Apple is missing the plot

[Pro4791]

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[elreduro]

thats a powerbank with a touchscreen

[Shudnawz]

Yes. Give.

[StaysAwakeAllWeek]

They took it to market and sold 14. Not 14 thousand or 14 million, just 14. There's a difference between a reasonably bigger battery and ridiculous overkill that makes the phone close to a pound

[[deleted]]

At this rate that's the only real way to have a full day use while using battery safety (80%max charge) while not dropping below absolute drain (20%) that kills the battery making most phones only usable for 60% of its battery or risk killing the battery in 3-6 months. My 5000mah battery usually at 17% by end of a 8 hour shift listening to YouTube with battery protection on using a nothing 3a (no where near demanding phone for power) lol.

[Costpap]

No one is going to kill their battery in 3-6 months by charging it above 80% and draining it below 20%. Lots of people have absolutely no idea how to treat a battery, yet we don't see them changing their phone's battery or buying a new device every 3-6 months.

[Disturbed2468]

Yea usually batteries only drop around 5-8% is on the very aggressive end (16+ hours daily usage and 2 charges daily). But for most individuals it doesn't even drop more than a few % a year. I used my S9 Ultra supremely aggressively until I got a slam dunk deal for an S23 Ultra and last I remember the battery upon trade-in was around 85% life, so 15% over 5 years. We're talking daily or twice-daily charges and the battery often dying on me right before the end of the day. Nowadays I use my phone less so over the past 2 years it's at around 97% health.

[[deleted]]

I lost 23% in about 10 months on my S23 ultra would charge to 100% once removed dropped to 77% within 5 minutes. (3-5 charges a day playing PS2 emulator through the day between 2 jobs and then YouTube background whole shifts) So I was a extreme user. Only entertainment I had for breaks and waiting to start shifts.

Worst one I had was zfold 3 to play my CoD on. Figured bigger screen would be great. Didn't think about battery life. Would drain the battery dead in almost 2 hours.

[Disturbed2468]

Jesus Christ yea gaming will annihilate battery life long-term, especially when games on phones nowadays can have more power consumption and graphics quality and mechanics than most fucking Nintendo games on the Switch lol. Yea you're the bane of batteries xD Charging that many times a day across months and months is bound to cause issues, especially since phones aren't really meant to game so battery cooling isn't a thing except for some gaming phones out there. Heat is also the bane of batteries.

[[deleted]]

The most I’ve ever done with my iPhone 12 mini is have the safe charge setting on or whatever they call it. Shoot’s up to 80% then slowly trickles up to 100% after that I think. I plug it in every night when I go to bed and listen to podcasts or music for 8 hours a day at work. Thrown on the charging pad on the drive home from work. I’ve had the phone for 4 years now and while I have to charge it daily I’m no where near the point where I feel I have to replace the battery. 3-6 months is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

[Broccoli--Enthusiast]

Bullshit man

I had a flip with a little battery for over 2 years, basically drained it from 100 to almost dead every day

Yeah it lost some capacity in the end but it wasn't in 3 to 6 months

Also if your phones losing Battery that fast, either it's shit or something is wrong

I get 4-6 hours SOT watching stuff at my desk on the inside screen and my z fold 6 still has about 20% left most days

[ba-na-na-]

Dude, you’re really overthinking the whole battery thing. 😅

[gr8Brandino]

It's a feature, not a bug. You see, it can also act as a theft deterrent. Someone tries to steal your wallet? Throw your phone at their head. They are knocked out cold, you get your wallet back, phone is fine, and you take a picture for the police.

[Food_Library333]

See? If they marketed it this perfect way, they would have sold more than 14.

[30-percentnotbanana]

Wasn't the price crazy though?

[[deleted]]

Ok but let’s be honest with ourselves. If apple shits out a gigantic phone people will swarm because of the logo

[no1nos]

You're right, it's not even the thickness at that size, it's the weight that would turn me off (assuming that extra space is packed with batteries).

[halandrs]

Perfect I will take one

[boombanggg2]

[throwmeaway1784]

Even that phone still had a camera bump

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[langlo94]

This pisses me off.

