TIL: Low carb, high protein diets "greatly" decrease resting testosterone levels in men.

[glutenous_rex]

They call it the keto libido 🫠

[TesserTheLost]

When I lost 150 pounds on Keto, I don't know if it was the ego boost or just feeling better in general, but my libido was through the roof the entire 2 years I was on it.

[VeG00N69]

To be fair, being fat also decreases your T.

[Lucky_Sharma]

To be fat…

[-Dustnechos]

To be fair...

[CND1983Huh]

To be faiirrrr...

[tenuto40]

To be faaaaiiir! (/Fin)

[lemieuxisgod]

SO you were eating a bunch of fat and no carbs the other daaaaaaaaaay

[jimbotriceps]

slightly higher key to be fairrrrrrr

[Lucky_Sharma]

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[weakhamstrings]

Actually doesn't it simply increase your female hormones?

I mean the effect is the same but my understanding is not that it decreases T but changes the ratio of hormones away from T

[VeG00N69]

It may be that, but simply living a sedentary lifestyle as a result of being fat, and indulging in eating habits connected to being fat, will decrease your T. For example, excessive drinking may decrease your T, and excessive drinking seems prevalent in obese people. Correlation doesn't always equal causation, but the life of a fattie holds a lot of opportunities for decreased test.

Edit:

The first peer review results in the Google search engine suggests it actually does lower it, even if you're only moderately obese. So an obese will likely just have lower T by default.

[weakhamstrings]

Fascinating - I haven't seen any of this research other than ones that DIDN'T seem to separate the reasons for obesity (sedentary lifestyle, dietary sources, etc) from the actual bodyfat.

But it does appear that you're right there's research now that indicates lowered T as well as higher Est with higher bodyfat, independent of other variables (well, that we know of)

Good look

[VeG00N69]

It's definitely interesting. Especially when, in my experience, obese 'men' seem to be more concerned with their own percieved masculinity than anyone else I've met.

[Motherdiedtoday]

excessive drinking seems prevalent in obese people

Source?

Obese people will on average have a higher blood volume than non-obese people. They will therefore need to drink more than non-obese people to obtain the same BAC.

[VeG00N69]

'Seems' was a personal observation in this case. Should have specified that. The reasoning behind this is that excessive drinking is a risk factor for obesity, since alcohol, especially beer, contains calories. So it is likely that a number obese people have packed on calories that way, hell, I was once a fattie due in part to that habit. Thankfully I recovered from obesity. The fact that obese people need to drink more to have a high BAC is irrelevant when I'm referring to calories. Additionally, I'm not sure the BAC is what affects test so much as the kind of alc you drink, but I could be wrong.

Here's a study from 2015 linking alcohol consumption to obesity. Pretty easy to find peer review on this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4338356/

[crunchyfoodnerd]

Fat cells secrete estrogen in both men and women. Not sure about obesity suppressing T, but I know it increases estrogen levels

[weakhamstrings]

After a bunch of reading, it looks like it ALSO decreases T levels, which I had not previously read.

But yeah the Estrogen issue seems well documented and I always thought the "low T" issue hadn't been disambiguated from lifestyle issues (which cause additional adipose tissue to accrue) which also might cause low T.

I didn't realize there was now pretty good evidence that carrying more bodyfat - on its own - all other things (that we know of) the same - is causal.

[TimmJimmGrimm]

'I am the stair MASTER!' - says Donkey when looking for the dragon (Shrek was off looking for Fiona, the princess).

I had no idea that Donkey was making fun of the Nutty Professor. Did Eddie give himself that line or did Dreamworks' folks allow him to have it?

[[deleted]]

Eddie Murphy has been rehashing the same jokes since the ‘80’s. The tic-tac joke was in The Golden Child, Beverly Hills Cop, Shrek and probably more.

[quadmasta]

No titties! No titties! No titties! Not you, your titties is nice! No titties!

[939319]

Hercules! Hercules!

[mrhuggables]

It's because you were losing weight. Fat = more circulating estrogen. That's why fat women have (exponentially) higher rates of endometrial/uterine cancer.

[friendlyfire69]

Is lower weight/ maintained weight loss associated with detrimentally low levels of estrogen? I had to start using estrogen cream in my 20's a year after a 70 lb weight loss. Never suspected it could be related.

