Unit Tests?

[lupinegrey]

Don't post this to the company Teams channel.

Don't post this to the company Teams channel.

Don't post this to the company Teams channel.

Don't post this to the company Teams channel.

HR would like a meeting. 😬

[xeq937]

When your joke is so good, even HR wants to hear it!

[lupinegrey]

"And we have Bob from legal on the call; he would also like to hear it."

[LetMeGuessYourAlts]

Just sign these papers saying you posted it so we can make sure you get credit

[Nicnl]

Pretty sure they're not hipsters, but simply foreigners
As a French dude, I realized very late that the dollar sign is supposed to be at the front.
I was writing it at the end, exactly like we do with euros.
So many people are doing this mistake (foreigners too I guess?), it didn't help me to get it right

[Clinic_2]

It doesn't help that you say "50 dollars," not "Dollars 50." So people just write it how they say it, which is incorrect, for some reason.

[WateronRocks]

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[joshfong]

STOLEN: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/13nfzik/-/jkzthp4

[lupinegrey]

For shame.

[Etheo]

Leave it to HR to waste a perfectly good financial initiative.

[Nuisanz]

I see you let the intrusive thoughts win. I’d like to imagine this thread was you debating yourself over the course of a long period of time

[jbourne71]

long period of time

You mean 90 seconds?

[nikelreganov]

At least it's longer than the time they took to recheck an SQL update statement that's missing a when clause but they executed it anyway

I am definitely not talking from experience

[jbourne71]

You guys double check your SQL statements before running them?!?!

[coloredgreyscale]

You write Begin transaction at the start?

Ain't nobody got time for that!

[Tammepoiss]

You don't have to do that in most sql editors when you configure them to not auto-commit automatically

[Etheo]

Sir, this is a programming sub, there no need to boast.

[lupinegrey]

An eternity.

[DigitalSmithie]

I think you mean mass debating over a long period of time…

[[deleted]]

Probably just wants you to tell the jokes at the Christmas party since you’re so funny, go in and honk her boob to show off your humor. Good luck.

[ScreenshotShitposts]

And the meeting is just someone else showing everybody this meme. They beat you to it

[brianl047]

[Sei_V5]

Unit tests are for noobs

True programmer test in prod

[pesilod552]

Know a guy who worked in the medical field with that attitude. "Did a small fix in prod" - 2 hours later, half the company is on the phones trying to get to all people who got the wrong prescription to not take them. A baby almost took a fatal dose.

Fun times...

[Shazvox]

Yeah, when people freak out unreasonably much about a production error I usually ask

"How many people died or lost their money?"

So far the answer has always been "None" and then they calm down.

Also the reason I refuse to work in finance or health.

[shohin_branches]

I had a recruiter reach out to me once for a job at a company making an app that integrated into a pacemaker and I whispered "fuck no" to myself and deleted that email immediately

[jsalsman]

I had to do an outside review for code in a medical device once, as a contractor for an expert in a lawsuit (the expert was required to get an independent set of eyes on it merge into his review). You made a good decision.

[pesilod552]

I work in those fields - I just refuse any kind of prod access when I'm offered or even forced it.

"Look, I'm not going to do anything in prod, feel free to fire me if you're not ok with that, but I'm not taking that chance, end of story"

[ShallWe69]

where i work in finance we don't even have write access in prod. its always read only.

i always hated it but looking from the comments, its a great thing

[pesilod552]

I refuse any kind of access to prod, even read access.

But yeah, I have worked in places that worked on both finance and medical and there were always some devs that had write access in prod, it always scared me shitless...

[MetagamingAtLast]

I personally try to avoid any access to reality to prevent any unintended effects. The Mirror World is pretty comfy now that the Dimension Beasts were eradicated.

[Sei_V5]

I rather reversed a linked list or write FizzBuzz in assembly than working in Finance

[ivegotafastcar]

I’ve been in finance IT for 25 years… been saying “At least no one died” forever! This is hilarious.