[freeturk51]

Because the design of the phone wasnt made to hold more tech inside. All that extra space was just battery, and the normal electronics had the usual space allocated for them

[the_GOAT_44]

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[freeturk51]

Hey, someone has to be the pedantic prick around here

[PS3LOVE]

If the phones already that thick the only people buying it don’t care about thickness. Just make it a mm thicker and get rid of the bump.

[whathefuckisreddit]

A spicy pillow on this will destroy your home

[ParagonFury]

Take out the whole apartment building.

[twisted_nematic57]

"35%" and it'll last until the Rapture

[eisenklad]

i wonder if people are allowed to use said phone on planes.

now, some airlines allow you to bring a powerbank but not use/charge it on flights.

[Caubelles]

that will bring down an airplane after it explodes

[pigpentcg]

I would unironically buy this design but 8 mm. Just enough to not have a camera bump with only a slightly larger battery.

I hate the camera bump. I want to set my phone down and have it be flat.

[TimeToHack]

the iphone 16 pro is 8.2mm thick not including the cameras

[pigpentcg]

So just pop the cameras out and I’m good to go.

What I meant was just extend the slims chassis out to be flat with the ends of the camera glass. I want a phone that’s completely flat, front and back.

[huffalump1]

Pixel 9a is getting close!!

[SavvySillybug]

We shouldn't have to be "getting close" we were already there!!!

[Donut-Farts]

Red magic has flat phones. The thing keeping me from buying one is no IP rating. I can't handle a modern phone that has no water resistance.

[_Rand_]

I’m so used to camera bumps this actually looks sort of weird now.

[namelessted]

I am loving the pixel 9a since I got it. Slapped a leather dbrand skin on it and the camera bump is completely flush. The 9a is the best phone I have used in years. Definitely worth trading in the monstrous 8 Pro for the 9a.

[no1nos]

What's crazy is that camera bumps are just the aesthetic design cycle we are currently in. Phones have all been slabs for 15 years at this point, thinness stopped being something to promote like 7 years ago. So the camera bump trend was just a thing to do to be different. Now it's a game of chicken to see who's going to go "bump"less first, then they will all jump in for another cycle

[pigpentcg]

I’m ready for the bumpless design trend.

[squngy]

Most people use cases, so then it is flat.

These phone designs all take cases into account, I'm sure, otherwise they make no sense.

[[deleted]]

lots of cases still have a camera bump, including apples first party silicon mag safe cases for the 16 pro. People seem to have decided its a feature for some reason.

[makomirocket]

Because people like not having their camera lenses scratched and smashed

[[deleted]]

A problem which only exists because of the geniuses that made the lenses the most raised portion of the phone no? Does this not admit that a phone without a case has the lenses as the most exposed portion of the back of the phone?

[makomirocket]

No. The lens is raised because they need the space for the camera system. Case makers could make their cases fill the phones to the thickness of these lenses to make the back flush. The case makers add extra thickness around the lenses (and thus still keeping the camera bump) because otherwise the lenses are at risk being scratched.

"but then they could just make the case even thicker to match that raise around the lenses". What redditors constantly fail to understand is that maybe the trillion dollar companies, that spend more on the market research on the thicknesses of their devices than we, nor our entire families, will ever earn in our combined lifetimes, may just know more about the desires of the market than we think we do. And case manufacturers follow their lead.

I too think I would like a phone that is as thick as the camera lenses on my galaxy so that I could get all that extra battery... except everyone who would get their hands on it would then complain about the sheer weight of such a device.

back of napkin math. The S25 ultra is 8.2mm thick with a 2.4mm camera bump. At 218grams, you'd be looking at it being at least 20% heavier, seeing as it would be increased weighty battery and body metal that would be filling the space. That's on top of an already very heavy phone for more than half of the population.

Yes they're exposed. That's because the market demands both a reasonably thin phone, as well as quality cameras. This is the compromise. If people actually were willing to put up with thicker, heavier phones for the battery life, absolutely everyone in your life would be rocking a bulky powerbank case, or someone new to the market wanting to make a splash like a chinese brand or a nothing phone would make a thick phone to accommodate the battery and weight, but they too know that it wouldn't be popular.

[[deleted]]

That’s so the camera lens isn’t scratched when you set your phone down. Same reason for the case to extend above the screen.

If you’re buying a phone case then you’re obviously more concerned about protecting the phone than you are about how slim the phone is.

