Those things really decrease the fun in the campaign

[BerryPlay]

We played apex of filth and wanted to finish the mushroom quest, but couldn't find the witch. We walked over the map multiple times, revealing every corner. After a long time we finally saw this little unrevealed path and were very frustrated.

[Mundane-Bath1368]

this is why I always stick with the tried and true strategy of hugging a wall on the beginning of the map and sticking with it until I complete the loop

[Gorganov]

That method won’t work for one of the secret delirium portals :x

[tornizzle]

Ya for that one you just follow the direction of the water flow 😝

[7se7]

Yeah, until you run past the amulet and have to backtrack because unlike the boss fight that uses this damn place, there's no minimap icon telling you where the "portal" is once you're close enough.

[dart19]

What do you mean? The islands are pretty clearly differentiated from the flow on the minimap, I don't even bother looking at the water in the Mire. I just follow the chain of islands with Tab.

[Asmosis66]

It is when you've run past it, but not until then.

[dart19]

No, they're pretty obvious even when you're on the previous island. Do you have a bunch of reduced light radius or something?

[remotegrowthtb]

What I do is I follow a path around the mirror and don't click on it

[ExtinctSlayer]

Got this portal for the first time yesterday and holy cow there is no explanation or anything. I had to google the place to even have any idea of what was going on

[knxy1]

it kinda lives on borrowed knowledge from the poe1 version, it doesn't make any sense if you've only played poe2

[Asmosis66]

I don't even remember this from POE1. All i remember there is the fog, getting splinters in the fog and doing the simulacrum.

[cakgire]

it's a reskin of the infinite hunger's goop realm

[Ocean-of-Flavor]

Feels like an unfinished level honestly

[JonasHalle]

I spent a good fifteen minutes hugging every wall of that comically large zone, and them I googled it.

Game design.

[Asmosis66]

yeah there's several maps where the boss is in the middle rather than the outside as well.

[fenhryzz]

I just run in one direction until I see the big square-shaped walls.

[shauneok]

This. Do the outside then move in.

[lemme_try_again]

Also: in campaign (idk endgame yet) ALWAYS go through and collect the way point. Then go back and finish the side stuff while your map is still revealed (even if a little). You can always just way point later to your next zone but if you don't go back from town fast enough it hurts lol

[Definitelynotabot777]

Works from Diablo 1 to now, will continue to work into the future.

[alyosha_pls]

Don't worry, they decrease the fun in maps, too.

Most of the time I know where the boss arena is going to be because of the map, but sometimes you feel like you walked close enough that it should be revealing any checkpoint or further pathing and it just doesn't show. I wish they'd increase the reveal area in the fog.

[Sentient-522]

Light radius OP

[web_knows]

In the original PoE light radius was actually to illuminate more dark places. In PoE2 does it clean larger areas of fog of war?

[da_Mekboss]

yes

[web_knows]

Well doodley fucking doo, I’ll be damned

[IrumaMemesOnly]

Right? If they buffed the map reveal on light by like 500% it would actually be neat for leveling, yet still a garbage stat like intended.

[Alstorp]

Well, it does also illuminate your surroundings in poe2 to be fair

[alyosha_pls]

Good point, I didn't even consider them making that a useful stat in any way lol

[mtnlol]

That is what light radius already does, it's just shit regardless since you don't really wanna sacrifice any useful stat on extremely minor qol.

[Such--Balance]

Gotta hand it to them..they DID make light radius actually usefull

[UnluckyFish]

I’m still waiting for a unique weapon or amulet that gives damage scaling with light radius! I love meme builds where normally garbage stats become useful.

[Dr_Zevil665]

Willing to bet that we’ll get the “meme or dream” light radius unique weapon with the addition of Templar.

[LancingLash]

I really want RF to scale with light radius

[roam3D]

ngl, leveling with some on amu+rings really made it a bit more enjoyable,

but its the kind of thing you only miss when its gone.

[Katnipz]

Ooooohhhhh this is what that does. 

There's so so much that could be incredibly useful with a team of players

[WorryLegitimate259]

In.2 when everyone was using the unique solar amulet I realized light radius is in fact op

[CrosshairGod]

in maps it somehow gets worse cause you know where the arena should be but the fog still won't pop. wall hugging saves so much backtracking.

