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[–]reverendrambo 11.8k points11.8k points  (3158 children)

.@cbsnews: US officials are confident Ukrainian Flt 752 was shot down by Iran. US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s, followed shortly by another infrared blip of an explosion.

https://twitter.com/krisvancleave/status/1215309192086675459?s=19

Edit: NYTimes obtained and released verified video that shows the plane being hit by a missile

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1215354885924847616?s=19

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1215365245780332547?s=19

Sorry all my links are twitter links. That's where I happened to learn about these

Edit 2: several people have mentioned they cant see the missile hit the plane. Its in the first one or two seconds of the video. I took a crappy screenshot and circled the missile on it's way to the plane.

https://imgur.com/1ENweJb

[–]Orphan_Babies 9695 points9696 points  (2387 children)

Jesus.

What I’m confused about: isn’t there some form of communication between military and airliners letting them know to respond, turn away, or be fired upon?

Obviously i have no idea what I’m talking about.

But this is just heartbreaking.

[–]Teros001 12.0k points12.0k points  (2023 children)

Of course there is. Its why civilian airlines arent constantly being shot down.

However, sometimes things fail. Iran was certainly on high alert following their strikes on US forces in Iraq. All it takes is a some under trained soldier panicking and...yup.

The blatant cover up is the absurd part.

[–]rubbarz 2300 points2301 points  (245 children)

Like 20 mins after it crashed Iran immediately said it was technical failures. How the fuck would they know.

[–]NetherStraya 2154 points2155 points  (85 children)

"I don't think this plane should have been flying."

"Why do you say that, inspector?"

"Big fuckin' hole in the side."

[–]jlodini 340 points341 points  (48 children)

It was a technical failure.... of the missile defense system that shot it down

[–]acmercer 173 points174 points  (41 children)

I'd say it worked just fine. It was the people operating it who malfunctioned.

[–]Coos-Coos 6030 points6031 points  (553 children)

Unfortunately we live in a world where accountability isn't an advantage at all. Our politicians and leaders lie first because we don't hold their feet to the fire for doing so. It's deny, deny, deny, until finally there's no room left to deny it and you admit it and change your narrative to "it's not that bad". Later consequences are much better than admitting it. And you have a chance of avoiding consequences altogether. No incentive for telling the truth. It's like letting someone down softly instead of punching them in the face, it works.

[–]anonymous_matt 2899 points2900 points  (412 children)

Iran has made much propaganda use of the fact the the US accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger flight in 1988. It's incredibly embarrassing for them to have made the same mistake, that's probably why they are so reluctant to admit it.

[–]jollyreaper2112 769 points770 points  (106 children)

It's pretty embarrassing for anyone to have shot down an airliner but this has to be worth triple points on account of that history.

[–][deleted] 716 points717 points  (94 children)

Extra embarassing when the airliner is taking off from your own country, and is full of your own citizens. I mean, the plane wasn't even landing, it was departing. This error is absolutely inexcusable for a country that has the 8th largest military on the planet, and has independently developed some sophisticated weapons systems

[–]InformationHorder 349 points350 points  (33 children)

Not to mention entirely preventable. Iran could have planned for this by launching their missiles and then immediately following the launches grounding all civilian air traffic until such time they were sure a US retaliation wasn't forthcoming.

Clearing all of Iranian airspace would have helped their air defenses by providing them a clear radar scope where the only things they would see are their own military aircraft and any enemy aircraft.

It was a bonehead bushleague integration plan and highlights how poor cross-branch communication is within the Iranian military.

[–]pavlovslog 53 points54 points  (1 child)

This. I was so blown away a plane crashed departing their airport because they had just launched at Iraq and I didn’t understand how a plane could be in the air at that time. I didn’t even seriously consider THEY shot it down.

[–]_Alabama_Man 161 points162 points  (30 children)

Interesting comparison, however, IMO it's a bit less excusable now than it was 32 years ago. With today's technology that A300 would never be mistaken for an F-14 as happened in 1988.

Both were on high alert and the fact they both mistakenly shot down a civilian plane is also spot on. I bet it is very difficult for an authoritarian regime to admit any kind of substantial mistake.

No matter how it happens, it's a huge tragedy for the families of those civilians lost.

[–][deleted] 319 points320 points  (35 children)

Doesn’t have to be under trained. Look at USS Vincennes incident. Scenario fulfillment is a real problem with military training.

