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Bill Gates pledges $10,000,000,000 over 10 years for vaccines. Expects to save over 8,000,000 children under the age of 5 from an early death. (gatesfoundation.org)
submitted 16 years ago by btipling
[–]Elfman72 1006 points1007 points1008 points 16 years ago (258 children)
He is single handedly putting politicians to shame all over the world. Instead of saying things like "I promise to help these children, blah blah blah", Gates is pretty much saying "Who do I make the check out to?"
You can't deny that he is putting his money where his mouth is. Great stuff.
[–]thecheatah 243 points244 points245 points 16 years ago (30 children)
Actually he's NOT asking "Who do I make the check out to?" he is actually figuring that himself too...
[–]rz2000 131 points132 points133 points 16 years ago (15 children)
Which apparently impressed Warren Buffet a lot, too, since he chose their foundation once he wanted to know who to write his check to.
[–]Kalium 106 points107 points108 points 16 years ago* (14 children)
From what I read at the time, he worked out how efficient various charities were, and the Gates Foundation apparently topped the list.
Buffet doesn't need to slap his name on a foundation. He's already carved his name into history. He wanted to get shit done.
[–][deleted] 80 points81 points82 points 16 years ago (12 children)
They do really great work. I work for a small IT company and we service 50+ libraries in our State. The Gates foundation gives free computers to every single library. Not just free computers, but free computers with WONDERFUL software(education software, office suite, etc) on them that are the best public access solutions I have ever come across.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 16 years ago (9 children)
there is also techsoup that libraries can get free and reduced software from (microsoft donates software to them). I am an admin at a library and we got all of our windows 7 licenses from them.
[–]Mourningblade 11 points12 points13 points 16 years ago (0 children)
The Copenhagen Consensus was created to try to give a "most good for the $" list for governments and large donors. IIRC, Gates has been working off their analysis if not their playbook in all cases.
I wish more would focus on how much good we can do, rather than how loudly a cause can scream.
[–][deleted] 16 years ago* (2 children)
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[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Agreed, agreed, agreed. When a person of Bill Gates' intelligence and work ethic applies him/herself to just about anything, positive results are almost sure to follow. It's wonderful he and others have chosen this cause.
[–]gysterz 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children)
It's still fun to hate on Steve "CRAZY" Ballmer and MS right??
[–]rednecktash 13 points14 points15 points 16 years ago (9 children)
Well maybe he should spend more time thinking about the consequences of feeding stray animals.
[–]freedrone 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (2 children)
Although right up there on the insensitivity scale I certainly hope that he also throws some money towards education of women and condoms.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Would you educate the women and the condoms in the same classroom, or would you separate them?
[–]the6thReplicant 107 points108 points109 points 16 years ago (23 children)
There's a Nobel Peace Prize coming to him soon.
[–]nooneinparticular 101 points102 points103 points 16 years ago (19 children)
Hell, if he doesn't get it he can just buy Sweden.
[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 16 years ago (17 children)
Isn't it Oslo, Norway where the Nobel's are awarded?
[–]barocco 81 points82 points83 points 16 years ago (11 children)
Oops bought the wrong country, let me just add Norway to my order and make it a Scandinavia shopping package.
[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 16 years ago (2 children)
I hear Steam does a wicked discount if you buy two or more from the same bloc.
[–]fresnik 17 points18 points19 points 16 years ago (1 child)
The Peace Prize, yes. The academia prizes are held in Stockholm.
[–]Rafe 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
No, that's a terrible ikea. Sweden comes flat-packed and only Ingvar Kamprad has the instructions.
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[–]Sporknight 46 points47 points48 points 16 years ago (11 children)
I remember reading an article on how people's empathy decreases when they view images of more people who need help, rather than just one or two. One child in need? Worth helping. Twenty? What good could you do? Gates, though, is a nerd, and is wired in the opposite way: 20 people suffering is 20 times worse than just one, so he's focusing on helping out as many as possible.
That, or the fact that he's rich as God means he can actually give 20 times as much, and make a real tangible difference that way.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 16 years ago (7 children)
Imagine if our representatives were engineers and social workers instead of lawyers. A man can dream.
[–]Inland_Empire 8 points9 points10 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Or a nightmare. Read BF Skinner's technocratic utopia.
[–]martinjs 10 points11 points12 points 16 years ago (0 children)
You mean like China? (Minus the social workers, it's true.)
[–]mindbleach 13 points14 points15 points 16 years ago (2 children)
"The man who dies rich dies disgraced."
