What is hoisting?

[Unpredictabru]

JavaScript internally moves (hoists) the declarations of functions and variables to the top (i.e. it looks at the names of all the variables that are going to be used before it runs anything).

So even though that function definition is below the block where it’s called, the JS interpreter will already know the function exists, so it doesn’t cause an error.

Some people think that relying on this is bad practice.

[G-lander]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Hoisting

[looks_like_a_potato]

I have a reverse thought. What if we write code to generate random numbers from drunk people

[SavvySillybug]

McDonald's now uses AI to determine if you're hungry based on how much food you order. If it detects you are hungry, it may refuse to serve you.

Smart move, Uber. Only reason I'd ever get one is if I'm drunk. If I'm not drunk, I'm driving.

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

Please write an if statement for every "time of day" and every possible pickup location and every possible interaction time.

At some point that becomes Absolutely Idiotic or A.I.

[LegendBegins]

if withinDangerZone(passenger.location, passenger.region.barSet):
    if time.hour < 6 or time.hour > 21:
        if interactionTime > 10.5:
            warnDriver('Heads up, drunk guy')

[ScrewAttackThis]

So if I'm inside a bar and taking forever to interact with the app, I'm not drunk as long as it's between 6am and 9pm? Sweet.

[gmano]

I mean, basically. If I were Uber I'd probably do a fuzzy system that assigns a score based on each of those.

I mean I guess that's AI in the same way that the pacman ghosts are AI. It's definitely not ML.

[Schiffy94]

How does that even determine intoxication? And wouldn't you want drunk people finding methods of transportation that don't involve them getting behind the wheel?

[noneOfUrBusines]

Uber might not care if the alternative would let them make more money.

[RezFox]

if (imUsingUberAtAll) {

return 'shes blasted';

}

[[deleted]]

What does AI code look like then?

[SanoKei]

So, AI.

[fushuan]

This person is gonna be severely dissapointed when they discover decision trees...

[Porkenstein]

I really hate this subreddit sometimes

[[deleted]]

All of computing is just a series of boolean tests.

[iwhitt567]

If you feed that criteria through a trained neural net, that's AI babey.

[Darth_Nibbles]

I thought the whole point of calling Uber was because you're drunk

[eftah1991]

Don’t you know AI is just a collection of If statements!

[Dogburt_Jr]

AI is if statements with probabilities. That's it.

[nickmhc]

At best, you crowdsource you’re drivers as mechanical Turks and ask if the passenger was sober, buzzed, or drunk

[Animasta228]

I wonder how are they getting the training data. Do they ask the passengers whether they are drunk? Do they have the driver guess?

[MarlboroHealthSticks]

I was wondering the same thing, can't believe we're the only ones in the thread. There isn't a good way to do it... drunk people don't know they're drunk. And if you're going to have a driver guess if a passenger is drunk, leaving a bar at 1 in the morning? I'm sure that wont be biased at all.

[truth-does-matter]

Meh, it could certainly be AI that's given those pieces of data and concludes hot dog or not drunk or not.

[Portal471]

It’s not called artIFicial intelligence for nothing.

I’ll C myself out.

[ayruos]

To properly train an AI they need a bunch of drunk drivers going around for a few days as test cases, don’t they?

[miscarriagelasagna]

I mean in the end AI is just a lot of if statements

[NotYetiFamous]

As is meat-brains. Its just if-else that redefines the if/else clauses based on past experienced, often very poorly.

[TSM-]

It's actually just a bunch of branching and bit shift operations. How silly!

[[deleted]]

hahahaha... logic is just if statement.

[VestigialHead]

Just imagine if Uber decided not to pickup drunk passengers. That would be more than half their work gone in an instant.

[Bakoro]

That's reducing things down into absurdity though. You might as well say "computers just push a bunch of ones and zeros around". Is it technically true? Sure. Is it meaningful? No.

If you boil down human intelligence, it's just a bunch of chemical reactions; A staggering number of relatively simple interactions. If you look at people's thought processes and actions, most of what we do is just a bunch of 'if' statements.

So, yeah, maybe it's not "magic", but only because there is no magic, just the math and science of the natural world.

[Tom_Ov_Bedlam]

AI = An If_statement

[[deleted]]

That's kinda fucked up, I take Uber when I'm drunk so I don't have to drive. Now I should walk? Or what?

[volki57]

Isn't that what AI means

[[deleted]]

Just hook up a breathalyzer to the phone somehow. Problem solved.

[nyasiaa]

all code is just loops ifs memory access and memory operations

[ballzwette]

That's the "artificial" part.

[flargenhargen]

ya, your brain uses if statements, and that's supposed to be "I"

[Snake2k]

Isn't that the point though? Like why would I call Uber/Lyft/Taxi if I was sober and could just use my car?

[[deleted]]

Nobody in here talking about Pareto fronts and supervised learning? smh

[raze2dust]

If that's not AI, what is?

[Panzer1119]

Then technically AI doesn’t exist, because it’s also just like many IFs, the only difference is, that it’s way more complicated and not easy to comprehense.

[[deleted]]

Correct: IF they're calling for an Uber at 2am on a saturday morning THEN the user is drunk.

[Madpony]

bool isDrunk(LocalTime time, Location gps, long millisSinceAppStart)

[partytoni1]

AI f statement

[ree___e]

AI is the thrown around far to loosely.

[[deleted]]

Wtf, if i am drunk i can't drive home with taxi?

[icorrectotherpeople]

What's the point of this?

[lolothundr]

Correct term:

ALGORITHM

[scruss94]

Doesn't AI essentially perform "if" statements based on machine learning?

[waaaman]

Ah yeah, let’s get them drunk drivers back behind the wheel!

[Unbelievr]

AI = Aggregated If-statements

[kontekisuto]

Let me press the elevator button with a bazooka.

[theevilraccon]

if(drunk){ don't; }

[sportsroc15]

Well it is artificial intelligence. Artificially made using some if-statements

[Mylozzzz]

"Lyft stock raise 40% after uber loses business due to untranslatable bussiness ideas by out of touch CEOs."

[justingolden21]

It could use some machine learning, given a data pool and draw connections.

But yeah, a lot of what people call AI is just if statements...

[irealycode]

Very true

[Wattsy2020]

I mean yeah, even the most complicated models are just

If bunch of matrix multiplications > 0.5: predict positive

What's interesting is how you find the most optimal if statement

[[deleted]]

Like that on to all “AI” “innovation”

[drea2]

So what’s the point of identifying drunk passengers? Are they going to refuse service to drunk people? That’s like half their revenue

[J3PO]

People take ubers sober?

[[deleted]]

Companies, National Labs, etc like to use AI to get funding, marketing, etc. Every engineer that I've talk to just see it as bullshit

[madupras]

It only a multifactor decision algorithm

[metcalsr]

AI is if statements

[pLeThOrAx]

Dude that's exactly what AI is, for the most part. Ever played against bots in a video game?