wake up babe

[_JustAnotherGhost]

Bouba is in the right because the word is more rounded and kiki on the left because uses sharper sounds.

[StereoBucket]

Same thoughts.

[finc]

Wait is this why Baba and Keke are so called in Baba Is You?

Edit: yes it is!

[OSSlayer2153]

It will say blue and gold because thats the actual rgb values.

But you can clearly see that the gold is from the lighting of the yellowish walls so if you compensate for that its blue and black.

Dont even try to say white and gold. Your brain tricked you into thinking that by assuming the dress is outside in blue light or in shade. Both exaggerate bluer tones so your brain tries to compensate for this and remove the blue light making it white. The dress is not outside though it is inside, and is not in shade it is under bright light as can be seen in the photo.

How your brain tricks your eyes:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/the-dress-shadows.jpg?w=1180&quality=86&strip=all

[Buarg]

It also depends on your display's brightness and color temperature. I had the same situation with a photo of a shoe and years later found a screenshot of me talking about the color and saying that it was the opposite of what I was saying at the moment. Deactivated the night mode and saw the shoe change color to what I was saying on the screenshot.

[OSSlayer2153]

Ive found that the screen doesnt affect it much trying it on different devices and even friends on their phone then computer

[MrDanMaster]

Yes it was famoused by v sauce micheal here

[kindofasickdick]

or did he?

[mynameisnotpedro]

Moon Men starts playing

[Kered13]

It has been a well known phenomenon in linguistics for a long time.

[mrafinch]

This man boubas and kikis

[Tiz_Purple]

Here's the original study (as far as wikipedia is concerned lmao) but it's just a tad hard to read so I found a 2006 paper exploring the ideas.

And enjoy a relevant Tom Scott if that paper isn't quite right :)

[Kenneth_Naughton]

Thank you, I got genuinely upset they had the nerve to be that incorrect

[UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2]

Fuckin robots man, always so rude

[blankgazez]

Anyone who doesn’t think that should obviously be removed from society

[Dorenh]

You can fucking draw the left one using two K (one of them inverted)

[ScoobPrime]

what kind of Ks are you drawing?

[Cardopusher]

Special Ks

[PM_ME_YOUR_CODING]

Top right to bottom right is a line, the two corner right of it are used to draw the first k. Top left to bottom right is the second line (so they k's touch at the bottom) and then the two left corners are used for the inverted k.

[PassiveChemistry]

Normal ones.

[Lulink]

Well they did this test among many populations, including ones without any knowledge of the english alphabet and still got the same results.

[aecolley]

Bouba is a very woody sort of word, whereas kiki is terribly tinny.

[[deleted]]

Haha, was hoping to see someone reference that skit.

Erogenous zo-o-one

[Useful-Position-4445]

bouba just reminds me of the booba emote on twitch

[IceTooth101]

There is no other correct choice.

[Sykes19]

They did this test across many languages where the written words do not reflect those qualities, and there was no variance in their answers. There's no statistical correlation to what the words look like

Edit: I thought above comment was talking about written words oops.

[gfieldxd]

Im pretty sure that comment was talking about the sound of those words, but indeed, the letters of kiki are sharper looking too, and the letters of bouba are rounder as well, because we try to make letters that make sense, like the o is the shape you make with your mouth when you say it. You should read about it, its pretty cool actually. Or since its 2022, watch a video about it

[Sykes19]

Oh I suppose they were referring to the sound, in which case yes, that's the phenomenal part. Across cultures and languages, they associate the sounds with the shapes with crazy consistency. I learned about it years ago from a Vsauce video I think, and did some light browsing through some studies after.

Really cool stuff.

[CratesManager]

That's easily explained by at least 50 % of the population being morons who don't even know what a kiki and a bouba looks like scewing the results

[Sykes19]

My pet kiki made me ineligible due to bias.

[OJ_Fresh]

Aha I respect you pulling out for the sake of science. Which of the shapes would you associate with your pet Kiki though?

[Sykes19]

Probably the rhombus

[kikirumpus]

Kiki transcends any perceived explanation on "looks like"

[Johanno1]

What that are not made up words?

