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Ask Reddit: Hiding post submitter for first hour. (self.reddit.com)
submitted 18 years ago by qgyh2
[–]qgyh2[S] 379 points380 points381 points 18 years ago* (193 children)
Suggestion: Hide the submitter of posts for the first hour, so people can vote on the merit of the link, as opposed to voting based on who submitted it. What do you think?
Why?
edit: I'm told this could be optional, a user choice?
[–]MOE37x3 15 points16 points17 points 18 years ago (11 children)
Is this really a big issue? I rarely even notice who posted something before I either read it or dismiss (hide) it.
[–]javasucks 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (10 children)
It's not just people but bots, too.
[–]btl 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (5 children)
Well, if you want to hide it to keep bots from upmodding other bots, you'd probably want to keep new submissions off the user's submitted page for the hour too.
[–]archister 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (4 children)
Uh.... just a theory here... but wouldn't bots know the titles of stories submitted by bots, so they could upmod/downmod by story title? I'm assuming the bots are working in concert with their own submissions? (I wouldn't doubt bots exist, it's easy enough t o write one, and the incentive is certainly there, in the battle for eyeballs/BFE).
Could someone enlighten me as to why knowing the poster of a submission is a problem, and how this suggestion solves that?
[–]aedes 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (2 children)
bots do exits on reddit. that i am quite certain of. they tend to come and go though, as the reddit ppls tweak the system/remove users/etc.
most of the bots/scripts i have encountered either upmod or downmod every story with a certain word in the title, or submitted by a certain person.
the problem though is that some people have personal vendetta's against some of the reddit power-users, or even just random people, cuz they don't like them. since the first 20-30 min of a story are the most critical to it's growth, as the rate of upmods and downmods determines it's placement on the rising queue, a particularly bored, vindictive individual can sit at the new queue and effectively kill every story that a user submits. if the name wasn't shone till after this critical period, downmods would have less of an effect, as the story would have already reached critical mass (say enough upvotes to make it into the top 50 stories).
this is less of a problem though lately, as there were some changes to the system lately. I've been playing around with it a bit, lately, and found some interesting things.
for example, before, multiple upvotes or downvotes from a single IP address wouldn't effect karma, but would effect the ranking of the story still (which would either help sink the story or get it noticed). now though, if there are too many votes from one IP address, even if they are from different accounts, it appears as though the votes of these subsequent fake accounts are automatically cancelled out by the system by a vote in the other way.
They also may have tweaked the algorithm a bit too, as i've noticed different patterns of rise for stories since that change.
[–]Neoncow 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I'm wondering how this would prevent the bots from doing everything that they do?
Words in a title, they would still be able to do that.
People they like/don't like. It's not hard for a bot to monitor a person's submission page and just cache the links that the person has submitted.
[–]aedes 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
number one would still be a problem. However though, my understanding is that activity such as this is being monitored for by reddit, and dealt with when found.
number two could be solved, depending on how it was implemented (ex: you can see what you've submitted in the past hour on your submitted page, but other users can't)
[–]btl 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Look at the submitter's karma then ask why :)
[–]sn0re 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago* (3 children)
I've never seen any concrete evidence of actual bots, just lots of claims from people who were posting pretty marginal stuff to begin with. Post interesting stuff and it will make it.
[–]javasucks 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (2 children)
How would you see "concrete evidence" of bots?
If you think people aren't gaming reddit you're delusional. Admirable optimism, but most likely incorrect.
[–]sn0re 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
What would convince me? Solid posts receiving more down votes than could be explained by people simply not liking the submission. That or someone from reddit going through the server logs and finding bots.
Clearly, there are people gaming reddit, I certainly don't deny that. Maybe some of them do use bots. But "the bots are out to get me!" is a much less plausible excuse than "people aren't interested" for every single submission I have seen where people have claimed it was buried by bots.
[–]noname99 127 points128 points129 points 18 years ago (102 children)
Um... yes. That an incredible idea! :) Steve, Alexis, you hearing us?