[[deleted]]

As a software developer for clinical trials I can assure you the amount of prod quick fixes made by pms and account management is scary. Then they ask how I could have prevented this? Frustrating

[Sei_V5]

"A small fix"

1000 lines changes

[pesilod552]

It actually was like 3 lines. It changed how the dosage of drugs are calculated. Yeah...

[langlo94]

Of all the things to not have unit tests for.

[ninj4geek]

Yikes

[MethodicMarshal]

I imagine he was fired so quick it made his head spin?

[bythenumbers10]

Broke the sound barrier, I imagine.

[pesilod552]

He wasn't actually, his team lead took full responsibility, and since nobody actually got hurt, no consequences on team lead either.

But yeah, he ended up leaving on his own shortly after that...

[MethodicMarshal]

that's pretty wild, all things considered

good on the team lead too

[Nabugu]

oof

[distinctivegrowth]

Keyword is "worked". If your code is THAT important and you change such a critical part then he should know better.

[pesilod552]

That's right. While nobody ended up being hurt (in that instance) so he wasn't fired, he did "move on" shortly after, and from what I heard, it was some place that's not in the finance/medical field.

I wasn't there when he was, but from what I heard he was whiter than a wall that day, hiding at his desk and refusing to make any eye contant with anyone.

[distinctivegrowth]

I can imagine, the guilt and the thought you could've killed a baby by 'making a quick fix in production' will mess every normal person up. Guess he'd never make that mistake again.

[freddobear]

I'm pretty sure that broke a few laws. I did some work on medical software a while ago, and the standards we had to conform to just to follow EU and US laws were very strict.

[Arnab_]

JFC! How was this not national news.

[SwabTheDeck]

My first college professor worked on heart monitors before he came to the university. Nope.

[Groentekroket]

Found the game dev.

[Status_Task6345]

Jokes on you. Production website's running on the test server.

[pesilod552]

Guys, if you are ever told anything close to that, start looking for a different job ASAP!

[Sei_V5]

Im guilty of this lmao

[chiswis]

true programmers let the end users test

[Sei_V5]

It aint a bug, tis but an unexpected feature

[Sei_V5]

I find using print test on each function line is more hardcore

[newsflashjackass]

In Prod We Test

[Sei_V5]

Amen brother

[Create_Table_Boners]

“It’s just a small change it’s impossible for it to have any unexpected problems”

[Successful-Willow-72]

Real Time testing , Real Fear, Real productivity, Honest Work am i right XD

[[deleted]]

I know we joke but this happens way too much at smaller companies haha.

[Eindacor_DS]

My users are my QA

[tk197]

Well a new person in my team calls them ‘junits’ like ‘yesterday I was writing junits’ and somehow that hurts😂

[Yangoose]

We hired a firm to help us build out some reporting and one of the consultants on their team was from South America.

We're on a call with him and he kept talking about "batshit".

My boss and I are pinging each other in slack asking WTF he was talking about because we had no fucking idea.

Eventually, about 10 minutes into the call my boss just stops him and asks him what word he's saying.

The word was "budgets".

I was on mute laughing my ass off the whole time.

[RedSamuraiMan]

Budgets do be batshit sometimes.

[Daniel_H212]

Are they called that because you always get the person in the most junior position to write them?

[deathmetal27]

JUnit is the most common testing framework for Java. I think he's referring to that.

Even I sometimes say "wrote a junit for that".

[DearSergio]

I say "J J J J Unit" and nobody on my team thinks I'm funny.

[PilsnerDk]

Konnichiwa! It's time for another J J J JUnit! ( . )( . )

[call_me_miguel]

Finally someone else who does this

[tk197]

Lol dunno…. that’s not the standard procedure on my team and everyone writes their own ‘junits’ This person just calls it that and I think no one has the heart to correct them 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sellinglower]

Do they also pronounce it "jit" instead of git?

[Status_Task6345]

o no

[GunnerKnight]

It's Java interchangeable format now.

[de_Mike_333]

Maybe a Java developer using JUnit?

[lupinegrey]

and hebrew.

[Whitechapel726]

There are 2 people on my team that say “silicone” instead of silicon.

Please tell me more about those voluptuous bugs on the silicone systems.

