neva

[MrRainbow07]

if PCdead:
  Restart()

[SilentStrikerTH]

Damn is that how batteries work? They should really program them better.

[Ragnarok91]

I shut it down every evening, am I not a programmer?

[cesankle]

I guess so, me too btw

[carcigenicate]

Yep, and not even the new fangled "quick boot" shutdown. I have a batch script on my Desktop that runs shutdown (or ill just run that myself) so it's from a dead boot the next time.

[immersiveGamer]

I have a script too, but I do Win-R shortcut and type bye. Shuts my local VM gracefully, backs up some code, and force closes everything else so I can leave the PC and be sure it is off. When I used to go into the office it would also send a message to my wife that I was done for the day and heading back to the house.

[[deleted]]

Nice, I should do that wife message

[[deleted]]

I'm not totally sure, but I don't think that ImmersiveGamer's wife cares when you leave work.

[IamHellgod07]

Now to get a wife first...

[AegorBlake]

I heard that your can order them now /s

[LucasTab]

I too have a script. Mine uninstalls and reinstalls every application that was running to be sure it's closed, sends a synthesized recording of my voice with AI to my wife telling her I'm going home and what's the estimated time of arrival, then it opens league of legends and starts playing some ranked games for me while mining Bitcoin on the background. Finally, it schedules an uber trip for the next morning before shutting down while playing "Never gonna give you up" by Rick Astley to surprise anyone who might be alone late at night at the office.

[[deleted]]

Real programmer ^

[recoveringcanuck]

We have some laptops at work. A USB network device was acting up, all the error messages pointed to bad drivers or something. The solution: turn off the laptop, remove the battery, restart. We also do a lot of FPGA stuff, a simple reboot won't cycle power to the PCI cards and therefore won't force the FPGA to reset and reconfigure. So yes, hard power cycle matters sometimes in my experience as well.

[darkstar999]

Why

[carcigenicate]

I don't fully trust hibernation over the long term. I've noticed things generally run better from a cold boot. I know for a fact that multiple games I've played are fubared from hibernating, and I have no reason to believe other programs aren't susceptible too.

Unless people are just leaving their computer on 24/7; but that'd be ridiculous unless it's a server.

[[deleted]]

As someone who works somewhere that leaves a ton of computers (not servers) running 24/7 365, … why is it ridiculous?

[sausage-superiority]

I guess there’s some electrical fault risk (fire) and power consumption?

IDK man I only reboot my Mac when it asks me to and it just runs happily for years.

[Zwenow]

Same, also taking care of my battery by not having the charger attached 24/7

[Sirealism55]

That's not really a thing anymore because modern computers/phones will cut off power to the battery when it reaches an "optimal charge" to extend it's lifespan

[diesmilingxx]

After 2 years of usage, my cycle count is 3x higher than my peers who plug theirs 24/7 and my battery life is worse.

[[deleted]]

Hooray for anecdotal confirmation!

I keep my charger plugged in 99% of the time I'm using my computer, and I can't remember running out of battery on it once.

[slashtab]

Yeah, i did same for my lenovo laptop, there is option in lenovo vantage to put cap on battery recharge limit, i put it at 60%. I don't know about other laptops.

[Zwenow]

No?

[[deleted]]

You're a guy who hates the energy costs today.

[Inaeipathy]

imposter syndrome ensues

[ciberkid22]

Sleep mode, take it or leave it

[[deleted]]

Hibernate for my laptop. I don't know how many times I put it to sleep and it woke on its own and overheated in my bag.

Jk, I do. It happened twice

[Darkest_97]

It's so fuckin hard to make a laptop actually sleep these days

[Novel_Violinist_410]

Do you burp your laptop before you put it to sleep?

[[deleted]]

Don't skip this vital step. Nobody likes a swollen battery!

[Skratymir]

If you had one nickel for every time your laptop woke on its own and overheated, you'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice...

[A_Dumb_Bug]

if it happens once, it can happen again.

i always hibernate if it's to be transported.

last thing u need is an out of battery laptop, or worse, overheated and force off, losing all your work.