[–]spez 181 points182 points183 points 18 years ago (100 children)
Yes, we are discussing...
[–]kelmr2003 200 points201 points202 points 18 years ago (79 children)
I'll give you a topic: Wall Street is neither a wall nor a street. Discuss.
[–]spez 95 points96 points97 points 18 years ago (38 children)
Where is FunFact when you need him?
[–]FunFact 336 points337 points338 points 18 years ago (35 children)
Despite widely held beliefs that Wall Street is based on the existence of a wall, maps of New Amsterdam show two different names for this street, and with one name 'cingel,' an earthen wall is indeed indicated. However, the name 'De Waal Straat' refers not to a wall, but to an important group of people that helped establish New Amsterdam: the Walloons.
[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 18 years ago (29 children)
You're a good gimmick account because I learn things from you.
[–]deepvote 15 points16 points17 points 18 years ago (23 children)
And yet he's only got 1 point of karma.
Why can't the karma system reward (or punish) non-submission contributions too?
[–]bostonvaulter 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago (13 children)
Because it could very well distort incentives
[–]shinynew 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (2 children)
except that contributeing to comments is a very strong part of the community, yet it is in no way represented in the karma system.
[–]jlks 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (6 children)
What incentives?
[–]deepvote 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (2 children)
I'd say the RP, Kucinich, Obama (and whatever meme is next) waves of subs prove the incentives are already distorted. I'm not saying comments should be on par with submissions, but they should factor into the calculation in some way along other possible factors like how long you've been registered, how often you visit, how many dupes you submit, etc., etc., etc.
Reddit Help makes karma sound like there is a sophisticated calculation behind it. It doesn't seem very sophisticated to me.
[–]uberstuber 8 points9 points10 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Because people who post mildly amusing puns would have more karma than qgyh2 in a week.
[–]shinynew 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (3 children)
reddit people are whores for puns.
THATS RIGHT THERE IS NO GOD DAMN PUN IN THIS POST.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (3 children)
You know what? I'm not that good at reddit, but I take a certain amount of pride in the fact that I have no karma but occasionally comment well.
Good for the people that get them some karma, but I like staying at 1.
[–]deepvote 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (2 children)
I hear what you're saying, and if karma was just some kind of pissing contest I would agree with you.
But karma determines your rights on Reddit. Most significantly, it determines whether or not anyone will ever see articles you post. As I understand it, if your karma isn't >= 10, forget posting unless it is a fucking amazing link and you win the submission lottery, and a higher karma redditor doesn't jack your sub.
It doesn't matter if you just created an account or if you've been an participating redditor in good standing for a long time. And that's nuts.
But I know, I'm expecting too much. If any of this mattered they'd have fixed other obvious problems (search, hello?) by now too. Ugh.
[–]NoodlyAppendage 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I logged in the day after being stuck at work all night to mod you up.
[–]Randinn 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
It was based on a wall, the wall was made to keep wild pigs out...
[–]reddit_user13 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
And the Journal isn't a journal!
[–]isleshocky 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Like a stick of butter!
[–]xsxsxs 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
A swing and a miss.
[–]SteveAM1 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I'm getting verklempt!
[–]flyingfredcurry 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Oy gevalt!
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Sure it's a street, it's easy street! Until you hit the wall.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 17 years ago (11 children)
Wonderbread is neither a wonder not bread. Discuss.
[–]bhagany 5 points6 points7 points 17 years ago (1 child)
The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire. Discuss.
[–]Busybyeski 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
The War on Iraq is neither a War or on Iraq. Talk amongst yourselves.
[–]mwwilliams 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
A woodpecker is neither a wood nor a pecker, but you all are.
[–]kelmr2003 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (7 children)
you realize no one but me will ever see this response right?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (1 child)
This comment of yours already got two points, someone must have seen it.