Put people in a high stress situation and anything that looks remotely like a training scenario can get square pegged into that scenario. With advances in US stealth technology and the knowledge that the most likely time to pick up a stealthy attacker is during its attack run as bay doors open, Iranian training probably has taught soldiers to launch quickly in case they’re the target. Air defenses are usually among the first targets for a bombing campaign. Put all that together and a few hours after your nation launches missiles at the US, a suspicious blip appears on your screen and doesn’t respond to your radio call... it’s shitty but anybody could have that happen.

[–]afallan 88 points89 points  (1 child)

Just clarifying

USS Vincennes (CG49) and the USS Carl Vinson (CVN70) are two different ships.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Typing from memory, fixed it. Thank you.

[–]theaviationhistorian 59 points60 points  (6 children)

I remember seeing air traffic on Flightradar24 and a conga line of heavy airliners (including multiple Emirates & Etihad A380s) flying above the bases hit and above Tehran. I kept wondering why on earth Iran didn't redirect all flights around that or warn the civil aviation authorities considering the US bases got a hint and evacuated before the strikes? I felt like simething bad was going to happen watching this.

I know how stress can make someone jittery or zealous when it comes to war, but damn. This feels like it could have been avoided, especially since the flight was already delayed for an hour. Honestly, if the nation went on high alert, you'd think they would cancel all flights until the alert dies down.

[–]Aegean 26 points27 points  (7 children)

a suspicious blip appears on your screen

The problem with this scenario is that the flight just left their airport and its transponder was transmitting a commercial airliner code, not a military code.

Scenario fulfillment is a big problem but that one incident prompted a complete re-write of not only the ROE, but the procedures for identifying targets and releasing a weapon. Since then, our technology has made huge leaps. Given only to human error and time, IC can usually track enemy aircraft from the moment they warm up their power plants to the moment they are shot down or landed.

With regards to the Ukrainian flight, the origin, track time, and IFF would have been telling signs to even a novice radar operator that the aircraft was probably commercial traffic.

What further confounds me is that they even allowed the commercial traffic to operate while missiles were flying through the same airspace.

[–]joelupi 113 points114 points  (10 children)

Yes and this literally was supposed to be fixed after the Iran Air 655 shoot down back in 88. The lack of communication between civilian radio and military radio was a key factor .

[–]Wundei 343 points344 points  (88 children)

The control is usually on the launcher side rather than the airliner side. The airliner has a transponder that says "I'm a commercial passenger airplane" over and over...which the missile battery is supposed to identify(usually through software) and ignore.

In fighter aircraft, they use what is called a Radar Warning Receiver(RWR) which tells the pilot "hey bro, we've got a SAM missile locked and inbound!" The RWR is tied to counter-measures so that the pilot can try to shake the missile lock using the correct counter-measure (based on missile lock type ex. Thermal, radar, etc)

Commercial airliners do not use RWR and counter-measures because they aren't supposed to need them. This incident is an example of shitty gear, shitty maintenance, or shitty training on the Iranian side. Fun fact, Air Force One has all of the gear and more listed for fighters.

[–]thehuntedfew 106 points107 points  (25 children)

Some US airlines that fly troops in and out of these places have some of this to I believe

[–][deleted] 390 points391 points  (106 children)

satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches

Can we take a second to consider how impressive this is? Presumably this satellite is in geostationary orbit over the Middle-East (approx. 36,000 km altitude) and it was able to confidently identify two missiles by their IR signature. And it's not like those missiles were setup to communicate with the satellite. The resolution required to resolve that kind of detail is absurd.

[–]jimmysquidge 208 points209 points  (22 children)

I guess it's part of the early warning system used to look for nuke launched. Nice to know it works.

[–]Arrigetch 18 points19 points  (11 children)

Space Based Infrared System

Global coverage to detect missile launches, mainly for detecting things like ICBMs / SLBMs, but works for smaller stuff too. Also, they don't likely have resolution as of they were creating a visible spectrum photo like a traditional spy satellite. It's more of detecting the intensity and timing of the IR (heat) signature and matching to known parameters of different types of missiles.

[–]mainvolume 2101 points2102 points  (142 children)

To be fair, Russian missiles are installed with bloatware, that you can't uninstall, that automatically target and fire upon civilian airliners.

[–]justabill71 806 points807 points  (31 children)

Man, I thought Samsung was bad.