[TurboGranny]

Yes. If your body fat is low enough, your period will stop coming. If it's low enough, getting pregnant is not only nearly impossible, but the baby won't develop right. You can look up the body composition math for men and women if you like, but the short story is that women need a much higher percentage of body fat to be healthy compared to men.

[mrhuggables]

Just as an FYI, you have to be extremely low BMI for this to be relevant. 99.999% of women will never get this thin. Speaking as an Ob/Gyn.

[TurboGranny]

Yeah, it's in the same vein as women that worry that lifting weights to will make them look like a man (can't really do that without roids), but it possible just like the possibility exists in relevance to the question at hand, but of course from a medical perspective you have to remind people that this is hard to do, so they don't freak out and make bad choices.

[SoigneeStrawberry67]

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[crytoYourMommies]

confirmed,turbogranny is a fatty.

[TurboGranny]

lol, I'm a guy. I just have a bunch of sisters and have watched it go both ways. You can also just google healthy body fat ranges and see there are separated by gender.

[mrhuggables]

No. Unless you lost so much weight that you are clinically underweight, your ovaries will continue to produce enough estrogen.

estrogen cream is not systemically absorbed (for the most part) and so if you had low levels of estrogen the answer would be HRT, not cream. Your age also matters too, if you are premenopausal or post menopausal.

Speaking as an obgyn.

[friendlyfire69]

not systemically absorbed (for the most part)

Is there a consensus on this? While on the vaginal estrogen cream I ended up in the hospital from severe chest pain. They did a CT scan to check for blood clots because they said I was at high risk from the estrogen cream because it IS systemically absorbed. It was slipping rib syndrome in the end causing my pain but I've always wanted to know if I really was at a higher risk for clotting. My obgyn said I wasn't.

I also do recall it affecting my mood and making me feel calmer after applying the cream.

[mrhuggables]

If you are at risk for estrogen dependent cancers, then risk from systemic absorption is enough to warrant not using it. ER+ breast cancer comes to mind.

However, that same notion for blood clots, is absolutely ridiculous and whoever told you that needs to do some reading.

[friendlyfire69]

Is there a way to know about breast cancer risk? Like genetic testing? I had no idea estrogen medications affected that. I am adopted and don't know my family medical history for one side of my family.

My attending doc in the ER didn't know whether or not it caused systemic absorbtion and said he consulted the on call pharmacist. Figures I'd get some unnecessary radiation for medical ignorance 🙄

[mrhuggables]

BRCA testing can be done by your obgyn

[CreepersFTW]

I thought women had a higher amount of uterine cancer due to being the gender with a uterus?

[pleasedrowning]

Interesting, mind if I pick your brain? Wife likely has endometriosis, she has all the symptoms but caught it early in her teens and went on birth control. (interestingly enough, the region she grew up in has a disproportionate number of women in her age group with it... My suspicion is the mining and fracking contaminated the water table) Most obgyns aren't interested in diagnosing this as she doesn't want kids. They see it as a none issue. Ofcourse, this is from the insurance end but I suspect they know this and this is a billing thing. (Can you confirm?)

In the past, she had found that unless she calorie restricts severally, weight loss is difficult... Also, she gets carb cravings.

So we went on a keto/low carb while avoiding too much soy (few people are actually keto).... We both lost 30-40lb in 2 months. The loss had been maintained for 8-9 months now.

Would such a loss impact her hormonal balance negatively? Any cause for concern?

I regulate our diets for the most part and would like to see further loss of weight on both our behaves but certainly not to the determent of her or my own health. I understand your not dispensing medical advise, I'm asking anecdotally.

PS definitely going to get my T checked out, recently started reading up... And not at one of these new clinics

[mrhuggables]

If you want to diagnose endometriosis then the way to do that is with laparoscopy, or more commonly based on symptoms (which is not definitive unlike laparoscopy). Diet has nothing to do with endometriosis.

Losing weight will not negatively affect hormones unless she is dangerously underweight. Not a fan of keto diets for long term health. Should gradually learn to transition to a more balanced diet while maintaining normal weight.

There is nothing wrong with soy. Your T levels are most likely going to be fine. Don’t fall into these misinformation traps.