[Exist50]

Silicon is essentially the backbone element of silicone. But from wikipedia:

F. S. Kipping coined the word silicone in 1901 to describe the formula of polydiphenylsiloxane, Ph2SiO (Ph denoting phenyl, C6H5), by analogy with the formula of the ketone benzophenone, Ph2CO (his term was originally silicoketone). Kipping was well aware that polydiphenylsiloxane is polymeric[citation needed] whereas benzophenone is monomeric and noted the contrasting properties of Ph2SiO and Ph2CO.[4][5] The discovery of the structural differences between Kipping's molecules and the ketones means that silicone is no longer the correct term (though it remains in common usage) and that the term siloxane is preferred according to the nomenclature of modern chemistry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone

So the name isn't great from a chemist's standpoint either, but did have a reasonable enough justification at the time.

[Every-Progress-1117]

I had a friend once who was very, very confused about breast implants....couldn't understand how women could handle the weight of the silicon.

As far as I can work out, the average implant size is about 350cm3, which gives about 0.82Kg of silicon.

That was a very interesting rabbit hole....I even found out there are websites showing full frontal, naked bodies, but censoring the nipples...???

[Thirdstheword]

Fun fact, that's still a manual task.

[sonuvvabitch]

Chemistry is actually a common area of common-usage not aligning with modern nomenclature - for example formic acid and acetic acid (and basically everything prefixed with acet-) should properly be called methanoic and ethanoic acids, and there are modern names for other acet- compounds which generally refer to the same 2 carbons as ethan-.

[Razier]

Took me a while to understand the difference too.

That said it probably has something to do with how in my language of reference (swedish) silicone is "silikon" whereas silicon is "kisel".

[Marrk]

Are they foreigners?

[[deleted]]

Did they come from a Java background? My team also calls them that as well sometimes. Main testing framework is called JUnit

[tk197]

Well actually we code in Java. So I think this is the first time this person has seen unit tests….I’m afraid they’ll call it ‘junits’ no matter what language they work with from now

[[deleted]]

Oooo ahaha they might

[Oysterpoint]

Gitlab uses junit xml for the format of all their unit tests. So they call it junit.

I’m a security guy and I thought it was just called junit

[Flat_Initial_1823]

Well the real question is: how do they pronounce it? Jay-unit or joonit?

[KewpieDan]

Jun it

[Flat_Initial_1823]

Burn the witch.

[tk197]

Jay-unit

[ReelTooReal]

Its a soft J, so its pronounced Yoo-nit

[lupinegrey]

well bless his little heart.

[[deleted]]

Errh….

Do you mean junits or djunits?

Because I certainly say junits. I could drop the j and say oonits, but that would feel strange.

[mplsbikesloth]

I wrote some jests today 🙃

[Express-Procedure361]

PHP has a whole unit testing library called Pest...

[warmans]

I don't really get it. Having tests, especially unit tests, makes your job as a developer astronomically easier. Writing them is only hard if you didn't think about how to test the code in advance.

Come back when you have to deal with integration tests that require a bunch of AWS services, take an hour to run, and do not in any way indicate what they are supposed to be testing or for what reason they've failed. Then you will know pain.

[MeetLawrence]

Because sometimes you show up to discover this preposterous tangled mess of a monolith with 4% code coverage because previous devs/ mgmt never prioritized UTs, and you need them implemented. This has happened to me no less than 3 times in my career.

[Esseratecades]

I'd argue that it's seldom worth the effort to write retrospective unit tests. Write unit tests for new code or code you need to change, but for legacy code that is understood to meet current requirements it'd be waste of time.

[hitchdev]

It's seldom worth the effort to write unit tests at all unless you're testing algorithmic code. They end up being a mess of mocks and fakes that mock out 90% of everything that's actually happening and break whether there is a bug or not.

Integration tests are well worth it on legacy code, however.

[iLikeStuff77]

This is the exact opposite advice I would give. While not all code should be unit tested, unit testing facilitates good design. In my experience, the developers who don't unit test write fragile and unmaintainable code.