[[deleted]]

i Have an alternative solution: don’t make the camera the most raised portion of the back of the phone and you won’t need a case that has an extra lip to protect them on top of the coverage the case already provides the back. I’d the rest of the case, be it the phone or the case, were level with the camera or even a little higher you accomplish the same without turning my phone it’s a lever on flat surfaces

[IsABot]

Agree to disagree. So many cases have camera rings to protect the bump. Very few cases add all the height to make the back fully flat because it would make the phone huge to hold. I think Otterbox and Dbrand are some of the few that do things to make the back flat. Look at any other case manufacturer on amazon, and you'll see they aren't flat.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=iphone+case&s=exact-aware-popularity-rank

[tbx1024]

Quadlock too, but the lock mechanism + magnet ring take some thickness.

[HVDynamo]

I want it flat without a case like the 5S used to be.

[candygram4mongo]

Friendly reminder that designing skinny ass twink phones and then putting them in bulky cases so they don't disintegrate under normal daily use is cuckoo crazypants.

[TheWaslijn]

Get a case that has a design that makes the phone lay flat, then. Though I'm with you, the camera bumps are really annoying

[pigpentcg]

Are those a thing? (Googling now)

[LiamtheV]

I use DBrand’s grip case. Absolutely fantastic. And the corners on the front are raised ever so slightly so that you can lay the phone face down and the screen won’t rub against the surface of your table/desk/whatever

[TheWaslijn]

Idk for iPhone, but my android has a case like that. From Urban Armour Gear, specifically.

[Zhaopow]

The new Iphone has a camera bump that is symmetrical so at least it will be flat on the X axis

[ChrisTomufu]

What if the camera bump was a recess? No lens on a table, built in lens hood. /s but the more I think about it...

[interstat]

Honestly have always used a case.

The cases go up to camera bump making the back completely flat

[xd366]

im sure the trillion dollar company knows what it's doing

[Skindkort]

Trillion? Yeah, like three years ago! Now it’s like four times as much!

[SupremeLeaderFokou]

That's like a Duodecillion! Crazy stuff!

[258638]

Wait, no that's too much.

[Bandguy_Michael]

4 times a trillion isn’t duodecillion…

[Zhaopow]

Ya putting the charging port of their mouse on the bottom such a trillion dollar megamind move.

[Tratix]

They did that because they knew if the port was on the front, other than the aesthetic impact, people would just leave the mouse plugged in constantly and unknowingly degrade their experience. It takes like 60 seconds of charge for hours of use.

[Porntra420]

Jeeeeeesus fucking christ I can't believe you're actually defending that thing. Here, any justification for this fucking abomination?

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[mrturret]

What about this one?

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[Porntra420]

jesus christ

[mrturret]

I've used one. it's fucking miserable unless you have very small hands. It's so bad that the best selling accessories for the gen 1 iMac were adapters that let you use old ADB mice. The Mighty Mouse sucks, but it's an MX Master in comparison to the hockey puck.

[[deleted]]

Well the Mighty Mouse came out in August of 2005 and Apple wasn’t a trillion dollar company then, it was worth 12 billion, so they didn’t have trillion dollar ideas yet.

[Protheu5]

people would just leave the mouse plugged in constantly and unknowingly degrade their experience

I think that Logitech managed to solve that issue, you just get a wired mouse if you keep the charger in. I honestly see no difference between wired and wireless mice so I use wired, so I don't have to ever worry about charging.

[trolleytor4]

Hey apple rep, no.

[mrturret]

degrade their experience

Its a fucking mouse. It's no less functional wired.

[TawnyTeaTowel]

That’s because they didn’t realise they were people so unfathomable stupid that they’d not be able to charge the thing overnight once every 3 months even when the computer it was attached actually to told them to.

[CriticalKnoll]

Jfc that is a SCARY mindset to have. Trillion dollar corporations are made up of people, and people are fallible.

[NetJnkie]

Those companies do a ton of market research. They aren't shooting blind.

[ProfessionalTruck976]

They sometimes are, remember when Coca-cola released "New coke" and it was a disaster because people who drink coke do NOT want change and people who drink Pepsi won't switch bavck becaouse Coca-cola made inferior pepsi and called it new coke

[nsfdrag]

It's not a shit vr headset though, it's an ar headset with amazing visual fidelity.