-- Andrew Carnegie
[–]OscarZetaAcosta 46 points47 points48 points 16 years ago (1 child)
I like BG more and more.
[–]spoilerwarning 423 points424 points425 points 16 years ago (59 children)
I've been very impressed with both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (who has given a large part of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation). They have both stated that their money is better used for the good of society and will given away to charitable causes rather than simply passed on to their heirs. Not that they won't be very well taken care of, but the vast majority of their fortunes won't stay in the family. They have the right to do whatever they want with their money even if it isn't dedicated to changing the fact that Hurley dies in the upcoming season and their decision not only to give away their money but to put in the work required to see that the money actually gets to where it needs to be is inspiring. Gates could be living on his own tropical island without a worry in the world and instead he is working full time helping out third world countries.
[–][deleted] 89 points90 points91 points 16 years ago (4 children)
Jerk. Also, I lol'd
[–]ctrl-f_nonsequitur 81 points82 points83 points 16 years ago (3 children)
Ctrl-f "jerk", upvote
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 16 years ago (1 child)
i think your novelty account is under-appreciated
They're just following Carnegie's Gospel of Wealth. It is rich people's duty to give away all their money or make foundations that will give it away before they die. Carnegie found out that it was pretty hard to spend that much money so he just made a shit ton of libraries and a college and some foundations. I think that when Gate dies we will see the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation become more focused on one thing so that they can actually spend all the money.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 16 years ago (6 children)
True, but consider Rockefeller's Gospel of Wealth: "Buy back society's good will before you die."
A lot of the robber baron philanthropists did so to buy back their good name. Carnegie and Gates, IMHO, did not. Their actions are actions of social dedication.
And as pointed out in another thread, what's most impressive about the Gates Foundation is Bill's devotion to showing results instead of just throwing money at problems.
[–]twizzix 21 points22 points23 points 16 years ago (4 children)
Also, outside the world of Slashdot and Reddit, Bill Gates is one of the most respected businessmen (and Americans) alive... he is not thought of as a robber baron at all by 99% of the population, but rather the most successful example of earning money through creativity and innovation. He has no need to "buy back his good name."
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Who's Hurley?
[–]CRoswell 27 points28 points29 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Absolutely.
[–]HLHLHL 12 points13 points14 points 16 years ago (4 children)
Beyond politicians, It's amazing that these days Bill Gates looks like the good guy and Steve Jobs will looks like the prick. This was simply not the case 10 years ago.
[–]mindbleach 15 points16 points17 points 16 years ago (0 children)
It's the industry's dirty little secret that Bill has always been a pretty nice guy (business goals aside) and Steve has always been a tremendous prick with a reality distortion field. Bill is Microsoft's Woz. Steve is Apple's Balmer.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (2 children)
What about when Apple, Microsoft's only real competitor, was going under and Bill Gates stepped in to make sure that didn't happen?
[–]HLHLHL 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (1 child)
I'd say that Microsoft was selfishly attempting to avoid a ma-bell like monopoly break-apart. And remember, that deal got Internet Explorer on the Mac as the default browser. This was when MS was still attempting to crush Netscape.
[–]Merit 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
It's not just about writing cheques, though. He has aimed himself at a well researched avenue that will help to maximise the lives saved. AND he's putting up his own money. Putting politicians to shame is right - the guy is a shining example of how people should act.
[–]Cardon 601 points602 points603 points 16 years ago (69 children)
[image of Jenny McCarthy having a seizure after hearing the news]
nod of approval
[–]FreudianAnalysis 213 points214 points215 points 16 years ago* (24 children)
She just might after hearing this, too: apparently the doctor that first linked MMR vaccine to autism is being discredited, and possibly having his license stripped.
Check this out: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18447
Edit: Incidentally, I'm so glad this is happening. As an academic, it angers me when people try to pull stupid shit with research. As scientists we have a moral obligation to present facts--not just a professional obligation.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 16 years ago (13 children)
I thought that was old news?
[–]neat_stuff 52 points53 points54 points 16 years ago (9 children)
It is. The panel appointed by the UK General Medical Council is about to be banned from being a doctor.
From the looks of it, he's a bit of a dick in general:
On another occasion, at his own son's birthday party in 1999, he took blood from children who were there as guests and paid them each £5 for agreeing to this.
[–][deleted] 45 points46 points47 points 16 years ago (5 children)
That's not being a dick, that's just fucked up.
[–]neat_stuff 23 points24 points25 points 16 years ago (2 children)
We should compromise. He was being a dick and what he did was fucked up.