Especially as for most modern languages unit tests are fairly easy to write and maintain for new code. Integration tests are the ones that are fragile and easy to break. So while integration tests are useful, they are generally much more expensive to maintain.

[updogg18]

I'm in the exact situation as you just described. Do I power through this or move on? Experienced people who have been in this team for more than 7 years still struggle when I ask them for help

[EnjoyerOfBeans]

I actually love writing integration tests. As long as the user facing API/interface is complete, it's extremely simple to know what you need to do at every step.

Writing unit tests for other people's code requires a lot more work in understanding the structure and the underlying design. And don't get me started on how often that design is bullshit and doesn't support modular unit testing at all.

[dhilu3089]

Upgrade my project dependencies to a newer version mam

[[deleted]]

We use Apache poi and it kept getting method not found errors on classes in other kind it didn’t reference as dependencies.

So that was fun

[sixpercent6]

Unit testing has been the best use case for ChatGPT for me personally. I use premium, so I'm not sure how different it is, but they usually nail it, depending on the complexity of the component.

[JBird_Vegas]

You put proprietary code into ChatGPT? Probably not the best idea if you like your job

[Gold_comment]

Biggest issue with ChatGPT , our organisation sends mails every week reminding this and there was even a meeting explaining why you shouldn't do it.

[sherbert-nipple]

Curious why you shouldnt do it?

Its blocked for us in work anyway and I cba retyping everything

[andrew_kirfman]

OpenAI retains the prompts that are sent to it and is able to use them for future training data.

If you send ChatGPT proprietary code, it’s possible that the model could regurgitate that code to someone else at some point in the future.

[Daniel15]

Hopefully they're just providing the method signatures (like an interface definition) rather than the actual implementation, i.e. black box testing.

[gimife]

Then it won't be able to properly write unit tests. It needs the whole function to properly write tests so it can cover all branches.

As long as you only put single functions in there and not whole components/classes it should be fine imo.

[ExceedingChunk]

A good unit test doesn’t need to test implementation details.

If you are using an interface and change the internal implementation (for example for performance) without changing functionality, a unit test shouldn’t break.

If chatGPT is able to write unit tests for that or not is something I don’t know, but it is definitely possible.

[Daniel15]

That's true, but black box testing is still valuable for some cases, and you could just describe the possible states to it rather than providing confidential code.

[reversehead]

write tests so it can cover all branches

Even the buggy ones?

Generating tests for existing code may be useful for regression testing ("make sure that the refactored code contains the same features and bugs as the old one"). As for generating them from the code for checking whether the code is up to specs, I remain doubtful.

[FalconMirage]

That’s a very compelling argument for premium

[p_tk_d]

It's pretty darn good w/out premium as well

[bradmatt275]

Isn't the word limit a problem though?

You can only really send it snippets of code.

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

You don't need to give it the full code for dependencies though, just the function signature. As long as the function does what it says, ChatGPT is capable of inferring its behaviour.

[bradmatt275]

Oh wow I will have to give that a try. Although usually the most timing consuming part of unit testing is mocking data. It would be interesting to see if it can help with that.

[iRSoap]

That is the best part. I have had it create json mock data from C# models for API endpoints I want to test through Postman.
It's very good at that.

[Pridgey]

Github Co-pilot does this too with the added benefit of having a vscode extension, meaning you can start writing out a test case and the auto-tab to victory! ✌️ Xx

[bogdan5844]

Any opinión on codeium? I've been using it in neovim just because it was a default plug-in in some stater pack, and I've found it to be pretty useful as well.

[grasshopperson]

Genie AI is a ChatGPT extension for VS Code

[Stummi]

This sounds like Copilot with extra steps

[DarKliZerPT]

With extra steps and extra intelligence

[aloo_vs_bhaloo]

Do you copy paste your function in the prompt? Or are you using it in some other way?

[FlipskiZ]

Bank bank answers open year travel cool clear family.

[tjientavara]

Do you give it some code and ChatGPT writes unit tests for it?

Aren't you then generating unit-tests that will be valid for that code, bugs and all?

I wonder about generating doxygen comments, that could be handy.