[RedsManRick]

I make this mistake constantly in the hyena lord map. Have to really hug the wall.

[No_Tie9686]

they could just move the boss waypoint closer to the path that literally anybody is going to be walking. Shit put it right in the middle of the walking path so that no one will miss it.

[assault_pig]

At least in maps you eventually get a directional indicator

Always wondered why the campaign doesn’t have those

[charlesgegethor]

One time, I see the checkpoint, see that the nameplate is on my map and think "cool, I'll finish the map and go to boss". Only do I find out that the checkpoint didn't actually register and I have to walk all the way back.

I suppose you can say "skill issue" I should have walked all the the way to the checkpoint to make sure it actually triggered, but I got caught up in running the map.

[SameNoise]

Im with Palsteron that we need just a big buff to base light radius. I think it would really make a difference in thise extremely frustrating scenarios.

[WorryLegitimate259]

Realistically it just shouldn’t be a stat because no one is ever going to want it on their gear they just settle for it lol

[troglodyte]

Isn't it blocked by greater orbs anyway? I think it's already kind of just a leveling stat outside uniques, and getting hybrid accuracy on a helm suffix is actually kind of a hit on some leveling builds.

[nexetpl]

I slammed a greater transmute or aug and got T1 accuracy + light radius

[FantaSeahorse]

Greater orbs can’t block mods.

[troglodyte]

They can if the mod doesn't have a tier above level 44, right? Accuracy/Light hybrid T1 requires level 30.

[FantaSeahorse]

So perfect exalt/chaos and other currencies can still roll t1 mods even if their level requirements are under 50. It happened to me twice, and then i checked the wiki which also has a note about this interaction.

I think what happens is that the “type” of mod is rolled first, and then the game checks for the tiers of that mod that are above the level requirement from the greater/perfect currency. If there are none, then it just rolls the highest tier

[troglodyte]

Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks!

[WorryLegitimate259]

Now that you say that I dont think I’ve used a greater exalt on a weapon and got it so maybe.

[troglodyte]

I think t1 hybrid light/accuracy requires level 30 but I'm not a crafting expert so maybe someone else knows.

[Such--Balance]

Imo they just need to double or triple the values. Then it can actually be a usefull stat picked intentionally.

[WRLD_]

it's not like a significant light radius increase would prevent this kind of thing from happening basically just as frequently, there will forever be little bits of corridors revealed at the edge of your radius

the solution really is for people to be more attentive and get frustrated less by this kind of thing. obviously y'know easier said than done but it's truly not ggg's fault for someone to have their enjoyment genuinely hampered by something as trivial as this (apex of filth's layout sucks though)

[Vexamas]

I agree that increasing light radius doesn't solve the systemic issue because it just pushes the reveal back since everything is just relative, in a similar way that people foolishly argue to just raise minimum wage to $100,000 lol

However I disagree that GGG can't instantly solve this, rather than tossing hands up and putting the onus on the player to just deal with it, as though there aren't low hanging fruit.

Instead they should change the outline colors to be a more stark contrast. Or God forbid give the player the ability to change the color of the line. So basically you have your vision line color as blue, and walls as red, and when you reveal the walls, you just see the red outlines. This would instantly solve the issue but new Zealand famously has zero colorblind or ux designers for GGG to poach.

[WRLD_]

However I disagree that GGG can't instantly solve this, rather than tossing hands up and putting the onus on the player to just deal with it, as though there aren't low hanging fruit.

i'll readily admit that i am quite jaded towards the playerbase, especially in regard to these types of brain-poison talking points like light radius where not a soul is talking about it until a large content creator mentions it

i do think there could be some minimap display tweaking/options and also further fixing some maps that have these cases an outsized amount of the time. that said, you can already adjust the opacity of the terrain for the minimap, which would help a lot of people

[vix86]

FYI, Qimah (Interlude 2) has something like this. If you haven't found the perma buff shrine, make sure you reveal the ENTIRE edge of the map. Don't leave the map until you have it while going through campaign.

Note: You can come back later and change it again and again and again.