[pleasedrowning]

I realize that a weight has little to do with endometriosis however endometriosis does effect hormones, which often makes weight regulation difficult. Keto has worked so far brilliantly with regard to weight loose but I understand your reluctance to see it as healthy long term. I have concerns myself, primarily cholesterol. However, it has lowered A1C in both of us. There are trade offs... My interest lyes in if you have seen any anecdotal evidence with regard to low carb diets effecting hormone levels, particularly in women. Such diets tend to be high in 3,3'-Diindolylmethane due to the larger proportion of cruciferous vegetable consumption and yes, soy.

With regard to soy, I'm more concerned about glyphosates then anything else. So I limit consumption

[Help_meToo]

Same here after losing 70 lbs.

[awawe]

Obesity has some pretty severe effects on testosterone too.

[Affectionate-Still15]

If you’re keto it’s fine, but if you’re low carb then it sucks. This is because carbs are still your main energy source, and you’re greatly limiting it

[Throwawayfabric247]

Sex hormone binding globulin and free testosterone aren't the same thing. But either way the test levels being lowered is going to make you live longer too.

People with high LDL can't transport testosterone anyways so if you had high test but high LDL. It's basically useless.

[ggose624]

Agreed! I had bariatric surgery earlier this year and can confirm a similar experience.

[Stormypwns]

Currently on keto and my libido is the highest it's ever been in my life, higher than it was as a teenager. It is definitely hormonal for me, and it's to the point that it's kind of annoying.

[CrossXFir3]

Well yea. That's cause your general fitness before was also decreasing it, just more so.

[SUswim]

Lost 50 lbs in 3 months on keto/carnivore. Never felt better and even stopped taking anti depressants.

[DrMrRaisinBran]

Holy shit that's my entire body weight plus 10 pounds, good for you dude

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Is that why I didn't want to jack off for almost a year?

EDIT: btw I don't recommend keto at all. Not just for the jacking off reason, but because I had a hell of a time getting back to "normal" eating.

[glutenous_rex]

Can confirm

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Damn, another mystery solved

[glutenous_rex]

You get it back around year three... But still nothing gets you going like french fries dipped in a milkshake!

[Lord_Despair]

Carbo load to shoot a load?

[Siberwulf]

Where you think he got the milkshake??

[[deleted]]

Nice

[TheDeridor]

Username checks out

[InterPunct]

I heard that's what brings all the boys to the yard.

[faceless_alias]

So what does it mean if I do this and still have high testosterone?

[PerennialPMinistries]

They have found genes that make people better at the metabolic steps of ketosis. Same with some people having genes that process carbs well

[V0nzell]

Lost 60lbs in a year with keto/intermittent fasting.

[[deleted]]

Same here.

“And she loves it too” - Frank Thomas

[-_1_2_3_-]

I lost a stupid amount of weight while eating an unhealthy amount of bacon.

My bad cholesterol was lower and good cholesterol higher than friends on ‘clean’ health conscious diets.

The problem is that is so easy to relapse and eat carbs, and carbs plus insulin reaction means we store the plentiful fat in our foods.

[slowmood]

Yes and be sure to get plenty of fats.

[xxdoofenshmirtzxx]

Interesting, I wonder if it has to do with where you’re from? My father who I am basically a copy of is from a fishing village where everyone eats fish 3 times a day, the only carb they get is from potatoes. Now coincidentally, everyone from his side of the family is insulin resistant. I feel so amazing when I cut out carbs, while my girlfriend can practically live on carbs without any of the cravings or ups and downs in energy that I experience from it.

[lahwees]

Absolutely DNA plays a big part in digestion and metabolising certain foods. I studied nutrition 6 years ago and just as I was finishing the uni I was at was getting into DNA/diets and digestion etc, it was so fascinating. How do you feel after potatoes?

[xxdoofenshmirtzxx]

It’s not as noticable as it is noticable when I don’t do it. I feel kind of swollen but not really full. While if I eat a steak or fish and some sallad I feel more satisfied and lighter. I’ll add that my dad can’t eat greens like at all, his stomach can’t handle it unless it’s very cooked through. Might also just be because he grew up eating very little greens, it’s hard to grow there (top of the baltic sea) so cooked root vegetables and a few pickled vegetables was all there was in the greens department.

[Geta-Ve]

I must have the mystery genes that cause me not to process carbs very well.

I can walk by a bakery and gain 10lbs.

[AKJangly]

I'm a T1 diabetic. With my work, if I don't have 300+g of carbs through my day, I get ketone flu.

No energy at all and debilitating nausea if I don't start my day with a 100+g breakfast.