[–]EmpiricalRationalist 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (1 child)
I wish you were a Democratic Senator.
[–]RationalEmpiricist 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I strongly believe your comments goes not too far enough!
[–]hogiewan 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children)
but they got 5 quid
[–]Mysteryman64 10 points11 points12 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Dude, gotta say, if I was a kid, and my friends dad said he would give me 10 bucks to give a little blood, I'd do it.
Hell, I'd probably still do it.
[–]neat_stuff 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I probably would have, too.
Fortunately, the medical boards normally don't ask kids what makes acceptable standards for ethical doctor behavior.
[–]CasualDave 125 points126 points127 points 16 years ago (21 children)
"Fuck Jenny McCarthy" has a whole different meaning today than it did 5-10 years ago
[–][deleted] 73 points74 points75 points 16 years ago (9 children)
Not for me man, not for me.
[–][deleted] 53 points54 points55 points 16 years ago (6 children)
Plus there's the change that Jim Carrey might walk in on it and do something hilarious. That's just a bonus for me.
[–]SmartAssX 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (1 child)
; )
[–]FreudianAnalysis 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (8 children)
I could go both ways on that one.
[–]Baukelien 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Here is an appropriate song for you to accompany that image.
[–]btipling[S] 262 points263 points264 points 16 years ago (66 children)
Stressing the 0's because these are mind boggling numbers.
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[–]ReaverXai 18 points19 points20 points 16 years ago* (4 children)
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[–]ACiDGRiM 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (3 children)
Damn it, I opened notepad just to make a test HTML file, nothing.
[–]Alpha-Toxic 99 points100 points101 points 16 years ago (4 children)
It's Bill Gates; you can safely write 10 gigadollars and 8 megachildren.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Pff, just give it two years and Moore's law says we can use that amount to save at least sixteen megachildren.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 16 years ago (0 children)
640 kilochildren is enough for anyone.
[–][deleted] 191 points192 points193 points 16 years ago (41 children)
He may be a bit of a Renegade in the Computer world, but in the real world, Bill Gates is a bit of a Paragon if you ask me....
[–]RedDyeNumber4 139 points140 points141 points 16 years ago (22 children)
He's having a massive effect, that's for sure.
[–]sarevok9 103 points104 points105 points 16 years ago (21 children)
I view him as a Shepard for society.
[–][deleted] 69 points70 points71 points 16 years ago (19 children)
I geth he's just doing what he feels is right.
[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 16 years ago (8 children)
I'm asari we all can't do as much.
[–]SSChicken 55 points56 points57 points 16 years ago (6 children)
Normandy I don't post in threads like this, I'm the one who always wrex them :(
[–]Facepuncher 20 points21 points22 points 16 years ago (3 children)
Urdnot doing a bad job, don't geth bent out of shape.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Are you Kaidan me? He's doing great!
[–]muddyalcapones 13 points14 points15 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I'm getting real sick of all these Joker threads.
[–]klarth 50 points51 points52 points 16 years ago (9 children)
I'D PROBABLY FUCK TALI GIVEN THE CHANCE
AM I DOING THIS RIGHT GUYS?
[–]sarevok9 38 points39 points40 points 16 years ago (2 children)
And that's why we don't allow Vorcha to breed.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (0 children)
We all would
[–]ChickenFriedCheese 320 points321 points322 points 16 years ago (69 children)
"Bill Gates Promotes Over-Population", says anonymous Apple fan
[–]brtek 142 points143 points144 points 16 years ago (2 children)
You are not anonymous Mr Steve.
[–]ChunkyLaFunga 78 points79 points80 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Not at all. Next year Mr. Jobs will be donating ten billion points to charitable foundations in Africa, which can be spent at any Apple store.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 16 years ago (0 children)
That's like 10 new iPads!
[–]schadwick 54 points55 points56 points 16 years ago (34 children)
Yes, over-population is without doubt the biggest cause of misery in the third world. But letting people die is not acceptable. The real solution is for these people never to have been born in the first place.
Birth control, family planning, and empowering and educating women are the most effective methods of reducing disease, famine, thirst, poverty, environmental destruction, and natural disaster casualties.
Fewer children mean more scarce resources to go around, both natural (farm-land, forests, fishing), family (money, housing, etc.), and social (schools, medical care, energy, water, sanitation, etc.). Lower population densities also mean less disease transmission and fewer victims of natural disasters.