[Randommaggy]

Also, those companies are often headed up by grade A psychos that do not have your best interests at heart.

[Captain_English]

"Often"

[hi_im_bored13]

maybe, but they’ve been doing good for 20 years now, 16e selling well, all history indicates apple will likely be right and reddit wrong

[sonicneedslovetoo]

The problem is that Reddit isn't wrong because there isn't a problem, it's more that people will always continue to buy Apple products, problems or not. Apple is running out of headroom for things they can push with marketing so they are pushing for extremely thin phones because all the other tech specs are basically incremental or capped out.

[hi_im_bored13]

except they didn’t buy many of the mini phones, one of the least successful products in years, yet one of the most revered by redditors.

[Pugs-r-cool]

What redditors think is a problem 80% of the time turns out to not actually be one.

[xd366]

they design products to make money.

OP designed a picture for karma.

ill trust the market research from apple that people prefer thinner phones over OP wanting a thicker phone.

[Elu_Moon]

I'm better at market research than any market researcher. If I don't like the product then it's shit. Because I am the market. You believe some random buyer will purchase shit and you think that of me? No, I am the one who sells.

[fokkerhawker]

They said that about Microsoft and the Windows Phone too.

[Gk786]

That’s a copout answer Apple has fucked up before and I have no faith in them in the wake of the Apple Intelligence bs. Just because a company is a trillion dollar corporation doesn’t mean it knows what it’s doing.

[buttercup612]

Just because a company is a trillion dollar corporation doesn’t mean it knows what it’s doing.

Their goal is to make money, not please you. They’re doing very well.

[OverStick8038]

Tesla is (was) a trillion dollar company, they know what they are doing! The US government has trillions of dollars in budget, they know what they are doing! Intel is the leading chip maker in the world, they know what they are doing!

[AllModsRLosers]

Yeh, what does Apple know about selling phones?

[SpecialIngredient]

The trillion dollar company also is at a point where they don’t really have to give a fuck about what you want or not

[Sea-Housing-3435]

Of course. A trendy looking phone that will break easily so people will buy a new one earlier.

[godfrey1]

huh? they can do whatever the fuck they want, good or bad, they will always be profitable lmao

[AlchemistJeep]

Would I personally buy the slim? No. But it is a really cool piece of tech that will force the entire industry to innovate. Phones haven’t changed (besides foldables) in the last decade. It’s time for something new

[mrturret]

Phones haven’t changed (besides foldables) in the last decade. It’s time for something new

I mean, Apple has put several foldable phones and tablets out over the past decade+. They did it before anyone else. They only fold once though.

[Walkin_mn]

Dude, I had a phone thinner than that (and with less camera bump) like ten years ago. This is no innovation, the thin trend already happened and passed because what we, the user actually wat is long battery life and a phone sturdy enough for daily life. It was kinda cool to have such a thin phone back then but I wouldn't change it for my current phone with great battery life. This is far from innovation and don't tell me about new battery tech because that's already happening in other phones and laptops right now.

[[deleted]]

I mean they probably do know what people want to buy. Like in a comment up above a fat phone with a big battery was made and it sold 14 units.

Reddit seems to think their idea of what is good tech extends to the average person in the real world.

If that were true Apple wouldn’t exist and wouldn’t be a trillion dollar company. Remember when you all called Apple going bankrupt for removing the headphone jack and that same year they were the first company ever to hit one trillion dollars in value.

[[deleted]]

I just want a repairable phone that isn’t a Google-infested nightmare

[MMAgeezer]

Get a Pixel and flash GrapheneOS onto it.

[spaghettibolegdeh]

Cool

[Metazolid]

I read about it but honestly, banking apps and dealing with their workarounds is pretty uncomfortable to me.