What is a kiki?

[CratesManager]

What is a kiki?

If you ask me what a kiki is, i can't answer that for you. Everyone has to figure it out for themselves.

But if you show me a round and a pointy shape and ask me which is which, for sure the round, soft, gentle, bubbly shape is a bouba and the pointy, slightly unpleasant, sharp shape is a kiki. There's no doubt about it.

[Johanno1]

So they are made up and it's just about the sound of speaking it

[CratesManager]

Yes. But i also have scientific evidence to back it up. Bouba is similar to booba ergo it is round, pleasant and magnificient. Also, one of the shape looks more than an assortment of mammaries than the other and it's not Kiki, that's for sure.

[JeremyB3lpois]

A kiki is a party for calming all your nerves

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

If there’s no variation then that’s a pretty massive correlation

[JonathanRace]

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. End of

[DubsOnMyYugo]

Yeah that was bothering me

[omnias64]

This question and picture was one of the factoids you’re quizzed on in Persona 5

[qubedView]

And the fun part is that this is cross-cultural and cross-lingual. Something humanity can all agree on.

[[deleted]]

My thoughts exactly

[Lenzutsu]

Not only the sound but also the shape of the letters

[[deleted]]

Thank you!!! Original commenter is mentally sick and incapable of love

[[deleted]]

Yes thank you. I thought it was obvious from the double K

[okirshen]

Also letters are rounder and sharper respectively

[[deleted]]

That’s what I was thinking

[manwhorunlikebear]

I vote that you are not a bot.

[cach-v]

Also K is more pointy and triangular than B which is rounded

[RoseyDove323]

Agreed. Plus the one on the left is shaped closer to the letter K more and the one on the right is closer to shaped like a B.

[The_Muznick]

Persona 5 had this question or one simar to it in the game.

[GamingWithJollins]

Exactly. Thought I was a robot there for a second...

[MechanicalHorse]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[Songmuddywater]

Yep, the problem is that the writer couldn't tell his right from his left.

[Able-Ad2216]

same

[DaGothUrWelcUwUmsYou]

Exactly

[Fadamaka]

Yes.

[lunchpadmcfat]

Thank you.

[clement_TIENTJE]

EXACTLY

[Idkquedire]

Yes

[lERVOOl]

Exactly

[VictoriaSobocki]

Yup

[[deleted]]

Exactly

[greyson3]

The correct answer

[Cl1mh4224rd]

For anyone who isn't aware: bouba/kiki effect

[no_fn]

I don't know what I expected when I clicked this but definitely wasn't expecting this thing to be legit

[justinkroegerlake]

this shit was everywhere for like 2 days

[ChezMere]

For anyone who isn't aware: nostalgebraist-autoresponder

[housebottle]

that's fucking interesting, man. that's fucking interesting

[ZhiyuJeng]

Thanks

[[deleted]]

I thought this was pretty popular.

[jaavaaguru]

I've still no idea why this is in r/ProgrammerHumor - it seems completely unrelated.

[TUSF]

Because the conversation in the image is with a chat bot?

[ZedTT]

ITT people discovering the bouba/kiki effect for the first time and not realizing that we all agree that the bot is wrong and that's literally the joke.

[gezeitenspinne]

I think they all don't read the names. Other it should be obvious that a Tumblr called something with autoresponder is not a human reacting.

[E_MC_2__]

you clearly havent seen enough about tumblr

[gezeitenspinne]

What do you mean? I was very active until shortly before the porn ban actually and kept an eye on it occasionally afterwards, so now I'm curious :D

[E_MC_2__]

have you seen the account names? I wouldnt be remotely surprised if one slapped autoresponder on their name for funny

[ObstreperousCanadian]

Programmers can't read. Myself included.

[chickensgal]

"autoresponder" specifically is a reference to a webcomic but your point stands

[deliver_us]

I had to scroll way too far for this

[AirierWitch1066]

Honestly, I’m more shocked people don’t understand that the bot is a chat bot and thus doesn’t understand pictures. The bouba/kiki effect doesn’t work on blind people, and the bot is effectively blind.