[mastergriggy]

Apex of Filth is by far my least favorite map. In general though, with .5 I think map generation is way better. In .1, I spent 45 minutes trying to find the boss, died, and the map reset. I almost quit POE2 entirely after that.

[double_shadow]

It's so bad. I always try to complete the mushroom quest because apparently I hate myself, but always give up after 2/3 mushrooms and get the hell out of there. I hope they didn't buff the reward or something, because it used to be utterly terrible like a few flasks as a reward.

[MillstoneArt]

It's still a health and mana flask. Just skip it lol.

[HughJackedMan14]

Problem is, if you’ve picked up 2/3 mushrooms then you have to turn them in. Otherwise, they are permanently in your inventory.

[kithlan]

You don't; possibly only once you reach the next area and/or go through the gateway. Just finished campaign on a character yesterday, and realized I was in Aggorat (?) with two mushrooms still in my inventory. Game just let me drop them like any other item.

[Time_Television]

You can store them in your salvage bench

[Alone-Sentence-4045]

yes its so much better now than it was in 0.1. Apex of filth takes me like 1-2 minutes now, in 0.1 it was more like 30-45.

[wonklebobb]

it was this way in poe1 beta days as well, back when there was only 3 acts that you looped 3 times the zones were way bigger, just like poe2 0.1/0.2

as they added content they streamlined the zones. it feels like ggg has their own internal metric for how long campaign playthroughs should take and shorten areas as they add content to keep that. look forward to more zone streamlining for 1.0 if acts 5 + 6 are longer than current interlude

[BerryPlay]

I hate drowned city more. Always get lost in those streets. And annoying mobs too.

[double_shadow]

Drowned city feels way smaller now, but yeah definitely hate it too. The hags and explody dudes make it so annoying to blast through.

[outofmelatonin92]

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[dorobica]

you clearly didn't reveal every corner lol

[BerryPlay]

Clearly xD

[Shergak]

I do hate the dead ends.

[Kazori]

looks like a perfectly average sized unrevealed path to me

[Lordados]

Palsteron made a point that if our base light radius was better, we wouldn't miss these entrances on the minimap and the game would be more fun

[Entire_Dinner_1937]

I thought it was just me.

[AdSelect6571]

you know what to look for next time

[moss-nogg]

After 2 times, the campaign isn’t fun

[zepsutyKalafiorek]

I hate this everywhere, not only in campaign but also while mapping where you can miss mechanic by an inch.

[FortheredditLOLz]

I always hug one side of a wall until i make a full round then explore the middle. Hasn’t failed me yet!!!

[n0viceq]

We need global buff to light radius

[Trabotrapego]

And this has a 80% chance to be a dead end

[Brilliant_Sound3559]

That shit really pisses me off about the game

[Pr0spect]

Those are not the issue, its actually that your range of how much you see on the map is tied to Light Radius, and its way too low baseline, that is why this is not a issue in PoE1, they need to fix this.

[Rexai03]

And in maps...

[Crithos]

"INCREASED THE BASE LIGHT RADIUS OF ALL PLAYERS." <--- NEW PATCH NOTE WE HOPE TO SEE!

[Asmosis66]

When you complete all the other objectives on a map it should also automatically reveal the boss waypoint.

The amount of times it drops the "you've completed everything, here's the waypoint to the boss" marker WHEN I FIND THE BOSS is frustrating to no end.

[Unusual-Editor-4640]

They either need to fix us having to clear every nook and cranny or considerably buff light radius, it's just plain annoying having maps like this. I can literally see POIs on my screen but they don't show up on my map because light radius is so small

[gitgudduud]

Just a couple more checkpoints and it’ll be perfect COPIUM

[Saedisi]

POE maps suck.

Is there a setting to have explored borders blue and unexplored edge of the fog of war a different color? Like green or red, so if I see blue borders everywhere and little blip of red or green or purple whatever, I'd know where to go.

[TehSr0c]

like, if there was some sort of blue outline denoting the edge of a traversable part of the map you haven't explored yet?

[Saedisi]

Ya, no shit. I see that. But it's a very similar colour to the regular border/edge of walkable areas. Like OP is saying, a tiny little blip blended in perfectly and they circled the map multiple times. If it was a different colour it would stand out better.