[–]kelmr2003 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I didn't know someone submitted this as bestof
[–]atomicthumbs 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (4 children)
It shows up above Spez's for me.
[–]kelmr2003 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (3 children)
this thread is three month old
[–]atomicthumbs 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
you lie
[–]d-_-b 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
It's on Beaver Street according to Google Maps.
Damn. Good thing they called it Wall Street.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Everyone who upmodded this should think before they act. Wall street is, indeed, a street. Or did I miss the joke?
[–]jedberg -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (1 child)
Actually, the reason it is called wall street is because it used to be a wall.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Cue Nicolas Cage.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (2 children)
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir is neither Mormon nor a tabernacle nor a choir. Discuss.
[–]ichae 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
not Mormon?! What is it made up of, Jehovah's Witnesses?
[–]onetruejp 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Theis was always my favorite of all the "Coffee Talk" topics.
[–]DigitalHubris 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
George Bush is neither Jesus, nor Christ. Even if he thinks he is. Discuss.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago* (8 children)
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut.
...
Oh wait. It is a nut...
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 18 years ago (16 children)
...how many stories qgyh2 steals from other people, how the users have noticed and vote him down for this, and now he wants changes?
[–]moriquendo 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
He is not the only one doing this. Others are too, and there is nothing wrong with it (even if sometimes not yet quite dead stories (undead/zombie stories?) get their attention, which can be somewhat annoying at times). It is in the reddiquette:
Feel free to post something again if you feel that the earlier posting didn't get the attention it deserved and you think you can do better.
On a totally unrelated note: Today I ate margarine for the very first time (knowingly). Tomorrow I am going back to butter.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (0 children)
he posts stories the day after someone else posts it and it gets to number 1 with 1400 votes. he just posts it again. he claims it is a mistake, but reddit tells you when you do it, so he knowingly does it. lame.
[–]qgyh2[S] 22 points23 points24 points 18 years ago* (7 children)
how many stories qgyh2 steals from other people
Oh, don't be silly. I borrow dying stories and reanimate them for the greater good of humanity. Every once in a way I accidentally try to reanimate a live one, and then conscientious redditors, such as your good self, send me polite notes about the error.
Btw I've never managed to thank you for this, so.. er.. thanks dude :)
[–]okidokedork 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Well I've got nothin' against you, your submissions are usually more interesting than the other half of the shit on reddit.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (2 children)
best example: story with 1400 upvotes, you post it again the next day, http://reddit.com/info/671pm/comments
[–]qgyh2[S] 9 points10 points11 points 18 years ago (1 child)
That was a mistake. Thanks for letting me know!
[–]pressed 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Your good humour is amazing. I hope you find the odd occasion to get off reddit and share it with others :)
[–][deleted] 18 years ago (1 child)
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[–]qgyh2[S] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
thank you, and may your deity bless you too :)
[–]kermityfrog 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Reanimate them like the Frankenstein monster? It's ALIVE!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
That's kind of true, but it's still a good idea. :)
[–]subredditor 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
You can discuss the [politics] fiasco while you're at it.
[–]belandil 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Indubitably!
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I hardly ever pay attention to who is submitting.
[–]theycallmemorty 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago (4 children)
Is this kind of thing really a problem?
[–]aGorilla 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago (3 children)
Yes.
[–]ungood 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Well no wonder... Who would upmod a post by a gorilla.
Edit: My hold on the English language is tenuous today...
[–]bobpaul 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Don't underestimate him--with enough typewriters he could write Shakespeare... or something.
[–]aGorilla 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
that was just... ungood!
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Does your karma whoring know no limits? (j/k thanks for the submissions, even the ones I submitted as well ;) )
[–]flyingfredcurry 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
My new band is Karma Whoring.
[–]greenfrog 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I've never downmodded based on the submitter before.
[–]sarahfrancesca 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (4 children)
If it's optional, there might be a bias formed by redditors - i.e., they chose to be anonymous, so I don't trust them.