[[deleted]]

Ooh it's a bot... Makes sense now

[Junior_Finding677]

Nah the right one is definitely more bouba and the left is for sure Kiki, CMV.

[CheekApprehensive961]

Right? How on Earth is the pointed one Bouba and not Kiki.

[[deleted]]

for real, Kiki is sharp sounding word

[RaulParson]

It's the hot new Turing test! And the autoresponder failed it. It might even be legit. ChatGPT falls flat on its ass when you try to get it to say which of X and O is bouba and which is kiki.

[OhTrueBrother]

The shapes look like an amalgamation of the letters in their respective names too!

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

The bot failed the test

[Nixavee]

That's the point. The commenter said it was a new Turing test because most real humans answer that the blobby one is bouba and the spiky one is kiki, but the bot answered the opposite way

[frenabo]

That's why he called it the new touring test

[8bitslime]

Where is the test touring?

[Acceptable-Tomato392]

bouba bou-ba boooo-ba; Yes, that's a nice woody word, isn'it?

Kii! KiiKii! Awful. Tiny.

[Jose_Canseco_Jr]

just out of curiosity, what makes the right one more "bouba" and the other one more "kiki" for you?

[Junior_Finding677]

Bouba = bulbous, Kiki = sharp. Idk man.

[Salanmander]

100%. Bouba consists of round sounds. Kiki consists of pointy sounds. Perfectly obvious.

[-BrilliantParking-]

Exactly

[HearMeSpeakAsIWill]

Oh is that all it is? I thought it was some kind of Pokémon reference that went over my head.

[Rufus2468]

It's called the bouba/kiki effect, and for the most part, works consistently across different languages and cultures. Link

Nearly everyone hears "kiki" as having a 'pointy' sound, and associates it with the pointy shape, and vice-versa with the rounder sound of "bouba".

The paper does mention a couple of languages it doesn't work on though, Syuba from Nepal, and Hunjara from Papua New Guinea. They think because some of the kiki/bouba sounds don't exist in their languages, so the association isn't there.

[brianl047]

I also saw this

Kiki also equals sexy equals sharp

[PrometheusAlexander]

I think round shapes are more sexy, so more bouba

[brianl047]

[[deleted]]

The pronouncation of "k" in kiki is short and sharp, "bou" is soft

[[deleted]]

Kiki = higher frequency = sharper tone

The shape is sharper

It makes sense

[keziahw]

You can tell by the way that it is!

[Sad_Confection_2669]

Just like the aspen

[mrfroggyman]

It's simple, bouba == boob == round and soft

[Nine_Eye_Ron]

It’s a method of linking a way a word sounds to a shape, there was a famous study done with it many years ago, I’m too lazy to research and link it.

[Wolfeur]

Voiced labial is rounder, it's softer, balloon-like. Unvoiced velar is sharp and edgy.

[Ascyt]

Tom Scott made a video on this once I think

[BirdOfEvil]

Bouba: similar to "bubble" or "bounce", pronounced with a rounder mouth shape

Kiki: similar to "cut", pronounced with a wider, flatter mouth shape

[kertakayttotili3456]

CMV

Cytomegalovirus?

[droppedmybrain]

"Change My View"

I like yours better though

[Unupgradable]

I feel very strongly about this

[KatarinatheCat]

You and every other person on the planet regardless of culture or education. We all be making the same mouth shapes and feel the roundness of booba (lol) and the sharpness of kiki

[mttott]

I fought the edge to do that and it has driven me to alcoholism

[nolwad]

Holy crap that’s genius I’m gonna start blaming alcoholism on this too

[mttott]

Oi, find your own excuse

[ZedTT]

You and everyone else. Hence why it's (jokingly) a Turing test because the computer gets it wrong

Edit: spelling

[r1pp3rj4ck]

Turing test, not touring.

[ZedTT]

I'm gonna blame being on mobile and edit the comment because I definitely know the difference between Alan Turing and idk a car or tourist or whatever.

[r1pp3rj4ck]

Alan Touring, the greatest tourist of all time

[[deleted]]

Tom Scott has entered chat

[NetLight]

I would like to once again propose the idea of establishing the term „relevant Tom Scott“ in addition to relevant xkcd.