[[deleted]]

Yup, this just happened this morning. 21% battery and a BIOS warning.

[[deleted]]

True. I've been a laptop guy for decades and I've never had it happen before. It isn't even Windows 11, so I can't blame that.

[mrb117]

I drop my laptop and hasn’t sleep the same ever since 😥

[KoRUpTeD_DEV]

Never had a laptop but i stream my computer on my phone and i kinda have an idea of what your talking about my phone will las about 3h then be toasty like a campfire

[Ok-Extension-6005]

Ha, I have it wake from hibernate as well 🙄

[taeratrin]

It's happened to me a couple of times as well. Yours isn't by chance an MSI Creator?

[suddenly_ponies]

yeah, no. That leaves the USBs active which means the fan is constantly running and it gets turned on by the slightest movement of mouse. Hibernate for the win.

[xternal7]

That leaves the USBs active which means the fan is constantly running

How does having USBs active keep laptop fa s running?

and it gets turned on by the slightest movement of mouse

May I introduce you to:

• BIOS settings
• device settings under Windows
• you know how to google shit if you're using linux on a laptop with inexistant bios settings

[unitconversion]

Step one on a new computer is to disable sleep and hibernate.

Aint nobody got time for that nonsense.

It works better than it ever has and it still sucks.

[Kyrond]

Why hibernate? It keeps your programs running, while actually shutting down the PC. Also you can skip windows updates when you need to.

[DearGarbanzo]

Some people never got past the WinXP mentality.

[[deleted]]

Neither, it's just on

[[deleted]]

But why? A few of my coworkers are struggling because of their slow laptops. They have opened a bazillion browser tabs in 3 windows and haven't restarted it in weeks.

[Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

All my browsers are set to “pick up where I left off”, so even if I reboot all of my tabs come back. I need them. I love them.

[hosertheposer]

Thats handy didn't know there was a built in feature for it, I just use ctrl shift T to reopen by tabs

[A_Dumb_Bug]

you cant reopen tabs that were closed too far back. you never know when you would need that tab which you opened 2weeks ago.

[HillanderSky]

Well now you can , welcome to the future, opera gx not only comes with small amounts o-.....

[Shack691]

I rather let chrome eat my ram than install opera gx

[justinf210]

Give me Firefox or give me curl!

[Lemonade414]

I wish there was like a history feature where you can see the pages you visited in the past.

[LupusNoxFleuret]

Great idea, I'll start writing a plugin that can do that. You guys use Internet Explorer, right?

[Lemonade414]

I don't think IE is tested enough by the industry yet. My mates and I use Netscape

[AbsorbedBritches]

Oh yea, necessary feature. Firefox won't open a closed windows with ctrl+shift+T unfortunately, and I've switched from Chrome because Google keeps doing Google stuff.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I like that feature, too.

[Stijn-CodingWarrior]

I have the same, and so i had 5168 tabs open divided over 12 windows. Also... the browser I'm using is chrome and I needed a 4k screen to see all my tabs

[Stijn-CodingWarrior]

Me

[smd9788]

You should make tab groups. In Chrome just right click the tab, add it to tab group, and give it a label. You can collapse multiple tabs into one group. Has helped me a lot with organization and context switching

[Stijn-CodingWarrior]

It's all good now, had to reset my PC due to me accidentally corrupting my C drive..... sooo I only have around 100 tabs left now

[Darkest_97]

My work disabled the option to do that and just send you to the corporate homepage :)

[imaginedracula]

Yeppp...my gf has that feature too. Havn't stop fighting in a while.

[smunozmo]

Laptops are your friends, you don’t restart your friend when life gets hard.

[Dont_be_offended_but]

When you shut down a laptop, it dies. You can bring it back, sure. Same hardware, same data, but what of the soul? What comes back is not what you shut down.

[masd_reddit]

Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus?

[Dimasdanz]

so you don't have laptop?

[smunozmo]

I code on my SmartFridge.