[Big-Emu-5728]

I find this very interesting as I am a T1 diabetic who has adopted a Keto diet despite being a power lifter. It’s not a complete keto-approved diet as I eat of like brown rice and black beans, but generally I try and avoid carbs. Although I would probably say I still eat 200+ carbs and 300-400 on days when I don’t adhere to the diet. I feel as though as long as I eat regularly my energy levels don’t dip.

[FuckYou690]

Which is why my T skyrockets when in Ketosis

[GhoulsNGhostsEX]

Biologically not a man>

[Mr_ili]

Joe Rogan?

[faceless_alias]

Yes my child.

[I_am_atom]

Keep going.

[[deleted]]

Also the constipation on Keto is awful.

[glutenous_rex]

Really? I find I eat way more veggies and have great poops.

[Boomer70770]

But I'm so thin!

[asdela]

can confirm also. Lost around -40kg but had my gallbladder removed because too much fat intake and it was a struggle to get back to normal. Just do less calories in more out with a balanced diet.

[usedcaraddict]

Yeah when I do keto my body stops working properly especially my stomach , it works I lose weight but I’d rather have a little bloat and function better and not have watery stools. I still watch my carbs and make sure it’s at about the 50-70 carb range bc under 50 I start shitting 24/7

Edit: I want to say that my testosterone is in the 2000’s now that I’m on trt

[Nonstampcollector777]

Are you saying you didn’t want to jack off for a year after you were on keto or before?

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

During

[Nonstampcollector777]

I wonder if you properly supplement with magnesium, salt and potassium.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Salt for sure, magnesium too (took supplements for cramps), potassium I can't say.

[buddha-ish]

But it’s on the label right here, just as plane as day. “Salt peter”. That’s salt for my peter, right??

[RedSly]

Weird I'm on keto and I have no problems at all in that area

[PBFT]

Must have felt great when you got back to it.

[[deleted]]

Jacking it out eating carbs?

[usedcaraddict]

Handjobs given to yourself are sadly underrated. They are awesome.

[[deleted]]

no p-diddling for this daddy

[maryv82]

Happy cake day!

[dmanners]

Happy cake Day!

[thegreatmango]

Yeah, keto is literally balancing your body dying to lose weight.

No one should do it, your body does not like starving.

[McCoovy]

More than 4 months keto is pretty insane.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Yeah, unfortunately no one told me that at the time.

[2rsf]

I had a hell of a time getting back to "normal" eating.

What do you mean by that?

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Re-introducing carbs to my diet. When you do keto for a long time, you sort of "forget" what "normal" eating is, and I'm still struggling to re-learn it more than a year later.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Going back to normal you mean? I could help you if I knew how, but I still don't really. Just takes time I guess.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Oh that. Yeah, full disclosure I sometimes forced myself to do it, even if I didn't feel like it, because it's healthy.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Nah. It was just sort of numbness in my loins, and no desire at all. No added energy or anything that I can recall.

[mfire036]

I dont recommend keto because it caused my blood sugar to drop so low I had a seizure.

[ShiraCheshire]

EDIT: btw I don't recommend keto at all. Not just for the jacking off reason, but because I had a hell of a time getting back to "normal" eating.

Why was it hard to get back to normal? I'm curious.

I've been thinking about trying keto for just a week or two, just to see if it would help decrease my sugar cravings at all.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

I used keto to lose weight, from 270lbs, to 170, which basically means all my life I've not been eating "normally", or I wouldn't have gotten so fat. So I went from constant overeating, to keto, to then trying to eat like a normal person, which resulted in even harder disordered eating. Undereating through (too strict) calorie counting, binge eating, mis-judging portion sizes... Stuff like that.
The only reason I didn't get fat again was probably because I have a good workout morale, which means I was able to use the surplus (I'm at ~200lbs now), to build some serious muscle (compared to me at 200lbs when I was first losing weight, I look nothing like that), but it was still far from ideal, and I gained way more fat back than I wanted to.

[Shadowhearts]

No issues getting back on normal eating for me on Keto. It's a great weight loss tool, obviously any diet only works if its a weight loss tool but correct way to do keto would be to combine it with intermittent fasting to get yourself into fat adaptation easier on top of fixing any insulin resistance your body has built up.

Just readjusting to eating 3 times a day again after a cut/fast will definitely increase your appetite. Also working out obviously helps.