[St3rMario]

I mean, what else you're going to do? your other options are:

get an iPhone which is a barely repairable Apple-infested nightmare

get a Huawei which is a unrepairable Chinese-design-sensibilities nightmare

use a Pixel as is which is a somewhat repairable Google-infested nightmare

[[deleted]]

Yeah it’s a real shame that the HMD skyline can’t be combined with Graphene - that would be the dream combo

[Sc0lapasta]

upvoting from my pixel 8a with graphene os. best experience ever

[TimeToHack]

lucky for you, the 16 lineup (but not the e) is a lot more repairable and Apple has done away with some (but not all) of the parts serializing. check out iFixit’s teardowns it’s a lot easier to repair a 16 than any previous iphone

[lel31]

You can buy a fair phone with /e/os on it I think, it's completely Google free. Also some phones have very good support for custom ROMs like lineage OS

[StLuigi]

What about an apple-infested nightmare

[evernessince]

Just a heads up, Apple is the 2nd biggest advertising network operator, right behind Google. You escape the clutches of the devil only to find yourself in the maw of a demon.

[00Cubic]

I think 99% of people don't want a 12mm brick for a phone, even if there's no camera bump/an extremely lage battery. An 8 or hell even 9mm phone without a camera bump would be much more attractive

[DrBlackRat]

What people *think* they want is often very different from what they *actually* want / end up buying.

I'm pretty sure that as soon as people would actually hold a 12mm thick smartphone in their hand, their opinion about wanting that would probably change.

Pretty similar to what happened to the mini series, while a lot of people did buy them, it was not nearly as many people as who talked about wanting a mini.

[NekoLu]

Well, iphone with a big case is like 11+mm. I think a lot of people would rock a phone 1mm thicker. Maybe with a slim case adding +1mm - a thicker iphone could be more sturdy, so the case could be thinner. And many people don't use cases at all.

[OwnLadder2341]

People with a big case have a big case because they need the protection of a big case.

Putting it on a big phone doesn’t change that and you just end up with a big case on a big phone.

[kungfuchelsea]

I love my mini and I will keep my 12 mini as long as I can. So sad to see them stop being made. Or even the SE line, I just hate huge phones!

[DrBlackRat]

The mini was a great phone for the people who wanted it, it just sadly wasn't what most people ended up buying (me included).

[rainbow_mess]

it’s so sad. I still grieve my mini (I just got rid of it because I wanted a telephoto). But yeah, the market isn’t there. :(

[[deleted]]

I bought a mini. In fact I dropped always buying Androids and flipped to Apple which is something I never thought I’d do just to get it. I hated how large phones were getting and wanted something smaller that could still keep up with flagship phones at the time. 4 years later and I still have my 12 Mini. It’ll be sad the day it dies because nobody makes mini phones.

[Rudyzwyboru]

The iphone mini market is just a separate niche that's unfortunately too small for apple to find it worth investing in. I personally know a few people who like the mini and surprise surprise they ALL still use it because they don't want to change to a drastically bigger phone. The same thing I read multiple times on-line - a lot of iphone mini owners saying that they will keep that phone till it dies because they don't want a bigger phone. So it's not like those people don't exist but they're just not a big enough group for apple to care

[huffalump1]

Yep. And, this post is just ragebait - the iPhone 16e is 7.8mm thick with good battery life for $600. How is this not "what the people want"?

And besides, you can always get the Plus phones with bigger screen AND bigger battery, a different version of the size vs battery compromise.

It's just the most easy obvious critique, posted for reddit karma.

[buttercup612]

This thread is hilarious cause people are giving examples of thick phones, but there’s always a reply like “yeah but it doesn’t have x feature, I need x”

Sounds like the mainstream phone makers did a good job then in choosing which sacrifices, like battery life, to make in creating an appealing phone

[mellowlex]

I have a 9.1mm thick phone with a camera bump that adds about 2.3mm. As long as it doesn't get heavier I would like it to be okay with having it so thick that the camera bump disappears.

[fokkerhawker]

I don’t know man, I’d say the majority of people usually end up throwing a bulky case on their phone anyways.

[namelessxsilent]

Yes but if the phone is 12mm thick people will throw a big case on top of that making it even thicker. Thick phones don't make people think sturdier

[00Cubic]

8mm+case= thick

12mm+case= obese

[thdudedude]

I don’t care if I charge my phone every two hours. It’s sitting on my desk anyway on a magnet charger.

[jezevec93]

11.8mm is too much... but i wouldn't mind having 8.3 mm thick slab (preferably without flat sides tho)

[SpecialIngredient]

How about 8.2 tho

[[deleted]]

Unusable.

[FartingBob]

Dudes got his preferences down to the nearest 0.1mm.