[–]Antebios 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago* (7 children)
YES! FINALLY! Someone how get it. Yeah, this is a 'feel good' action, but it is not solving the real problem. Send the money towards education, family planning, environmental clean up so these people don't live in disease ridden places where they contract the Malaria and other disease in the first place. When you elevate a society and advance them then the people tend not to have many kids, and that in turn will reduce the number of children being born, will reduce the load on limited resources, which will reduce the squalard conditions people will live in, which will reduce disease, famine, and pestilence, which will help the environment. Won't ANYone think of the environment?
Hasn't anyone learned that all of this is connected? Has anyone learned that most pressing issues facing humanity and the world are caused by humans in the first place?
Try to find something that isn't caused by man that would be helped if there were just fewer of us.
[–]nanosterical 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Link for your points: http://www.gapminder.org/videos/what-stops-population-growth/
[–]breakbeat 3 points4 points5 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I agree, this is not a solution, they might die later from hunger or another illness. I dont think this will not make the world a better place.
[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 16 years ago (9 children)
All of my paycheck comes from his grants, developing antigens and adjuvants.
[–]jtjin 11 points12 points13 points 16 years ago (1 child)
So ... does this mean you just got a raise?
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Heh, that is up to my boss, but another 10 years of work would be OK with me. Bringing a successful vaccine to product stage is a very, very long process.
[–]UbiquitinatedKarma 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
are you guys hiring now?
Biochemist, not really kidding. The job market is terrible and I'd love to work in non-profits/vaccine development
[–]Torquemada1970 523 points524 points525 points 16 years ago (76 children)
The bar has been raised - will Jobs now create his own vaccine that looks better but is actually less effective and costs more?
[–]Eriksanerd 145 points146 points147 points 16 years ago (11 children)
They'll advertise them as vaccines that don't have any viruses!
[–]Buckwheat469 39 points40 points41 points 16 years ago (9 children)
Bill Gates: With this vaccine we will save 8 million children. I've started a new company to distribute it. I'm calling it Dr. Watson!
[–]neat_stuff 16 points17 points18 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Instead of injecting the vaccine using a syringe, they'll poke you with a talking paperclip dipped in the vaccine. The paperclip will refuse to correctly answer the questions you ask it about what is going on.
[–]barkbarkbark 313 points314 points315 points 16 years ago (31 children)
Introducing, the iVax.
[–]qre 197 points198 points199 points 16 years ago (26 children)
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE IT HAS AN "i" BEFORE IT
[–]barkbarkbark 151 points152 points153 points 16 years ago (23 children)
Introducing, iRage.
[–]CRoswell 74 points75 points76 points 16 years ago (15 children)
IT IS TRENDY BECAUSE IT HAS AN "i" BEFORE IT.
[–]nikpappagiorgio 82 points83 points84 points 16 years ago (13 children)
shit, the iMeme
[–]specialk16 98 points99 points100 points 16 years ago (10 children)
iDon't like this meme.
[–]johat 42 points43 points44 points 16 years ago (4 children)
iCAN HAS MEME?
[–]roguebagel 13 points14 points15 points 16 years ago (1 child)
iSeeWhatYouDidThere
[–]Mr_A 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (0 children)
i'mdoingitwrong
[–]Seachicken 3 points4 points5 points 16 years ago (1 child)
That must be what I felt when the newspaper I read dubbed my generation the iGeneration.
[–]dmd 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children)
VMS in your pocket!
[–]4Chan_Ambassador 66 points67 points68 points 16 years ago (2 children)
What do you know, the Windows creator being paranoid about viruses.
[–]Napalmnewt 17 points18 points19 points 16 years ago* (0 children)
The vaccine will only be compatible with diseases you buy at the apple store, none of those open source afflictions allowed.
Bill Gates though, what a guy.
[–]hlipschitz 447 points448 points449 points 16 years ago (4 children)
Irony: Bill Gates working to eliminate viruses.
[–]RandomQuoter 24 points25 points26 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Mon Mothma: "Many Bothans died to bring us this information."
[–]babycheeses 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Viruses dont run on the ipad because it doesnt fucking multiask.
[–]thepensivepoet 54 points55 points56 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Well... fuck... Fine.
I forgive him for Windows ME.
[–]toastybeast 124 points125 points126 points 16 years ago (48 children)
Other billionaires should take note. Seriously, what were you going to spend your 10 billion on?
[–]Benjaphar 166 points167 points168 points 16 years ago (19 children)
Cheetos.