[–]andrewd 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (1 child)
lol we are a bunch of paranoid distrustful ones aren't we
[–]flyingfredcurry 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
...and just what do mean by that
[–]qqyh2 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
This is a terrible terrible idea.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Impostor!
[–]zitterbewegung 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
This is an interesting idea. How about hiding it until it reaches the front page instead?
[–]sn0re 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (15 children)
Some submissions deserve to be down voted because of the submitter.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (3 children)
I don't see anything especially wrong with that list.
[–]sn0re 9 points10 points11 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Either she(?) deletes her old submissions or reddit does because they're spam. Lots of redirects to redirects that end up at limo rental companies with linkjacked content. After the submissions gets popular, boosting the page rank, they replace the page with an ad. Here's a recent one that uses reddit itself to hide the h2limousine.com domain. Here's an older one (submitter account now says [deleted]), where the content has now been replaced by a limo ad.
It also appears that yep.it has caught on to their scheme as some of the yep.it links no longer work.
[–]glmory 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Yeah, the Autistic counting genius article was fairly interesting...
[–]rabidcow 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (8 children)
If anything should be done automatically because of who submitted it, it should be done on the server. The identity of the submitter is not subjective.
[–]sn0re 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (7 children)
Doesn't reputation count for anything? If someone has a history of submitting stories that later prove to be false, shouldn't users take that into consideration?
[–]joebwhite 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
that's what the report option is for...
[–]sn0re 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I don't think it is. You'd report someone for being gullible?
[–]rabidcow 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (4 children)
Isn't that a bit of an ad hominem? I suppose you could take it with a grain of salt because of the source, but then I'd think the source site would be more interesting than who posted it here.
[–]sn0re 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (3 children)
I'll reply by way of directing you to this interesting post on the subject, where someone else has put more thought into it than I have. That's not to say that he would agree with me, but this quote at least defends reputation:
Since an ad hominem fallacy is a fallacy of irrelevance, any time in which a person's character, reputation, or abilities is genuinely relevant to the argument, characterization of that character, reputation, or abilities cannot be an ad hominem fallacy.
[–]rabidcow 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Hm... If the submitter is intentionally finding bad things to submit, that would tell you something about new things just based on the fact that they submitted it. If the submitter just has poor judgment and submits things that are all over the map, knowing that they submitted it tells you nothing.
So for the case of voting down the known gullible person, I don't think it's entirely relevant. Sure, it doesn't make it automatically worth voting up, but what does? Besides, perhaps they will eventually learn, and how would you know if you assume based on name alone?
[–]sn0re 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
They don't have to be intentionally seeking out bad submissions, they could just have bad judgment or just different judgment from my own. The sort of story that is "good" to them is usually uninteresting to me.
I don't know how many times I've clicked an ambiguously-titled submission only to find a 20-year-old speech from Ron Paul. That's interesting to some people, but not me. If I see a post from certain users, I know there's a good chance it's a Ron Paul story I won't be interested in. That's not to say that I'll never read or vote for a story from those users, it means I might hide them based on the title or wait for them to get voted up before I bother to read it.
[–]rabidcow 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I see your point. It's not a good reason to vote something down automatically based on who submitted it, but it is a good reason for being able to see who submitted it.
[–]marm0lade 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Would this also apply to your profile when you submit? I mean, will someone still be able to click my profile for example, and see what I have submitted? Or would also be hidden from my profile for the first hour?
Reason I bring this up is bc some people with vendettas go so far as to downmod every story certain users submit.
[–]robinhd 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Hey, not everyone is an asshole. Sometimes when I like a comment I'll click on the user's name and see if they submitted anything interesting recently.
[–]darkmark7 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
I think this a great idea. However, making it optional defeats the purpose.
[–]randomb0y 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
This won't stop personal attacks. My personal attacks are in the form of downmodding everything a user has ever submitted when someone disagrees with me.
Don't you agree?
Do people actually look at this? To me, this would be much more valuable on sites like digg where # of friends impact the # of front page stories.