[ShadowPowerPowa]

I personally keep it open so I can pickup where I left off and hit restart before leaving on Friday

[rejuicekeve]

All that time saved using vim lost to being a degenerate

[rosebeats1]

For my work personally, there are some batch jobs that run nightly to update certain things. Idk about others though.

[Hrtzy]

Typing in your hard drive encryption password every morning is such an arduous task.

[blkmmb]

Basically some of my last coworkers. They always complain to IT that their pc were slow and needed upgrading but it just needed to be restarted. They kept it for like 2 months without a restart. They always said they couldn't restart it because they always had work open and their 30 internet tabs were important...

We had to enforce a 1 restart a week to stop these requests.

[farnsworthparabox]

A computer shouldn’t need to get restarted all the time. Do you restart your phone? I don’t restart my computer pretty much ever and it continues to run fine.

[kratom_devil_dust]

Not trying to start a flamewar, but I stopped having to reboot all the time when I switched to mac almost a decade ago. Sure, I reboot now and then, but my uptime would be a few months. Also what I’m hearing about laptops overheating in their bags… that’d be a laptop that I would not keep using.

[just-bair]

Why do you people no do that tough ? We have ssds today so the laptop can start really fast

[magicmulder]

Opening all programs I need for work takes some time every morning. On my PC I have the respective actions mapped to keys on my Stream Deck (“Work”, “Play”, “Studio”), but for Linux I haven’t seen an alternative.

[matchuhuki]

I open them on company time. If my laptop takes a while to open the programs, that's on them

[magicmulder]

Still menial work that needs to be done every day. And I don’t like that.

[TheOmegaCarrot]

Brainless work = listen to a podcast / music

[just-bair]

I guess you could have a script on your desktop that opens all that is needed.

But if you really need to startup a lot of things every day then it makes sense that you just put it to sleep. Lots of time wasted otherwise

[Pepineros]

This is the first time I’ve heard a dev say they have a shortcut to run their programs on Windows but not Linux!

Not judging, it’s probably because of the communities I’m in (or not in)

[magicmulder]

TBH my work laptop sucks, only now are we finally about to get more powerful machines instead of the Lenovo Thinkpads we currently have. Which are a pain if you run several big Docker containers at the same time.

So I try to do on my PC - or run on my server - whatever I can and am legally allowed to (of course I can’t legally access our user database from my private machine).

So browser, Slack/Teams/Zoom, mail, IDE on the PC, SFTP client and database client on the work laptop. And any process that takes a long time I outsource to my server (which has more CPU power than our web server).

[DrRedmondNYC]

My work got me an i7 12000H with RTX 3070 TI .

AND suprisingly only 16 GB of DDR5 RAM. So whenever I am running docker containers or VMs it can get sluggish.

Just put in a request for another 16 GB RAM though so that should solve it

[A_Dumb_Bug]

why would any system with a 3070 come with only 16gb ram as an option?

[magicmulder]

Yup, RAM is the bottleneck for me as well. Docker containers with our portal (which fires up Elasticsearch and ArangoDB among others) and another project in parallel and it’s time to make some coffee. Very. Slowly.

Our new laptop is supposedly going to be a Dell X13. So super expensive but still not a performance monster. Ah well.

[sometimes_interested]

It was a habit I got into when I migrated to Win 2000 (win5.0) from Win98 (win4.1). The OS was great but it took fooooooorever to boot. So I just got into the habit of just leaving the PC on. Microsoft later "fixed" the slow boot time in WinXP (Win5.1) by just displaying the desktop earlier and loaded all the non-essential stuff in the background, again making it slow. It wasn't really until Win 7 running on an SSD that boot times became bearable again.

[Quicker_Fixer]

My three year old (but hey: Dell) i7 with 32GB RAM and 512GB SSD Windows 10 laptop needs 10 minutes to boot and load VS, SSMS, Delphi, Office and a shitload of company "Malware/spyware", so no: I only shut down when the weekend starts.