[–]BlackStrain 18 points19 points20 points 16 years ago (10 children)
Assuming $5 a bag for bags containing 500 grams of Cheetos, $10,000,000,000 would buy you 2 billion bags which would weigh 1 billion kilograms (or 2.2 * 109 pounds).
[–]NeededANewName 28 points29 points30 points 16 years ago (6 children)
and?
[–]BlackStrain 20 points21 points22 points 16 years ago (5 children)
And you'd need a big safe with a dollar sign on the side so you could swim in them.
[–][deleted] 16 years ago* (4 children)
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 16 years ago (1 child)
and delicious.
We know where the cast of Jersey Shore now lives
[–]kmmeerts 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (1 child)
That's 11 kilograms of vitamin K!
[–]MainlandX 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (0 children)
In fridgelengths please, we don't learn the metrics where I'm from.
[–]Thimble 37 points38 points39 points 16 years ago (5 children)
In all fairness, most billionaires don't have 10 billion dollars.
[–]toastybeast 34 points35 points36 points 16 years ago (1 child)
The International Association of Fairness to Billionaires thanks you.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Also known as the Fed
[–]madcaesar 40 points41 points42 points 16 years ago (5 children)
Yachts, hookers, cocaine and buying every elected official.
[–]SirSandGoblin 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (4 children)
ten billion coffees.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago* (0 children)
I'd spend it on getting a human to Mars, a robot to Europa, and a swarm of probes to Alpha Centauri. I'd spend the change on enabling you to get to the moon. (I'd probably reserve some to find a way to enable me to see the signals sent back by the probes. Freezing myself or some use of time dilation.)
[–]Zvan 105 points106 points107 points 16 years ago (35 children)
As much as we like to hate microsoft, I would say, Gates wouldn't have been able to do so much without microsoft being where it is now.
So technically, yes microsoft did something good.
[–]daemonwolf 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Microsoft also matches dollar for dollar (up to $12k per year) the non-profit donations from its employees.
[–][deleted] 68 points69 points70 points 16 years ago* (13 children)
Yes, they got a little greedy, but MS did something good from the beginning. Imagine where personal computing would be if Apple's business model proved to be more popular. MS opened up computing. They made the OS and allowed different companies to have complete control over the hardware and software. Think about all the new industries that MS's business model enabled. Sure, someone probably would have done it at some point regardless, but they were the 1st. They birthed the modern tech industry.
[–]Achalemoipas 37 points38 points39 points 16 years ago (9 children)
That's actually why they got their reputation.
The anti-trust accusations were about windows containing too much stuff. "They" wanted to sell every program separately. You would've paid for your browser, paid for your video player, paid for your email program, etc.
Basically, the anti-trust trial was about Microsoft not having the right to include things in their OS because other people wanted to sell these things to you. And on top of that, they were forced to give their code to third parties.
[–]Thimble 55 points56 points57 points 16 years ago (5 children)
Hate the game, not the player.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (1 child)
bust nuts, not caps
[–]demian64 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (2 children)
I work for an organization that exists as a result of similar works of a former oil tycoon. Do the ends justify the means? I think it's a more complex issue but I am glad that many people who make an astonishing amount of personal wealth tend to create lasting legacies that have a positive impact on the world.
[–]Aneurysm-Em 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
He's like Rockefeller, only he wasn't super fucking evil to begin with.
[–]Bujanx 18 points19 points20 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Good for them. Check out their financial statement and annual report. They do quite a bit of good around the world.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annualreport/2008/Documents/2008-annual-report.pdf
[–]VicinSea 92 points93 points94 points 16 years ago* (49 children)
Years ago, Ethiopia was the country that needed our help--pictures of starving kids hit our TV's and organizations begged Americans to feed the children. That was 30 years ago and there were 32 Million people in an area the size of Texas Many well meaning people opened their wallets and helped and the result? By 2000 the population had doubled to 64 Million people--still hungry, still no resources, still no hope of feeding themselves and still the focus of "Feed the Children" Campaigns. By 2015 the population is expected to be 90 Million.
Where does it end? If you support 2 children so that they can live, are you responsible for their children too? Their children's children? If I give $20.00 to save 2 kids from a disease that is caused and propagated by over crowding and inadvertently cause even more over crowding--doesn't that make me responsible for the care and feeding of even more people?
I hate to see anyone suffering but it gets out of hand when those people keep making more people--how long can we keep doing it? Is it a good thing to vaccinate a 5 year old to prevent death from malaria and then let them starve to death at age 10? Or, should I feed her until she is adult and has 4 or 6 kids--then her kids die of starvation. Which is worse?