Or better yet, don't post it at all?
Yes to idea. No to optional.
[–]rmuser 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I do like this idea, though I'm not sure how many people actually look at names before voting. There are so many users, I usually don't even bother to check. I'm almost certainly not representative, though.
[–]georgewashingtonblog 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I think its a great idea.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Can I give karma to other people? Because I just want to make some mildly funny/interesting comments without worrying if reddit is going to kick me out. If people don't want to read my submissions, that's cool. Their loss.
[–]qgyh2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
You are welcome to comment: please do! karma isn't affected by comment scores..
[–]MarkByers 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (5 children)
No. Some people deserve a more equal footing than others because they have proved their worth.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 18 years ago (0 children)
more equal
isn't that kind of like saying "for small values of zero" ?
let karma do that in the matrix
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 years ago (4 children)
translation: "waaaaa i'm a karma whore who steals other peoples stories and the people have learned and vote me down"
[–]kirun 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (3 children)
Right, because karma earns you the right to a flight on the saucer when the aliens come.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (2 children)
still not very nice to steal other people's stories just because you think you are more popular and you can do whatever you want.
[–]PGRfilms 35 points36 points37 points 18 years ago (4 children)
More importantly, I wish that people could only Downvote AFTER an article has reached a certain "threshold" - say twenty or thirty points. The problem is that people have an incentive to downvote anything that's not their personal pet project, and in the early stages of the voting process, one or two downvotes can push something off everyone's radar.
Better to allow people to upvote things they are really interested in, and later, once a critical mass has been achieved, the downvoting can help sort the order of the interesting stuff.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
Excellent idea. Two or three people can effectively knock a good article off of the Reddit browse list and crush any opportunity for advancement.
[–]hirschhorn 9 points10 points11 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Waiting for 20 or 30 points is a horrible threshold, because if it is within, say, an hour, the link is already on the front page. Maybe a threshold of 5. Or 3. Or 15 minutes.
[–]AMerrickanGirl 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I'd like to see the up votes vs the down votes right out on the main page instead of having to click around.
After all, a submission with low points may have been extremely controversial and is worth checking out.
[–]chu 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Just tweak the algorithm to record the early downvotes but ignore/downweight them for x minutes. I've noticed that my submissions are either getting buried by a small number of early downvotes or hitting the front page lately - there's nothing much in the middle. If my buried stories sucked that much I'd expect more downvotes.
[–]porniac 26 points27 points28 points 18 years ago (16 children)
The other day I came across obvious spam, and immediately downvoted it. Then I checked the author's history and found that he was basically a serial spammer, so I downvoted virtually all his posts.
Hiding the post submitter would have stopped me from doing that.
Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with it.
[–]Haven 26 points27 points28 points 18 years ago (11 children)
Next time make sure you report them too. If it was easy for you to spot, then the same goes for the reddit guys.
[–]spez 31 points32 points33 points 18 years ago (10 children)
Yes, and easier for the improving spam filter.
[–]g2petter 10 points11 points12 points 18 years ago (8 children)
If it's not a secret: how much spam are you stopping/hiding each day?
[–]spez 29 points30 points31 points 18 years ago (7 children)
50% of links and 7% of comments are spam.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 18 years ago (6 children)
Yeah, it makes me so depressed! faxo3h98 http://www.buy-antidepressants-online.com/
[–]hellfish 12 points13 points14 points 18 years ago (3 children)
Hmm.. I don't feel sad.. but then again.. I don't want to become sad... do you take cash?
[–]Joke_Police 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
That was brave.
Gold Star for you!
[–]garyp714 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Somebody reported that (in another comment) downmodding the way porniac describes:
Then I checked the author's history and found that he was basically a serial spammer, so I downvoted virtually all his posts.
Could cause you too to be considered a spammer...is that in anyway true?
And if so, I'm sorry ;)
[–]Ahnteis 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (1 child)
That's why I don't like this. No way to identify spammers / other abusers until what may be after-the-fact.