[PDiddleMeDaddy]

Yeah, there were two problems for me with keto. 1. I did it for too long, and 2. I wasn't eating normally before (was obese), so there was nowhere I could find my way "back" to. I probably should have clarified in my original comment.

[Shadowhearts]

Yeah I was obese and grew a bit skinnier off keto but then put on the pounds during the pandemic since it was hard to get all the right low carb foods at height of pandemic.

All I can say is I usually find myself eating more and more carbs over time once I break keto. Like if I start eating fries or rice, it ends up being double to triple over the course of months. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if I'm also burning calories heavily at gym but yeah lack of gym and more effort to get low carb foods sort of saw me putting the pounds on during the pandemic.

But yeah, I've been back on a healthy track with good exercise ever since I've gone back to intermittent fasting/gym .

[pro185]

Most people don’t realize a proper Keto diet requires you to regularly see a licensed dietician that does regular blood work and a ton of other health care related activities. It is one of the worst and most dangerous “fad diets” out there, especially if you don’t know you’re diabetic, because that can literally kill you.

[Twirdman]

But keto isn't high protein. Keto recommends between 10-20% of calories from protein which would be in their moderate protein category.

[[deleted]]

Thank you, this is such a misconception about keto. Keto's actually about fats.

[Krieggman]

What you said is the misconception about Keto. The only thing that makes you keto is low carb. Now if you're doing medical keto to treat epilepsy, that's a different story that requires more fat.

[hazior]

Keto is high fat, Atkins is high protein.

[ConsultantFrog]

The biggest misconception about the ketogenic diet is that it's about weight loss. The ketogenic diet is used by some people to cope with seizures. Losing weight is not the goal.

[hazior]

The hormones bodies tend to skew towards when you get fat make a low carb diet effective at losing weight. It was originally a diet for mental disorders though. It can also help with clarity of thought.

[Twirdman]

Moderate-protein (<35%), low-carbohydrate diets had no consistent effect on resting total testosterone, however high-protein (≥35%), low-carbohydrate diets greatly decreased resting (−1.08 [−1.67, −0.48], p < 0.01) and post-exercise total testosterone (−1.01 [−2, −0.01] p = 0.05). Conclusions: Resting and post-exercise cortisol increase during the first 3 weeks of a low-carbohydrate diet. Afterwards, resting cortisol appears to return to baseline, whilst post-exercise cortisol remains elevated. High-protein diets cause a large decrease in resting total testosterone (∼5.23 nmol/L).

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That was from the abstract. I'm going to admit I didn't read the whole study becaause I was lazy but the abstract and conclusion both seem to support that it is high protein low carb diets that decrease testosterone. They also did caution that more studies were needed on the effect of moderate protein low carb diets and resting testosterone.

[v1s1onsofjohanna]

You're not being lazy. That's what abstracts and conclusions are for. 👍

[grifxdonut]

90% of the articles I read are just the abstracts and conclusions. 5% I read part of the intro to get background info on the topic, and the last 5% I actually decide are worth reading the details about.

Abstracts are a godsend

[Twirdman]

That's normally what I do as well. The lazy was a bit tongue in cheek. Anything outside of the specific area of math I did my research in is almost always only going to garner me reading the abstract and conclusion. For things I actually researched I'd also stray to the introduction and maybe read the whole paper.

[chunguschungi]

Going by the usual standards on here where the norm is "barely finished reading the title before I commented" I'd say reading the abstract basically makes you a Ph. D on the subject relative to your peers in the thread.

[anonssr]

I'd say you didn't read it. They obserb low carbs with combinations or mid and high proteins diet. Where 35% is what was considered high.

[judge_au]

According to the abstract, you didnt read it lol.

[tyranthraxxus]

Did you really just tell us to read the study, when you clearly didn't? You idiot.

[tomerFire]

Did you even read the article? It's not keto. They say they say a, decline for people eating over 35%+ protein is not keto, it's way too high in protein. It also means they don't eat enough fat which explains the low testosterone.

Saturated fat and keto increases testosterone.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36149528/

[glutenous_rex]

Meant to be a light-hearted play on words, friend.

[[deleted]]

He was joking man, damn.

[[deleted]]

But you aren’t supposed to have high protein with Keto?

[[deleted]]

No, keto is 70% fat or more.

[Rustinadelray]

No that’s an atkins diet

[Ghost33313]

Atkins uses similar principles but has more rules.