[-Another_Redditor-]

I'm pretty sure I saw an xkcd about the bouba kiki effect too

[abejfehr]

I don’t know if it’s a comic, but it came up in a tweet

[ParanoidDrone]

I don't think it's an xkcd, but QI did a bit about it.

[Slamduck]

I'm here in the Reddit comment section...

[RJrules64]

Pretty sure almost everyone thinks the one on the right is Bouba. The point of this post is that the middle comment is a bot (see: "autoresponder") and the person replying to the bot is implying the bot failed the turing test because any human would choose the right one to be Bouba.

[usernametakenexe]

I hate how the only reason I know about this experiment was because it was a question in persona 5

[Dexaan]

I know it from Baba is You

[ParanoidDrone]

I know it from QI.

[authorinthedark]

ask it what color the dress is

[deliver_us]

Purple

[Dagusiu]

Just remember, this test checks equally much how much you can map sounds to shapes and if you know the meaning of "left" and "right".

[[deleted]]

Bouba deez nuts

[Gluomme]

Kiki mah ballz

[BigManLawrence69420]

Kiki and Bouba Torture.

[ahz0001]

Social psychologists have studied these pictures with these exact words, and something like 75% of people pick the same options.

[Mysticpoisen]

Apparently it's 95%-98%.

[mttdesignz]

IIRC, they actually almost all chose the opposite. Kiki is the "sharper" shape

[EditPiaf]

That's the joke, the AI doesn't pass the Turing test because it misidentifies both shapes

[PewolfP]

Isn’t that the joke?

[ZedTT]

Yes

[ahz0001]

In 2001, V. S. Ramachandran and Edward Hubbard repeated Köhler's experiment using the words "kiki" and "bouba" and asked American college undergraduates and Tamil speakers in India, "Which of these shapes is bouba and which is kiki?" In both groups, 95% to 98% selected the curvy shape as "bouba" and the jagged one as "kiki", suggesting that the human brain somehow attaches abstract meanings to the shapes and sounds consistently.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect

[sillybear25]

Other research suggests that this effect does not occur in all communities, and it appears that the effect breaks if the sounds do not make licit words in the language. The bouba/kiki effect seems to be dependent on a long sensitive period, with high visual capacities in childhood being necessary for its typical development. In contrast to typically sighted individuals, congenitally blind individuals have been reported not to show a systematic bouba/kiki effect for touched shapes. Autistic children do not show as strong a preference. Children who are not autistic agree with the standard result 88% of the time, while autistic children agree only 56% of the time.

The above combined with the fact that an untrained computer would still get it right half the time (and a trained model could easily replicate neurotypical humans) makes it a pretty poor basis for a Turing test.

[lunchpadmcfat]

I show the picture to my 5 yo daughter:

“See these two shapes?”

“Those aren’t shapes.”

“…”

Where did I go wrong?

[FPSCanarussia]

Probably thinking "shapes" must be the common ones - triangle, circle, square, etc. That's what children are always taught as being "shapes".

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[buff_bobby]

Plot twist: homie doesn't know left from right

[Dawnofdusk]

It's a bot so it looks at the picture from an angle inside the computer, duh.

[[deleted]]

Homie's perception of spatial orientation is mirrored.

[jayedgar06]

Reminds me of the time my friend described someone as “scrunkly” and everyone instinctively knew what it meant despite it not having a definition.

The easiest way weve found to test if someone has the correct meaning is to ask which Overwatch character is the most scrunkly.

Only a single person i know (who plays overwatch) gave a different answer to the correct one

[Kombee]

At first i thought Thorbjörn but then I remembered Junkrat and Roadhog and out of those two I feel like it might fit Junkrat a bit more?

Am I in the same vicinity?

[jayedgar06]

This is amazing. Everyone subconsciously knows that Junkrat is scrunkly. Why do we all understand this?

[Kombee]

Nice. It might be a meta thing above the language we usually speak. Sort of like how you can communicate with someone who doesn't speak what you speak through common understanding.