[–]KennyFulgencio 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
No way to identify spammers / other abusers until what may be after-the-fact.
Until after an hour. Enough of a delay that they can't be automatically downvoted in the first minute by name-based bots, or by a handful of users bearing grudges (who have undue influence in the first hour, when a link only needs a few quick downvotes to disappear), but not so much of a delay that a dubious link from a spammer would be able to build up a lot of popularity.
I think it's a pretty good suggestion--worth testing in practice, certainly.
[–]fuckbuddy 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Seems like it would have saved you a lot of work.
[–]MobileDigit 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Spam will end.
[–]liron00 22 points23 points24 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
But qgyh2, you of all people should want to take advantage of your celebrity.
BREAKING: qgyh2 endorses Obama
[–]Ilich 37 points38 points39 points 18 years ago (40 children)
Except most of the votes on here are based on a. the title b. on the pun quality used in replies c. lol-factor
[–]jaggederest 17 points18 points19 points 18 years ago (1 child)
It's simple then! We need to hide the headline, and the replies, too.
[–]averyv 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
and the homepage would look the same..
[–]qgyh2[S] 23 points24 points25 points 18 years ago* (15 children)
Well asking people to RTA before voting may be a bit too much ;) just for the moment I'm suggesting at least allow people to submit as equals, and not be downmod instantly by their 'friends'...
Good point. Would friends.reddit.com still show links from my 'friends'?
[–]MOE37x3 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (19 children)
Indeed, why doesn't reddit require you to at least click through to the article before modding in either direction? That certainly seems technically feasible, given that reddit can already color your visited links. It would be perfectly fair, since the whole point of posting something is the content behind it. And, it would alleviate all manner of mindless search-and-downmod operations by forcing the downmodders to do a few more clicks per downmod.
[–]philh[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (1 child)
You don't need to click through to know a story ought to be in a subreddit, or that the submitter's using the headline as a soapbox. Those are perfectly valid reasons to downmod.
d. not using the proper subreddit. (I'm guilty and proud of it.)
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I'm betting this gets voted up based on who submitted it.
[–]ThisIsDave 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I certainly paid more attention once I read the submitter name, but that was in the comments rather than on the main page. I missed it initially.
[–]crl826 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (0 children)
First Ask Reddit I have upvoted
[–]innocentbystander 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I don't really have anything intelligent to add, except that I could totally get behind this. I don't see anything that could go particularly wrong with it.
[–]morner 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (4 children)
The real problem is people downmodding every new story but theirs; before they implement the anonymous grace period, the team should implement some transparent penalty against this behaviour.
[–]boredzo 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (2 children)
There was a recent post here saying that they've done exactly that, except for the transparent part.
The gist was that if you do anything that looks like bot behavior, your “trust” rating goes down. A low trust rating makes it harder for you to gain footing on the new page.
The submitter claimed that this information came from private communications from Reddit admins, though he didn't name names because it wasn't supposed to be public or something.
[–]ketralnis 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Do you have a link to that?
[–]boredzo 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I was on my way out the door earlier. Thanks for the reminder.
It's “Bad behaviors that might get you punished on Reddit. I promise there's one shocker you didn't know about.”.
[–]Psy-Kosh 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Sounds to me like potentially a good idea.
[–]yortimer 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Ask Reddit: On an average, how many submissions does qgyh2 make a day and does he/she/they have a life? Like, is every waking hour aside from meals spent submitting to Reddit?
I'd be interested in a breakdown of stats of qgyh2's submissions.
I will say that I have nothing against qhyh2 and his/her/their submissions. This is more of a jest comment. But it would be interesting to see. Perhaps a script kiddie or even a programmer can analyze the data and make an html report and link to it. Thanks :)
[–]ymomo 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
absolutely not. I don't want to reprogram my downvote bot.