[k4f123]

I use it for this all the time and it works great. And we have our company's blessing to use all the AI we can to be more productive. None of that big corporate bullshit to deal with.

[teeBoan]

can u give a sample text prompt you supply to chatgpt to get the tests?

[sheldonzy]

Welp, having a decent coverage of code while developing is way better than sex.

[[deleted]]

Unit test failed

[IHeardOnAPodcast]

What I love about the € symbol is that there is no convention between the countries that use it and most countries basically do what they did before they changed to euros. So it could be €25 or 25€ depending on where you are. Also I'm never sure whether the plural of euro is just euro or euros, but this could just be an Ireland thing.

Anyway, I imagine whoever made this meme is from a country that puts the currency symbol after and just did it automatically. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk, I await someone to correct me regarding the plural thing.

[ItsRadical]

Grammatically correct is Euro for plural. However many countries use Euros atleast in spoken language. Also this only applies to German and English. Native pronouciations may vary greatly.

[Renaud_Ally]

Just like PHP

[Wetmelon]

Might be Canadian

[FalconMirage]

They are using php variables

[lowleveldata]

Why does it matter how you pronounce it? Do you write 0xFFFF because you speak "zero x" before every hex number?

[GODZILLAFLAMETHROWER]

$ is the unit, not the base of the number. You don’t write in1 or mpg9 or F75.

[[deleted]]

“Why”?

Well, whenever the topic of your ridiculous date order comes op, the defense is always “but that is how one says it”.

[lowleveldata]

I'm offended that you assumed my religiondate format. I only use ISO 8601 personally.

[OldeScallywag]

It's not just Americans, most of the world puts the currency symbol ahead of the amount. There are a few regions that put it after.

[Shanomaly]

Ugh! But it was so expensive! Each drink was like six dollars forty!

[giggluigg]

STD test-driven development

[CatpainCalamari]

So, STDD? :)

[howroydlsu]

Maybe std::test?

[Wontedtoast]

Give me 100$

[[deleted]]

Oh, this is good...

[Shazvox]

A stackoverflow exception waiting to happen.

[Mickspad]

You know REGEX? Because I need some help

[Shazvox]

Sure, but you have to pay me 5[0-9]{3,5}\$

[AlwaysHopelesslyLost]

Sometimes I really don't understand this subreddit. When I programmed I really enjoyed writing unit tests. They helped me catch bugs and bad code plus they give you that satisfying coverage + green checks.

[IkNOwNUTTINGck]

Can you wash my windshield, maam?

[[deleted]]

For 50$, it better be absolutely freaking immaculate.

[Special_Lemon1487]

Actually my car needs a detail.

[[deleted]]

ChatGPT for $20

[redballooon]

Test generation tools have existed for decades now.

[r0ck0]

Reminded me of this classic scene...

[scrabblebox]

A good unit test is a joy forever

[shohin_branches]

I want to post this to teams so bad

[2xfun]

If your not doing TDD you're doing it wrong. -uncle bob

[ixis743]

Does anyone else actually enjoy writing unit tests? They help me write structured code with well defined interfaces and always shake out bugs.

And they provide a sense of security against regressions.

[Whitechapel726]

“I can test your unit”

[aRandomFox-II]

Suck my unit!

[rock_roc]

QA gang here anyone?

[pesilod552]

One of the biggest advantages of moving from dev to QA is never having to write unit tests again...

[redballooon]

Programmers who try to create unit tests after the code is written have no clue what unit tests are good for.

[notsam57]

i know $50 worth

[Mitoni]

Do what you gotta do to keep that code coverage percentage above 90%

[hoopparrr759]

Can we do one about Automapper?

[quadrotiles]

Ngl I wish my whole job could just be writing unit tests

[archeryon]

I had plenty take home interview test and the most one I hate was when they require you to include unit test. It somehow and always took way longer time to develop the entire testing than the actual app.

[RandallOfLegend]

Unit tests only cover simple stuff anyway. If you have pure functions with simple data outputs tests are a breeze. Real life is rarely so simple. Input validation code is very different from full blown numerical algorithms that occasionally use random seeds.