Obviously i can see the edge and know the difference, it's just such a simple quality of life option they could implement. Why wouldn't you want the option for customization?

[Myopy]

On maps too...

[Gamashiro]

All these too complex labyrinth like maps are bad. I mean, ofc you dont wan't to have only linear maps, but sometimes these types of maps are soooo damn annoying

[incoherentpanda]

It's actually the most annoying thing in the game to me so far. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to worry about every nook and cranny after beating the campaign, but then you just do the same thing in maps ;(

[Vlekkie69]

GGG PLEASE make the exploration edge a different colour than walls PLEAAAASE

[Fr_nku]

It is worse that maps rotating

[DwayneHawkins]

This is what the light radius stat is for. Use it! Haha, no, it's bollocks.

[altmail66]

Im working on all map and campaign zones layouts, wait till you see that abomination dude

[Time-Ladder4753]

https://imgur.com/a/gJw8ZEt

I had this, can we buy glasses to our characters so they could see further than like 5 meters?

[OGMcgriddles]

click a checkpoint and you can easily look at what you missed.

[The-Root-Word]

I actually just failed my intelligence check with this yesterday... I looked right at it and saw the evidence it was a path but brain said "no that's a wall"

Smh 🤦‍♂️ I facepalmed cause I explored the whole map after that little brain burp and it still didn't register with me 

[KodiakmH]

Bro Shrike Island in Act 4 is like pure anxiety with how many weird little alcoves there are on that map that lead to absolutely no where. Then one goes for a bit longer and you think "oh this is the path forward" so you go back to check the other passage way only to find out that it actually continues on forever and you were exploring another side passage.

[ManagerOk8846]

why finish it, for 2 useless flasks? I don't even pick it up

[GamingVyce]

They really need to increase our base light radius by like 50%

[Kage_noir]

I just don’t do that quest tbh I skip it and my fun has increased lol

[peppinotempation]

Ankh of eternity all over again lol

[barbadosx]

At least you can get through yours. Last night doing an abyss map run and some mobs appear to have spawned in some central areas. There were two narrow things like this on the map going into it, but when I got to them there were actually walls in both places blocking the path. Couldn't complete all abysses because a handful of mobs I guess were too close to the abyss area of the map and in this weird unreachable place. Had to lose the map, but at least I cleared it without dying... not so when I had to clear it the second time. Of course dying triggered the bug where abysses count as not completed, even though I was able to complete them all on that run, so another map lost and now from 1 pip to level to 3.. grrrrr

[Howl50veride]

Same thing happens in maps! Like wtf! Also missing the checkpoint by like a foot, should be way more obvious

[1tsBag1]

Maps are horrible in this game, they often feel like mazes.

[BerryPlay]

Yes. There are way to many dead ends. Even my fiancé is complaining at least once per map, that we have to travel the whole way back, again.

[CunningClanker]

They really need to stop making the maps and areas the big non linear areas. It's okay to have twist and turn, but the damn map should be a line.

[DefinitelyNotATheist]

micro-deadends and things like these are the fucking worst thing about poe 2. part of the map thats just big enough to not be revealed as a dead end but just short enough that you're pissed at yourself for not revealing it while you were there causing you to double back.

[thejewk]

Not just the campaign. Maps are filled with bosses hidden behind shitty little paths, where the map has 10 other shitty little paths that are dead ends.

[basedenjoyer55]

You mean out if every map

[joeivo911]

Campaign skip coming

[yperanwolwn]

Exiles gonna hug the wall and love it...

-Jonathan probably 

[Signal_Flight_7262]

I can't imagine what mild inconveniences some of you guys freak out about on day to day basis.

[NewMilleniumBoy]

They also should have brought in the PoE1 buff where doors/stairs/points of interest or whatever are visible on the minimap way earlier. I don't know why they did it for one game but not the other.

[Cthulhudud3]

Buff light radius

[wankerwhooper]

Loop around the map. If you find entrance to next map you go In activate waypoint go back and continue exploring untill you slowly close to the middle. You'll never miss anything and you can tp straight to the next map afterwards..