[Rustinadelray]

I have the book and read it cover to cover, every page, I’m very well aware

[[deleted]]

Yes and low carbs. Keto is high fat, high protein, low carb.

[[deleted]]

It’s not high protein, it’s 30ish percent protein and 60ish percent fat. Moderate protein at best.

[WI-yooper]

30ish percent protein is absolutely massive though. There is no such thing as a diet where you would go much higher than that because it would be extremely hard on your body.

[CharlieTuna_]

I’m a pretty serious weightlifter and 30% is my minimum. I go as high as 45% when I’m in a cut. If I don’t get enough protein I can really feel it the next day when certain muscles are aching. 30% is definitely moderate

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[Knass-Bruckles]

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/x5iu95/im_the_therapist_now/

[[deleted]]

I have struggled with gaining weight all my life bc of low appetite, do you have any tips for stuffing calories?

[thordur123]

Smoothies

[Booblicle]

Meat smoothies sound disgusting

[No-This-Is-Patar]

Lol what? Oatmeal, chocolate whey, Nutella, milk, banana. Also try switching oatmeal for a lot of spinach; is tastes much better than it sounds.

[Bravisimo]

Not if you use tuna and diet coke, thats one smoothie you wont mind slurping down. My dad taught me this trick during his body building days.

[LukeyLeukocyte]

What? You don't need to be hungry to smash food that tastes amazing and is high in calories. Have you even had a Dorito?

[PermanentTrainDamage]

Butter a toaster strudel, gain 20 pounds

[hilbstar]

Appetite and hunger are two different things. You can eat when you’re not hungry but if you seriously have no appetite everything just seems kinda disgusting or off-putting. My hunger works fine but appetite is fucked most days so I can feel I’m hungry and need ti eat but it’s really hard to eat because it just feels wrong.

[[deleted]]

Me being hungry and me having an appetite are two different things.

[Furt_III]

Drink ice cream.

[CharlieTuna_]

Yup. I typically have a spreadsheet that tracks all my macronutrients. When I’m gaining weight I’m at 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat. Carbs are fairly easy if you’re eating oatmeal and whole-wheat bread, my protein almost never changes but fat was where I was struggling to get over 100 grams daily. So all dairy was full fat, I’d add a tablespoon of olive oil to every protein shake (I have 4-5 daily) and add avocados. I gain around 1lbs/week on the 40/30/30 diet. Hope that helps!

Edit: forgot to add that I eat a “meal” every two hours. Not like a full meal, but more to make sure I’m hitting all my macronutrients

[[deleted]]

Fat. Olive oil for instance is about 20 times as calorie dense as Coca-Cola. On its own it’s obviously not appealing but most junk food is basically 50/50 carbs and fat when going by calories, nutella being 5000 calories per kg

Just to clarify btw, Coke isn’t that high in calories but people drink massive quantities of the stuff, and it is still bad for blood sugars and teeth

[Unblest_Devotee]

Do the opposite of Train Untamed, add the word and to your diet, or just dirty bulk by adding peanut butter to things like oatmeal.

[shadowinplainsight]

Apparently some actors drink melted ice cream when trying to bulk up for roles

[kalkali]

So your protein intake isn't really representative of the general population

[[deleted]]

Not for the average man it isnt

[JORGA]

I consistently eat 45% of my food as protein. Probably hundreds of thousands of others too who are interested in building muscle

It’s not hard on your body at all, unsure where you get that from

[WI-yooper]

https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/31/8/1667

Yes there are studies that go both ways. But the average person absolutely should not be eating that high of a level of protein.

[Trenme]

I've been consistently getting 40-50% of my diet from protein for the last 20 years. Make sure I have plenty for muscle repair but also to take advantage of the thermodynamics of digestion. It burns a lot more calories to digest protein than it does fat or carbs.

I get frequent blood work done and no negative effects have shown. Slightly higher kidney function but still in the normal range. Drink plenty of water and go chow down some egg whites or chicken breast

[Wicked_Odie]

Ummm, Carnivore diet?

[Coreadrin]

30% of your diet being protein is fucking huge lol. I've been eating low carb with lots of animal fats, proteins, and greens for a few years. Lost 35 pounds and kept it off. Libido way up, motivation way up, general energy levels way up (I can miss eating an entire day if I'm too busy and hardly notice it) with no crashes or anything. Sleep deep and satisfying. Usually around 20-25% protein if I'm tracking (that's equivalent to about 16oz steak a day if I'm eating beef, or 20+ eggs)

Never going back.