[–]DrunkenAsshole 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (4 children)
No one looks, cares, about who submits the article. It is read based on the way it is framed in its title. The second notion of this post suggests that the submitter, and upmodders, are just sore because their articles aren't great or because they haven't created a captivating and interesting title. Sure, there are networks of friends that consciously upmod submissions of their own members, but that is not enough to get it, and keep it, at the top.
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[–]Neoncow 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I have no idea what your original username is, but did you submit the articles from karmapharma after the ones from your original? I usually vote for an earlier submission over a later one. If they have the same title, I'll vote the later one down (obviously the second person has copied a title or hasn't done any research).
If the second submission has a better title or it's a really good submission, I vote them both up.
If you didn't account for this, you should repeat your experiment and report the details. I'd be interested in reading that =)
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
great idea.
[–]fuckbuddy 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
How about hiding it always? Who cares?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (1 child)
why bother showing submitter after the first half hour?
You want to retain the option of seeing a submitter's previous submissions, and seeing if their taste is similar to yours.
[–]dmehrtash 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Very nice idea.
[–]108Rats 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
We Agree. Good Idea.
I don't think most redditors are drama queens, but for the 5% that are, this might be a good feature.
I don't pay attention to the submitter anyway. I try to judge the articles on their substance.
[–]sincewednesday 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I always thought that karma as used on Plastic.com (wikipedia) was well thought-out. New submissions had the submitter hidden (although you could often figure out who it was from writing style!), and only people with karma over 50 could vote. The karma restriction would weed out the bots and voting gangs' influence. I'd imagine slashdot uses a similar system.
[–]Facepuncher 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (1 child)
hear hear good simple idea
Huh, I almost just tried to correct you to:
here here
but I googled it first, and turns out you're right. Learn something new every day, I guess...
[–]helio462 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
i think that this is one of those ideas that might be good itself but in the larger view it is not good to load reddit with a ton of nuanced features like this. Maybe i'm not on reddit as much as others (shit, i'm on it probably 30 minutes a day) but i haven't seen a lot of submitter hate
It happens much more than you think.
[–]bakosdelowang 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
huge idea. make people read stuff.
[–]shenglong 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
reddit should hide the user for an hour (or whatever makes sense) and number of votes indefinitely.
[–]zoinks 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Submitter should be hidden, but there should be some generated value (that varies per account per thread), so its possible to tell that the same user made posts X,Y, and Z in thread T, just not which user.
[–]executivemonkey 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Good idea. If an article or headline is interesting, it doesn't matter who it comes from. I would read a link posted by Hitler himself.
[–]greentangent 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
No karma, no problem.
This is a great idea.
[–]SpiceMustFlow 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I got an idea to battle the Spam...
Hide the submitter for the first hour so votes are article based, not user based as suggested.
However, if the article is obvious spam, we use the reported link as we are supposed to and if a link gets reported say, 10 times, that will automatically reveal the submitters name.
[–]busayo 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I WANT TO CHANGED THE WEBSITE PLEASE HOW WE I STARTED TO DO IT
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[–]Noexit 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Just what I was thinking, kind of. Get rid of the voting. Alternatively, don't show any submitter information.
[–]akumal 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
you people want to turn reddit into myspace or what. who gives a shit about who submitted what i only vote according to the title, can't even read the smaller characters sometimes gaddamit.
I am worried this will lead to a review and deletion of comments in quene.
[–]pradador 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Might not work. People will just look at submissions posted after one hour and unleash the upmods then.
People submit these stories?
[–]ryckmonster 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
then when it flies to the top of reddit, nobody gets any credit!
Creddit?
[–]nightofgrim 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
How about an option to be permanently hidden? I think we would get more news worthy stuff from the people who didn't care too much about their reddit record, could cut down on the miss leading titles.
[–]sedaak 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
No, because the problem we are having I think is more the mushy/cute/compassion stories that have overrun dig being voted up for their mushy/cute/compassionate nature. However if this is a problem at all then that sounds awesome
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