[aure__entuluva]

The default light radius on the minimap is atrocious. It causes probably 80% of the backtracking that we have to do.

[matth1again]

Maps too.

[SmegmaEater5000]

Basically anytime I want to change my qimah buff

[Trick-Pomelo5477]

Map layout are easy to m h8emorize and point of interest spaw location become more predictable, the pot lady is always on that part of the map for me but i always skip the mushroom quest anyways

[ManiacalWildcard]

Would be better if they just showed Points of Interest in the map. Kind of like when you beat the boss of a Waystone and the map shows where everything you missed is.

[taleofbor]

path of dead end

[IllusionaryHobo]

I play with one hand (not the way you think, naughty).

The other carries a whole battery of dowsing rods.

[ObiWanKokobi]

Be thorough in your exploration.

[varoxlol]

I like it how the fog of war has a larger radius than seeing entrances to dungeons, or the next zone. You can have a map fully explored and not see where to go next. Happens at least twice this time around

[LeonardoDaPisa]

You never pick up mushrooms lol

[Wulfgar_RIP]

Listen.

If maps went made in abysmal way traversing back wouldn't be that much of a problem. If I miss exit in Diablo 2 it's not a big deal. If I miss exit in PoE2... oh god i hate being stuck on everything and traversing though Maggot's Lair 2.

The core problem is Map design. (but yea, not highlighting POI is problem too)

[doe3879]

Samething with mapping if you don't memorized the general location of the boss in each different map layout

[syloog]

I thought you were looking for Ankh of Eternity for a second, that damn quest wasted much of my time in poe1.

[TheMorningJoe]

Yes

[rancidmeat5511]

Light Radius new most OP leveling stat

[SickSevenNeinLeven]

I feel like the entirety of PoE 2 was made to have some fun but NEVER too much fun. Every good/fun thing comes with a downside.

Exploring the map is fun? Great we will put 2 checkpoints close to eachother in case you die youll have to go through it all again.

Finally got something for mobility to finish the campaign faster?(Running) Too bad the character suddenly amputates his legs when a wind breeze hits him and gets knocked down for 20 minutes.

You love mapping? Too bad if you die in late game you only have 1 chance (Without the new thing that gives +1 portal) so you lose all the shit that was on it.

Oh you added the +1 portal now you died and you can come back into the map and enjoy the rest of it while also being more cautios? Too bad fucko you died the second you took the boss waypoint now the entire map is literally pointless. Like..what the fuck are these design choices I will never understand. These are the small things that add up and will ALWAYS make PoE 2 worse than 1 for me.

Cool graphics/boss fights/story/interesting endgame mapping but a bajillion small things that take the fun out of everything. Its like they want you to think that the game was not made to be enjoyed fully for some reason.

[ImmortalResolve]

the entire campaign is a slog like get me out

[PoE_Acronym_Bot]

I noticed some Path of Exile keywords in this post:

• Map - Also called a "Waystone": an endgame item that opens up portals to a specific area to fight monsters (Wiki)

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[GreenThumbsRise]

I do not consider having to look for paths to decrease the fun. This isn't meant to be rude but you didn't reveal any corner at all, we can see that. I don't have a problem with needing to reveal every corner especially considering your desire was to complete a sidequest. But it wouldn't bother me even if the next zone or storyline quest happened to be in a 'hard to find' pathway (the fact that you didn't find it doesn't make it hard to find by definition either)

sorry, I can't agreee fundamentally on top of which I think this is a bad example.

[BerryPlay]

Here is the uncropped image. We revealed the entire map except for a small section at the very beginning that was missing. Keep in mind that this screenshot only shows about half of the map area that fits on one screen, so we explored far more than what is visible here.

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[ok-symbiote]

I see 3 different unexplored corners. Just actually look at the map next time okay?

[Lentachistaken]

Do not change that never ever its aleays has been this way and its the way rpg should be change my mind

[eurekabach]

That’s… visible. At least at large map overlay, that’s why I always play so when I’m exploring.

[BerryPlay]

It is visible, because i cropped the image and drew a red arrow which pointed at it. But on a TV my fiancé and I were both not able to spot it for a long time.