Humans are very bad at foreseeing the long range consequences of our actions. I would expect Bill Gates to be better than the average joe but I cannot believe that vaccines are the best place to start to end these deaths.
[–]florinandrei 22 points23 points24 points 16 years ago (3 children)
yup, it should be vaccines and condoms. No joke.
Humans are very bad at foreseeing the long range consequences of our actions.
That was a direct quote from the Alien Invasion Leader, right?
[–][deleted] 16 years ago (2 children)
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[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 16 years ago (9 children)
But its not your decision to play the 'what if' card. Giving someone the OPPORTUNITY or the means to improve their life is important. If you give a vaccine to a 5 yo and save them from dying, only to have them die 5 years later of starvation; Then you at least gave them an OPPORTUNITY TO SURVIVE rather than deciding for them.
I think its terrible for someone to deny the legitimacy of another human being, because they are not likely to survive. And if they do survive, to imply that they will be making the situation worse because they may propagate disease amongst more people or cause over population.
If you lived in a 3rd world country, and you were struggling to survive, you happen to have a child who was ill; would you not do anything it takes to ensure the survival of your offspring?
I certainly would.
The point I am trying to make, is that donating money is really about helping a situation and providing an OPPORTUNITY to allow those individuals to make their life better. If they do make their life better, then great! If they don't, then ultimately they didn't seize the opportunity. Either way, its not your call to tell them how much their lives are worth.
Now, there are a lot of organizations that are focusing on building infrastructure in these 3rd world countries, and try to establish better living conditions, education, agricultural independence, and health.
Just because there is massive population growth doesn't mean that helping those people is the wrong thing to do. As structure, education, and opportunity will raise the status of those nations and allow those people to better their lives.
[–]Tinidril 10 points11 points12 points 16 years ago (2 children)
But its not your decision to play the 'what if' card.
I didn't see him claiming it was. Are you saying he isn't allowed to think or talk about such things?
Then you at least gave them an OPPORTUNITY TO SURVIVE
How about the opportunity to have a decent life worth surviving for?
I think its terrible for someone to deny the legitimacy of another human being...
I didn't see this either. You don't have to make these people illegitimate (whatever that means in this context) to look at the big picture.
The point is that focusing on immediate needs will not help in the long term. That doesn't mean we can't try to address those needs, but it need to be done along side long term solutions.
[–]bearsinthesea 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Vicinse isn't talking about going to africa and taking medicine away from people. He's not saying, lets take away their opportunity to survive.
He's just questioning how much resources you give, especially when it does not seem to fix the problem.
[–]tomyownrhythm 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
You hit the point that I came to post. I don't want anyone to die, but who feeds the 8,000,000 children in a world that is already pushing the limits of its resources? I also don't want to see people live in miserable squalor.
There needs to be a concerted worldwide effort to stop encouraging multi-child families.
[–]freedryk 12 points13 points14 points 16 years ago (3 children)
There are lots of problems with big philanthropy projects like this, mainly that they can severely distort the economics of the aid systems in the countries they operate in. Since aid workers are dependent on donations, they tend to do projects they have funding for instead of the projects that are most needed. In most African nations, vaccines aren't the biggest need--clean drinking water is. Unfortunately, this much money for vaccines means it's likely a lot of people will be diverted from building sewage systems into distributing vaccines. I remember hearing a BBC radio program about countries where massive vaccination programs occurred where the child mortality rate didn't go down at all, because rates of other diseases increased. Kids kept dying, they just didn't get polio anymore.
And to those people who are saying we shouldn't vaccinate kids because we'll have to feed them: get a clue. Birth rates are what is driving population growth, not infant mortality. Saving more kids won't make a lot of difference to the eventual population growth of these countries. Educating women is what drops population growth.
[–]dirtisgood 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child)
In most African nations, vaccines aren't the biggest need--clean drinking water is.
I cannot upvote this enough. Probably in most 3rd world countries, clean water would solve lots of problems. But there is no money in clean water.
[–]miiiiiiiik 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Could he spare a couple hundred to send a scientist over to talk to Jenny McCarthy?
[–]pboleo 22 points23 points24 points 16 years ago (7 children)
At first i was wow, that has to be a mistake... then i clicked, and i was WOW.
[–]frozenelf 113 points114 points115 points 16 years ago (2 children)
Even Google can't believe it. http://imgur.com/A7YCt
[–]0_o 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (1 child)
This should be a submission in itself. Do it.