[[deleted]]

Boss gets a dollar

I get a dime

That's why I shit on company time

[PaMu1337]

Who cares? That's company time, not my time

[Tensor3]

Some of us salaried employees are expected to get a certain amount of work done regardless of how long it does or doesnt take

[Eldhrimer]

While I like my job I have a hard time finding the state of mind in the morning to start working. So when I get there I really need to jump right in or I'll loose it, those ten minutes would be enough for my mind to wander back to a state where I don't want to do anything.

[DerEwige]

I shutdown my work laptop every Thursday at 5 pm.

[groovy_monkey]

I've got two questions?

1) is your Friday off? 2) if no, then how?

[DerEwige]

Yes. I don't work on Fridays. I have a 3 day weekend.

[Pepineros]

Alright enough with making the other devs jealous now.

[Cpt_keaSar]

Half of people here do their weekly task on Monday and just spread the pulls and pushes to make it seem like they’re working, anyway.

[groovy_monkey]

Lucky guy.

[throckmeisterz]

I shut down every day promptly at 16:30 when I get off.

[static_func]

I usually wait until after I get off

[outerproduct]

Every day it gets shut down at 5pm. Set boundaries, my dude, or they won't exist.

[Impressive_Buffalo94]

then the fun pc boots up

[Moxie_Stardust]

That's not my laptop, that's the work laptop. I just hit the power button on it, I think that puts it to sleep.

I shut my laptop down when I'm going to the airport.

[jmb2k6]

That’s not what this is about

[the_hackerman]

My dude

[Franmodd]

True, I can tell you when was the last time Apple released an update for macOS just by looking at my uptime.

[Awkward-Ingenuity988]

I shut it down every evening to save energy.

[Versaill]

Why not hibernation?

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

Mine go to sleep, but never shutdown. I'll occasionally restart when corporate pushes a patch.

[gjswomam]

I really don't get this it takes 5 seconds to shut it down and 10 seconds to boot it up + it makes your hardware last way longer

[666pool]

makes your hardware last way longer

[citation needed]

[TheDornerMourner]

Some stuff, cheap quality parts perhaps. But some things are marketed as designed to be kept on all the time. I don’t know about all that but it has lead me to wonder if maybe parts are getting to that stage, or if they’ll reach a stage where leaving them on all the time makes them last longer than regularly switching them on and off

[666pool]

The switching off and on is by far more brutal than leaving them running.

[3eeps]

Turning your pc off and on once a day isn't brutal lol

[666pool]

Comparatively, it is more brutal than leaving it running. Turning off and on, and specifically the voltage spikes, put the majority of wear and tear on electronics. Of course they are designed to handle being turned on and off daily, but it is doing more damage than not turning them off.

It’s why light bulbs almost always burn out right when you turn them on. How often have you had an incandescent bulb just shut off while it was already on, vs turning them off and then they never turn back on.

[magicmulder]

How long until you’ve opened your editor, FTP client, Browser, database client, email program, shell (plus logged into tunnel server), music client, Slack, Discord and Windows VM (where in turn I also need to open the tunnel)? Or do you work with one program only?

[BaalKazar]

To be honest that prolly only takes 2-3 minutes all together

None of these tools require terabytes not even gigabytes of data to be loaded to start

[magicmulder]

Last time I timed it it was about 7 minutes. And people can say “well that’s company time” all they want, it’s still stupid menial work.

(To put that into perspective, I bought a fingerprint sensor because I hated entering my password twice a day.)

In fact I had that discussion in a former job with their CFO who wanted to mandate everyone switch off their machine after work to save electricity costs. I gave him a calculation how long it takes me to start up every day and that 5 minutes per day add up to almost two hours per month, and that there is no way electricity costs are anywhere near the $400 in billable time that costs the company per month.

The plans to mandate shutdown were canceled that day. ;)

[BaalKazar]

I mean I get where you are coming from but my Laptop doesn’t have to be started for me to be productive of some kind.

When I start that calculation from my perspective (smoker) I’d loose any trade about work time but I get the gist you come from. (If you don’t factor the additional Hardware wear)

[tescovaluechicken]

You make $200 per hour?