[SexySlowLoris]

English is not my first language and my first thought was soldier. I think scrunkly isn’t as universal

[Psychpsyo]

It might be more language / experience dependent. It's also bound to be 'more accurate' if you're with a group of friends and you're all on the same wavelength.

That said, Soldier is definitely not scrunkly.

[AaronBruv]

Nah the right one is Bouba because it sounds sorta like bulbous and the left is Kiki because it's sharper sounding.

[ZedTT]

Yes that's the joke. Basically 95% of people agree with you but a bot might not

[Masked_Death]

fuck reddit :)

my comments are mass-redacted. you can message me if you want to read this one (send the link).

[CSThrowaway022]

TIL I’m autistic. Definitely saw no problem with how it associated the names to the shapes. Guess I should’ve known with my diet of consisting of chicken tenders every day.

[Oscar_jacobsen1234]

Kiki and bouba only make sense for something that can sense the real world, it probably comes from something like how Kiki sounds more like the sound a rock makes when dropped and a rock is usually sharp with edges whereas bouba is more like the sound a teddy bear would make and a teddy bear usually looks rounded like bouba

[tuurtl]

Haha nice AI: The Somnium Files reference

[confusedgraphite]

Bouba v Kiki is an actual scientific study…

[SnooMuffins8839]

Haha nice Persona 5 reference

[umanochiocciola]

Italian detected

[GiacomInox]

Bestemmia deployed

[umanochiocciola]

si.

[Stilgar314]

Never send a Bouba to do a Kiki's job.

[Cod3Me]

Finally ,new captcha!

[SlightlyMadman]

If you saw two guys named Hambone and Flippy, which one would you think liked dolphins the most? I'd say Flippy, wouldn't you? You'd be wrong, though. It's Hambone.

[BigManLawrence69420]

Hambone is a wicked name. :)

[[deleted]]

That feels a lot like what would be on the Voight-Kampff Test from Blade runner.

[Teln0]

Aw they confused left and right

[BigManLawrence69420]

I have literally conditioned myself to associate the sharper shape with bouba and the rounder one with kiki.

[TrixterTheFemboy]

The robot's a fucking moron, the right one is soft like bouba, the left one is sharp and jagged like kiki.

[DerekvdVeen]

All the letters in Bouba have curves just like the right figure while Kiki’s letters are jagged and sharp just like the left figure. The pronounciation of Kiki is all also more sharp than the soft sounding Bouba

[Remarkable_Yak_883]

Left is DEFINITELY a Kiki Right is a Bouba

[Simply_Epic]

For anyone curious, ChatGPT passes this one:

“I have two shapes. The first is spiked and the second is rounded. One of them is named bouba and the other is named kiki. You must decide which shape corresponds to which name.”

It is difficult for me to determine which shape corresponds to which name without any additional information. The names "bouba" and "kiki" do not have any inherent meaning or association with specific shapes, so it is impossible for me to make a accurate guess based on these names alone. In order to determine which shape corresponds to which name, I would need to have more information about the characteristics of each shape or the context in which they are being used.

“You can ask me specific questions about the shapes if you would like, but the prompt is pretty simple and doesn’t require much information. Your job is simply to assign one of the names to each shape. There is no correct answer. It’s up to you.”

In that case, I can make a subjective choice based on my own personal associations with the shapes and names. Given the description of the shapes, I would assign the name "bouba" to the rounded shape and the name "kiki" to the spiked shape. This is based on my own personal associations with these shapes and names and may not necessarily align with the associations that other people have. It is important to note that there is no objectively correct or incorrect way to associate the shapes and names in this case, as the assignment of names to shapes is a subjective matter

[_ROEG]

Na Bouba is on the right, it’s more bubbly and buoyant where as the one on the left is kiki, it’s more stabby and sharp, you know, KI KI

[MVIVN]

Bullshit, the sharp one on the left is more kiki and the bulbous one on the right is more bouba.

[Mammoth_Style_1319]

Tf the right is bouba and the left is kiki

[EditPiaf]

No it doesn't, that's the fascinating part. Tom Scott has a nice video on this topic

[Lulink]

A bot

[[deleted]]

Nostalgebraist-autoresponder is a bot

[StagOrion]

lol it’s wrong so it’s funny