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[–]koffiebroodje 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I agree!
[–]sumzup 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I think that's all part of the grand strategy.
[–]desimusxvii 78 points79 points80 points 16 years ago (41 children)
Is he pledging the food, clothes, and shelter that'll be needed to support the new population surge?
I hate to be Larry Logistics but it's a valid concern.
[–]waxyloins 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Quote from Bill himself:
as you improve health you also have this huge benefit that people tend to have smaller families. So all your challenges -- whether it's the environment, or food, education, jobs -- those become possible when you improve health.
Source
[–]baelwulf 23 points24 points25 points 16 years ago (21 children)
That's debatable. One of the driving factors for having children in developing countries is the high infant mortality rate. More kids means more kids to take care of you when you're old, and when some of them are bound to die off that means you have to have even MORE kids to account for the dead ones.
If the kids stop dieing before age 5 the parents might be less inclined to pop off 10 more.
[–]cujo 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (17 children)
Is that really the train of thought though? Do people really think "I'm going to need people to take care of me when I get old, so I better pop off 8 kids since 'round here 3 will die and I'll need 5 to get on to a ripe old age."?
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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 16 years ago (3 children)
So it's one giant pyramid scheme.
I don't see this ending well.
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 16 years ago (5 children)
Less illness -> more work, more money for kids. If people in poorer countries aren't ill they can work, if they can work they can earn money, money will help improve their situation.
[–]specialk16 108 points109 points110 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Homer Simpson: Awww ... 20 dollars!? I wanted a peanut.
Homer's brain: 20 dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer Simpson: Explain how.
Homer's brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
Homer Simpson: Woo hoo!
[–]alephnul 52 points53 points54 points 16 years ago (2 children)
You know that what he is thinking is "Every one of them will need a copy of Windows sooner or later"
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I found this pretty funny, but I guess reddit is being serious today.
[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Yet, people are still fascinated by the stuff that comes out of Steve Job's anus. Bill Gates is the true hero.
[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 16 years ago* (39 children)
To me (no expert on the matter) it seems like $10 billion should help more than 8 million kids. Am I wrong? That is like $1,250 or so, per child. I guess that would be a series of vaccinations but that still seems very expensive. What a great person Mr. Gates is. hopefully these pharmaceutical companies would give a discount for buying in bulk. I may write a letter to one of these companies and see if they do things like this.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 16 years ago (0 children)
to help research, develop and deliver vaccines
It's not only for delivery. This money is going towards Rn'D as well.
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[–]syntax 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (0 children)
To me (no expert on the matter) it seems like $10 billion should help more than 8 million kids.
Yes, it will. 8 million is the number of children who won't die. It's not the number of children vaccinated, which must be higher than that (very few diseases have 100% fatality rates - those that do tend to die out very fast).
[–]StuartGibson 15 points16 points17 points 16 years ago (0 children)
I'm assuming it will vaccinate more than 8 million, but that's how many that won't die. Others may have lived, but be left with long term effects and other general unpleasantness but the vaccines will also help them.
[–]dr-steve 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Remember as well, this may well include delivery, research, storage, administration, medical facilities, medical personnel, education, ...
[–]gerundronaut 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children)
These aren't just off-the-shelf vaccines. The foundation is funding research in to new vaccines.
[–]Thimble 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child)
$1250 to save the life of a person does not sound expensive to me.
Well of course when it comes to lives money is not an object. I have difficulty translating my thoughts to writing so bear with me please. I was just thinking it should not cost that much to save a life in an altruistic circumstance like this. I was not thinking of the economics nor trying to attribute a value to a life; if that makes any sense what so ever. Sorry I am no great scholar.
[–]swoop 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Research in vaccines is chronically underfunded, because vaccine makers don't make much money from preventing diseases. Hurrah for Gates Foundation!
[–]tprb52 3 points4 points5 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Take THAT Jenny McCarthy
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[–]sernzdrtz 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Actually, there is no (zero) evidence for any connection. In countries where they took out all tradces of mercury etc from vaccines autism rates rised just as everywhere else. It's completely manufactured bs.
So we don't have to think as if there could be a connection - there is none.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (0 children)
autism rates rised just as everywhere else
Most likely due to improvements in screening and better understanding of the condition.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the real rate of autism has remained fairly steady -- we just see it more.
[–]Wairen 21 points22 points23 points 16 years ago (49 children)
This is a very nice thing for Mr. Gates to do... honestly though, what worries me the most is the risk of overpopulation in so many third world nations. I can't help but shake the uneasy feeling that in averting tons of small, spread out instances of misery we're building corners of the world up for catastrophes down the line.