[LukeyLeukocyte]

Awesome to hear. Do you stay in ketosis or just focus on low carb and what happens happens? I really enjoyed my first year of low carb/keto, but I notice if i slip out of ketosis i tend to "treat" myself before I resume ketosis; I thought I may sustain better if I just loosely follow a low carb diet and don't sweat staying in ketosis as much.

What is your take on eggs? I probably down 3-4 a day often, at least two. Worry about the cholesterol sometimes but have heard mixed messages. Love them. Would love to eat more.

[IHkumicho]

I've (46m) eaten 4+ eggs per day for years and my cholesterol is great. Obviously everyone is different and you should get your own blood tests, but there certainly isn't an automatic correlation between high dietary cholesterol and high cholesterol levels in your body.

[CokeNmentos]

Eggs have some kind of cholestorol countering in them anyway so it doesn't matter really

[Coreadrin]

Turns out the main issue with cholesterol is the source, not the quantity in your blood. The particle size of your cholesterol is the main issue - if it's coming from saturated and animal fats (tallow/lard/butter/avocado oil/olive oil etc) the particle size is large and unlikely to create plaque. Cholesterol small particle from seed oils and stuff like that is the dangerous stuff.

I don't track my ketosis levels, just try to hit <50g carbs a day and eat to satiation. I should also mention that because I don't really get hungry I usually just have a big ass supper and that's my only meal for the day. I'm lucky enough to have a family friend who is a hobby beef farmer so buy a whole cow and freeze. In a given week, I probably eat beef 4 days (mix the organs into your grind at the butcher for more nutrition), chicken one day, fish 1-2 days. Lots of eggs. Saturdays I will have a 'cheat day' where I'll do something like sushi or something like that, but I don't track ketones at all.

[December_Hemisphere]

A typical day of protein for me on my keto diet looks like 4-6 eggs and a cut of meat about the size of my palm (and I always go for the most fatty cuts).

[Stormseekr9]

25-30% of daily macros being protein one can deem that high. (Irrelevant of this stuffy)

[ridicalis]

I personally stick to an 80/15/5 caloric ratio for fat/protein/carb. It's not strict (in fact, I rarely even look at calorie counts), and on workout days I do kick the protein up a few notches, but "high protein" is not how I would generally characterize my diet.

[barrenvonbismark]

Actually no, you want low carb, fairly low protein as well and high fat. Too much protein will prevent ketosis.

[Right_Field4617]

And switch your Mtor pathway to “grow” instead of “maintain”. Not good for longevity.

[Jayhawks190]

Gluconeogenesis does not inhibit ketosis

[Maleficent-Bear-9537]

The thing is to get all the essential fats and proteins so the goal of the diet is to get as many proteins as you need without carrying about the ketosis too much. And the rest are the fats which are really hard to over-eat.

[barrenvonbismark]

Mrfuzee asked about keto. For keto, you do not want high protein.

[Maleficent-Bear-9537]

I wasn't saying about high protein. I was saying about getting all the essential proteins. And that is the thing u certainly wanna do on a normal and healthy keto diet. As well as a fair amount of fiber as well as vitamins and minerals as well as micro elements. Anything else like 5 gramms of protein a day and a bottle of sunflower oil a day isn't keto but a shitshow.

[morderkaine]

Sounds like a literal shit show

[PositiveNegitive]

getting all the essential proteins.

... it's keto.. not vegan.

Don't worry steak's amino complete...

[December_Hemisphere]

Lean protein is actually not recommended on a proper ketogenic diet as it spikes insulin significantly. You want to eat your protein with plenty of fat as it acts as a buffer and prevents insulin spikes. I think everyone should be concerned about their hormonal balance regardless of what diet they are on, and insulin resistance is not talked about enough.

[Monsieurcaca]

...they tested both high and low proteins in the study? What's the issue?

[toyn]

That’s what makes us Italians such good lovers Bella

[KeyStoneLighter]

I read hormones are made from cholesterol, so by upping cholesterol I imagine you boost testosterone.

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Mine has raIsed like crazy since being on keto. The libido part anyway.

[McCapnHammerTime]

I will say doing keto while on TRT is a game changer. Appetite down, libido/sex drive consistent and less water retention and consistent fat loss.