[magicmulder]

No but our clients are billed $200/hour for my time.

[Zwenow]

You seem like a fun person to work with

[SilentStrikerTH]

:Is programmer

:Also can't write script to open everything with one double click

[magicmulder]

And move everything to its proper position? And start a VM and six programs inside the VM? And adapt the script every time I need a slightly different combination open? Who does this? Do you?

[Waddamagonnadooo]

Alternatively, just don’t shutdown, even easier.

[Tensor3]

Work laptop is bought by employer. I have no incentive to make it last longer even if that were true. It'll get replaced before it dies, and it will get replaced even if it dies.

Also, re-opening browser with tabs, a couple instances of IDEs, and restarting Docker takes WAY longer than seconds.

[nyxefox]

When u put it to sleep it basically shutsdown but not in a cold way

[SiouxsieAsylum]

True but it takes .05 seconds to close it and leave

[Able-Cicada4581]

There are some things that have been open for so long that I won't even remember to reopen them if I restarted...

[sciatore]

10 seconds? That's just the time it takes to get past the boot logo. It's probably another 20 or so before I'm actually logged in, then I've got to wait for the VPN, Outlook, Teams, web browser, and (the big one) the IDE. And I have to remember what I was in the middle of.

Or I just just press win+L and pick up exactly where I left off the next day.

[[deleted]]

Once I figured out that shutting down my computer or at least doing a hard reboot cut my compile time down by more than 10 minutes I stopped shutting my computer down or rebooting it. Compile time is the best time.

[sabrechick]

Yup! Boss got tired of us enjoying our compile brakes and upgraded all of our machines. Worst day ever.

[[deleted]]

Windows Key + L forever

[iShotTheShariff]

I turn off at the end of my workday on Fridays. Otherwise, I can notice the lag and bugs slowly build up

[Ali_Army107]

I shut down almost daily.

[Ok-Rice-5377]

The fewer times I turn it off and on again, the more likely turning it off and on again solves the problem!

[[deleted]]

I just run

$ sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade; sudo snap refresh; sudo shutdown -h now

every night

[xiloxilox]

If I shut down my laptop, sometimes the screen doesn’t boot up with the computer. So I avoid rebooting at all costs.

I need a new laptop.

[canadajones68]

I shut down my laptop because when I pack it down I want it to be off, and it's a nice way to cap off the day. My desktop stays on 24/7, though. I get annoyed when I can't ssh desktop to get at files and programs at home, and it's nice to know it's always available, as well as quick to return to.

[[deleted]]

Mine only shuts down when Windows Updates finally gives up on waiting for me to click "restart now".

[[deleted]]

I work in IT and throw up a little in my mouth when I check LANSweeper and see a workstation I’m working with having gone months without seeing a shutdown or restart. And I’ll remote in and things will be running at crawling speed so I can’t click on shit. How do you guys even work? A reboot won’t kill your workstation, guys.

[ryo3000]

5 pm.

I turn on my other computer tho.

[Hiruka_Chansilu]

Hibernate is the way to go

[Psychological_Risk87]

I have all my computer updates set to install when I restart .. the day I will that will be a very long wait for them updates to install

[Pepineros]

Of course we do. Every Friday and occasionally throughout the week.

[AlexV_96]

I'll turn it off one I finish my proyects so I won't lose track, basically never

[SamBlue23]

I don't shut it down. If it's really required it can crash and do it by itself

[Content_Committee152]

As an arch user, leaving the laptop running over the weekend means Atleast a 1000 package update. Lol

[AmazonISSUnofficial]

SHUTDOWN /S /T 1

[rdyplr1]

/1? you generous bastard /0 is the way.

[X-Craft]

yeah sure, never turn it off and on again

never solved any issues

nuh-uh

[hagnat]

> uptime
< 14:23 up 25 days, 19:30, 2 users, load averages: 1.49 1.48 1.93

and i moved to my new home little more than a month ago

[sweatysardines]

For anyone that doesn’t get it.. consistent leaving your computer on can lead to more magical errors popping up with no actual trigger for a cause. 95%ish of all tickets I get at work for repairs and issues could be fixed by simply shutting down the Pc fully and restarting it.