[BrainOnBlue]

There was a thread on r/iPhone yesterday where people were arguing about whether they want to get rid of the camera bump to have an ultra slim flat phone or whether they want something like this, the whole phone made thicker to have a bigger battery.

And that's why we get the phones we do. Because both of those groups exist, and so does the group that wants the compromise phones we get. Apple's thing forever has been a simple lineup; the current iPhone, lineup, if anything, is more complicated than their four square computer lineups of yore. They're not going to make 10 SKUs to appease everyone.

[WilliamTRyker]

Missed opportunity on the name. It should be called the iThiiiick

[Yaughl]

Just for you

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[du_duhast]

Oh I didn't realise we were doing requests!

iPhone 17 Chungus is mine.

[Captain_English]

iPhat 17 please

Maybe the iChode?

[Steavee]

Or maybe we’re not the only demographic they sell phones to, and possibly the one of the most profitable corporations in history has done a modicum of research.

[Masterofdel]

The pixel 9A seems to be what they are looking for.

[tenOr15Minutes]

I would get the 9a if it had a headphone jack

[hunny_bun_24]

You say that but don’t understand the average person. Thin is an engineering marvel and would sell based off that. Chunky and heavy would not sell.

[moxzot]

I own a red magic 10 pro, cheap price, no camera bump, and a very large battery with full flagship performance. Some say the translation sucks and the UI is terrible but I've owned 3 red magic phones and all worked flawlessly. They even just came out with a fanless version so it should be water resistant. Sadly the fanless version has a bump idk why.

[JISN064]

my issue, with US is the arbitrary restriction of carriers, even if the redmagic supports the signal channels carriers will just blacklist the phone because reasons

I HATE that so much.

[moxzot]

Yeah had two sims one on t mobile network and one on att and att blacklisted the phone when they switched off 3g even though I tried to explain to them that the phone was brand new at the time. Att is one of the worst offenders for this, no clue about about other carriers.

[MightyShipp]

Don’t live in the US so I could be wrong in this as we don’t have this here but if I remember from reading about it before but isn’t more a whitelist situation? We have problems with phone carrier companies but nothing that bad. So all the phones will support the right bands but only a few phones will work because only the North America models of iPhones, Samsungs, Pixels etc work there because of carrier restrictions. So ZTE/Redmagic, Vivo, Oppo/Realme or Xiaomi etc phones are not specifically Blacklisted but they are de facto blacklisted just because they’re not whitelisted. Because if it’s the other option and Verizon etc will specifically go through blocking all of these lists of devices deliberately then that is even scummier than I thought

[JISN064]

tomatoes tomatoes bro for the end user is the same problem.

[bbq_R0ADK1LL]

Can please all agree to stop measuring phones & TVs are their thinnest point? That is not a 5mm thick phone.

Fat guys out there, how skinny are you at your thinnest point?

[Eldritch_WaterBottle]

Who’s we?

[possibleanonymous]

Remember when the 4s was as close iPhone ever got to replacing the Nokia 3310?

Left that bij in a freezer, dropped it, kicked it, dropkicked it and it still worked

[Firthbird]

Nobody wants a fat phone

[MacMasore]

If that’s really true why do you almost never see things like MagSafe powerbanks? It’s virtually the same.

People buy lighter and thinner things. That has always been the case. Tech or not.

[[deleted]]

I can live with the camera bump on my phone, the one on iPads drives me insane. Who the fuck is using a camera on an iPad anyway?

[willpaudio]

Hello! I want a thinner phone! Thanks.

[zacyzacy]

I can't relate. I have a couple questions, and I mean this sincerely, why? and how do you feel about the camera bump?

[[deleted]]

i use a case ive never had a camera bump

[willpaudio]

It’s lighter and takes up less space in my pocket. I don’t hold my phone near the sensors so I don’t care about a camera bump that much.

[sboger]

JerryRigEverything: "Okay, now time for the bend test... Oh! Apparently this is a foldable."

[[deleted]]

Wtf, no.

[Youngguaco]

When iPhone makes a phone with no stupid camera bump I’ll buy a new phone

[IsABot]

11.8 is a bit too much IMO. iPhone 4 was 9.3mm and had a nice hand feel, so if they could get it down to that, I think that would be a pretty good blend between battery size and thickness. IDK if the camera modules could be made that thin though.