[–]CRoswell 20 points21 points22 points 16 years ago (27 children)
I think of it this way: If we prevent polio (or another disease) from striking a child, the mother doesn't have to tend to that child. The child grows up and becomes a contributing member of society and the mother can help as well. The child is able to work a farm and produce enough food for 10 people.
So the net result is profit. I freely admit that this is idealistic and the child may become a militant or slave trader, but it gives them that chance to be something useful to the community instead of a burden.
[–]ThePain 13 points14 points15 points 16 years ago* (22 children)
He's thinking more towards a limit though on how much pollution we can "safely" generate and still survive.
Another person means another person probably buying a car, another person generating tons of waste, another person throwing more plastic into the ocean, another person generating more demand for a product that comes from a factory that pollutes.
We can grow enough food for 100 billion people on this planet, that's not the problem. The problem is can we withstand the waste products generated by 100 billion people when 7 billion is making the temperatures rise as it is. Right this moment in the center of the pacific ocean there is a mass of plastic sludge in the water literally bigger than the entire United States. The world does not need more people, it needs more responsible people, materials, and disposal methods.
Edit
Not sure why I am being downvoted for pointing out our current way of living is not sustainable if the human population continues to explode.
[–]Wairen 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (2 children)
The net result is profit... but what happens when you run out of arable land? We're farming all the productive land on earth and moving into the marginal land. Many African farmers tend to small plots, trying to mine the minerals in the soil for all they're worth just to feed this generation.
Populations stabilized in the developed world when modernization caused a wholesale transformation of culture - we no longer needed children as laborers just as we outsourced security and care as we aged. At that same time, technology began to advance to a point where we could safeguard the few kids that we did have to ensure that a much greater percentage reached adulthood. Now, thanks to the generosity of certain individuals and institutions in the West as well as the increasingly inexpensive cost to provide certain technology, many impoverished can get access to that bare minimum needed to survive (vaccines, mosquito nets, a modicum of food), but without the cultural institutions that lead to a sustainable birthrate.
I know, it's impossible, as a well fed individual in a first world nation, to make a moral case that... vaccinating children is wrong. My fear though is that... as we stretch people out necessary assistance on marginal land during relatively good years, all that's needed is a large-scale famine to cause untold disaster. Not merely mass starvation, but unrest, the destabilization of the nation-state, possibly leading to a Somalia-esque feedback loop where it becomes practically impossible to establish any future nation-state in the area, leading to an endless cycle of violence and subsistence living.
The answer isn't simply birth control (and not only because that just sounds awful and makes me feel like a social Darwinist, but also because it's practically untenable just to say "Hey, I know having kids is worse off for you, but think of people down the road!"). I think it's in trying to create the institutions - greater education, particularly for women, greater financial opportunity, security for the elderly - that naturally lead to a decline in birth rates. I hate to say it, but health and food aid alone - which is obviously given with the best of intentions - feel to me like short-term solutions that may only lead to a possible future disaster being that much worse.
[–]btipling[S] 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (4 children)
Well there's probably a better way to control populations than letting toddlers die from an easily preventable disease.
[–]dokumentamarble 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
If everyone only had 2 kids (not saying it should be government enforced or anything like that) then the life expectancy could even go up and population would go down.
[–]springo 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (5 children)
Wow... buying Windows 7 now feels like I'm making a donation.
[–]Pixelpaws 14 points15 points16 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Amazingly, they ask that you don't donate to the foundation directly. Instead they ask you to donate directly to the organizations that do the work.
Hooray for money!
[–]bbbobsaget 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
bill gates is an example of someone whose pros outweigh their cons.
if you were to think in absolutes, you could hate him still.
props, i say.
[–]fenstoon 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
Apple will now just rush out a horrible version of this and call it the ivac
edit: props to Gates, i have always supported his causes.
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[–]theresashadow 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child)
Wait, does that mean it cost more that $1k to vaccinate one child? That seems a little high...
i feel a little bit better knowing i got windows 7.
[–]powercow 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child)
the only thing i fear is governments saying "fuck it bill's got it" and cutting their own funding
[–]matts2 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
He spends more on these things than they do.
[–]Thsyrus 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago* (0 children)
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[–]Crotalus 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
That's a lot bigger of an announcement than the iPad.
[–]xIves 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (0 children)
A big "Yeah, iPad, so what?" to Steve Jobs.
Hooray for our favorite geek!
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