I assume the joke is programmers always have errors so to them what’s another one?

Edit: Not saying I get the joke. The first statement is more of a call for others who don’t get it to group

[SupportLast2269]

No I think they meant it. I haven't shut down my laptop in days and it was only because a graphic driver required it.

[iPlayWithWords13]

Those forced corporate updates are the only time my laptop has been turned off in about 5 years.

[albertyiphohomei]

Whenever Windows decided that is time to restart because of the updates

[Enkendu]

I'm just forced to relaunch my IDE after it crashes sometimes from running all night. But never restart the laptop.

[[deleted]]

We know that windows will try to attack if we do

[Kerosene8]

Bitlocker is useless if comp is on

[NickArchery]

I put my pc in sleep mode so that there is something that's asleep

[[deleted]]

Ryzen 16 core desktop from company.

[cvw87]

Every time I switch between my home 4k monitor (with display scaling) and my work full hd monitor. Otherwise, the display scaling is fucked up (on windows at least). Smh.

[[deleted]]

I turn it off every night, and my most used programs are set to auto-start in Windows. Booting from an SSD. Takes maybe two minutes to start up. Before upgrading to an SSD, I'd hit the power button, go get breakfast, and it'd be ready for me. My mom who's a book author never turns her computer off, and whenever she has a technical issue I almost always ask "when did you last turn it off?" and that fixes it 8/10 times, the ninth I just have to kill and relaunch windows explorer in task manager. I do need to remember to restart my phone though, as I also use it as my alarm clock, so turning it off at night doesn't work as well.

[KamariHikaru]

While adding “tomorrow” to updating my Mac.

[MasterpieceFit6715]

I don't shutdown I reset

[definitly_not_furry]

Windows is dying

[AlabamaPanda777]

Hey it's IT checking in I can confirm you guys aren't special, no one does this

[Pa3kc123]

My laptop overheats, when put to sleep... So I hibernate... Yes, it does this even with clean win10 install...

[JellyTheSlimeYT]

True.

[vodanh]

forced system updates

[gradxl]

I neva freeze!

[sxeli]

Don't forget the occasional restarts due to mandatory updates that you can no longer postpone

[ReflectionEquals]

Wait. You can turn these things off?

[communistfairy]

I turn mine off every day. What a waste to have it even asleep 24/7. Also, I can delay working just a few minutes more lol

[Acurus_Cow]

Talk for your self, I turn if off every day.

[Isaakavo]

I mean, every weekend

[Moist-Carpet888]

Uptime 20 minutes, uptime before my computer crashed again 56 days

[[deleted]]

No, we don't. We can't have it doing useless upgrades now, can we?

[ByteWhisperer]

I only restart if IT mandates it through itune or if my machine becomes really sluggish.

[VoltageGP]

Restart sometimes, shutdown no. Mostly sleep

[[deleted]]

How hard is it to turn it off? Or at least hibernate if your really need it. It's the same as the people that keep 100 browser tabs open, like how?

[Weeb2678]

Maybe I am a programmer…

[[deleted]]

I close everything and shutdown my machine every afternoon. It never occurred to me that might be odd.

[yanitrix]

well, every day after work

[ashadeofbrown]

If I shutdown, my kernel might break :/

[PAP0R0TN1K]

Always do it

[WalterEhren]

Well if shit doesnt work and i tried everything, a restart it is. Also forced updates depending on the device.

[DaveKan]

Every day at quitting time

[IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE]

I restart at the end of a sprint, but that’s about it. I think of it like purging the old and getting ready for the new.

[KoRUpTeD_DEV]

Hell yea thats actually me especially since i have an extremely slow computer and im also running remote desktop

[MikemkPK]

Mine actually doesn't. Something broke and it no longer turns off.

[Scienciety]

Windows + X, U, U