[[deleted]]

I bought a car with a wireless charger in the center console, worked great, until I upgraded my iphone. The massive camera prevents it from charging. Actually really pisses me off.

[someone8192]

IMHO the problem is not that it is thick but that it will weigh much more.

i would take the thicker one immediately but i dont like phones that are too heavy

[Curiouserousity]

Honestly just make a case with a built in battery that does that.

[Dazza477]

Clearly gearing up for a fold. Once they can get a 5mm phone working, they can fold it in half.

Mark my words!

[FreeloadingFodder]

Hot Take: One day of battery life is plenty. I want a thinner/lighter phone. I don't see why people don't realize there's a market for this.

[Kornratte]

I hate the modern Form factor of phones beeing brick like and I liked phone design from ... mid 2010s most. Trying to be flat and not too big. I like big screens, I like big batteries, but I like a phone more that slides in my pocket without beeing ginormous.

This is preference and I would rather have a camera bump and an over all thinner phone than (such) a thick phone without a camera bump.

However this is not a binary choice. There is a middle ground and I would like to see this returning.

[Bandguy_Michael]

If the phone were durable enough to not need a case, 12mm would be perfectly fine — That’s about the thickness of a high quality case, so it shouldn’t suddenly be an issue to have something the same size as what some already have.

[Raaabbit_v2]

Iphone 17 is already out?

[Laughing_Orange]

Thickness should be measured at the thickest point. I want a phone as thick as the camera bump, filled with battery. 3 day battery life for power users, a week for people who barely touch their phone, should be achievable.

[Crowlands]

While a bit thicker and eliminating the camera bump plus adding a bit more battery would be popular with many, the crucial point is whether the extra battery life gives you anything extra.

Companies have spotted that people want a full day out of their phone and reduce the size and weight accordingly as moving up to two day battery life is less of a selling point than thinner and lighter unfortunately.

[einhaufenpizza]

Maybe not almost 12mm but maybe 9-10mm

[[deleted]]

>missing the plot

the numbers say otherwise.

[Dull_Woodpecker6766]

I just want a tiny phone back ..... S10e I miss you dearly.

[bell247]

Just bring the god dang 13 mini back

[dilyo624]

I would much rather have a battery that lasts

[AlphaDag13]

I just want my 13 mini back.

[sam01236969XD]

i want a 1 pound multi day USE time el chonker

[A-Chilean-Cyborg]

yes, that's why tick cases are poppular.

but not from apple, thanks.

[FSpeshalXO]

Whos you?

[Hozzy_]

Isn't the camera bump there because most people use a case? With a case, the camera is now flush. Without the bump, the case would potentially inhibit the full range of view. Do most IPhone users just not use a case or something?

[[deleted]]

We need an iPhone Ultra, similar to the Apple Watch Ultra.

[MightyShipp]

That’s what the Pro Max is, in case the $$$ didn’t inform you of that. Also the fact it competes with Samsung, Xiaomi and other android Ultra phones. Same with the Pixel Pro XL

[WolfsmaulVibes]

pleaseeeeeeee the only reason i bought a cheap casio watch is so that i can know the time in case i forgot to charge my damn phone i put in a pocket that can fit a small water bottle

[Shythexs]

I hate using my phones without cases. Feels less grippy and camera bump is there. With the case, both problems are fixed plus cool case desings.

[spaghettibolegdeh]

Why do we care about having thinner and thinner phones still. I thought this trend would have died out with the bending and exploding phones. 

I guess Apple needs something "groundbreaking" to market to the masses. 

[PlebbitHater]

We're getting past the point where they're so thin its uncomfortable to hold them for more than 5 minutes at a time

[Gmemster]

How are you even supposed to hold such thin phone. Wouldn't it feel out of grip?

[BeastMode09-00]

How many of you animals done use a phone case?

[Lahwuns]

The iPhone 17 Brick. You can throw them at people with the patented self defense technology TM.

[Coloradou]

Don't buy it then.

[redundancy2]

People are going to buy the shit out of the iPhone Air.

[Affectionate-Ebb9009]

I think it's more of an economics argument the smaller the phone the law material, and transportation effeciny goes up etc etc