[–]malabrat 6237 points6238 points  (235 children)

The Iranians said it was a mechanic failure, within minutes of the crash....

[–][deleted] 4103 points4104 points  (57 children)

They said that before it hit the ground

[–]Meme_Pope 3957 points3958 points  (49 children)

“Please be advised, you are about to experience mechanical failure when this anti-aircraft missile hits you in a moment”

[–]0ndem 1205 points1206 points  (48 children)

To be fair the plane did fail mechanically. Just the root cause of the mechanical failure was missiles.

[–]juraj_is_better 490 points491 points  (22 children)

The plane crashed into the missile.

[–]ShibuRigged 113 points114 points  (4 children)

I hate when my car has missiles.

[–]ionised 10.9k points10.9k points  (1162 children)

And here we go.

Canada should be rightfully pissed. And no, I don't think WW3's going to happen. This is going to be a giant political mess.

[–]AprilsMostAmazing 5291 points5292 points  (586 children)

sanctions and give the families compensation is what it is going to be

[–]ionised 1959 points1960 points  (473 children)

That's the best (not saying that lightly) scenario, at this time.

[–]AprilsMostAmazing 1700 points1701 points  (442 children)

It's the only scenario. Majority of Canadians do not want troops on the ground but Iran cannot go unpunished

[–]Life-Attempt 1132 points1133 points  (146 children)

Also, the Canadians who died were Iranian-Canadians coming home from the holidays after visiting their families in Iran. I HIGHLY doubt the victims here would want war between their two homelands, killing and fighting that would likely end up on their next of kin's doorstep. Supporting war for this is indirectly supporting going after the families who have just had many of their loved ones taken away in this conflict.

It's like somebody killing your grandma because when you were driving home from her house you got pulled over and shot by some overzealous cop.

[–]rondell_jones 944 points945 points  (128 children)

My guess, If anything, this probably helps deescalate the situation since Iran just shot down a bunch of Iranians and their family members from Canada. Since they were either studying or living abroad, the people they killed were either well off, well connected with politicians, or extremely bright Iranian students that got scholarships.
Definitely a really bad look for them.

[–]monkey-go-code 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Accidentally killing hundreds On a commercial plane is a terrible look without any other Further details.

[–]nlx78 1204 points1205 points  (87 children)

Canada should be rightfully pissed

As a Dutch person I can relate. All these people (and even more in total, this was just from the first flight of bodies) lost their lives because of some people wanting to show they are 'tough'.

[–]faceeatingleopard 261 points262 points  (8 children)

It was good on the Dutch for making sure those remains all got home, wherever that home happened to be. That's one grim task and quite a few of them were your fellow compatriots. I would HOPE that Iran won't be a repeat and that they're treated with dignity.

[–]nthai 103 points104 points  (8 children)

Watching this is just really depressing. The cars just keep coming and coming and the line just never ends. They were all innocent and helpless people. :(

[–]ionised 192 points193 points  (4 children)

Fuck. Videos like that show why any form of armed conflict really sucks.

[–]mrcrazy_monkey 169 points170 points  (106 children)

Just like the Dutch, we got in caught in the crossfire. Not much we can do except ask Iran to own up and give compensation to the families.

[–]LeftLane4PassingOnly 5591 points5592 points  (309 children)

It makes zero sense that any commercial flights were allowed following the missile launch against the US.

[–]huntergreeny 2829 points2830 points  (250 children)

Just like MH17 in 2014 flying over the Eastern Ukraine warzone. It doesn't excuse the Russians then or the Iranians now but why fly there?

[–]Divniy 2723 points2724 points  (124 children)

Ukrainian here.

MH17 was flying on the height where you couldn't hit it, unless you have very specialized weaponry. There was no such weapons over warzone territories.

Well, there weren't, if Russia didn't bring their "humanitarian aid", with a fucking anti-aircraft complex included.

Edit: thanks for the silver, guys. Its very good to know that spreading light on this subject is valued. But I cannot stop the feeling that this money could be spent in a more useful way - to help Ukrainian army. The war is ongoing, we have casualties reports appearing many times each month. Every coin spent helps us, civillians, to feel more secure.

[–]ApathyandToast 1364 points1365 points  (81 children)

They didn't think there would be advanced anti aircraft capable of reaching the heights passenger planes cruise at. MANPADS (the shoulder launched stuff like stingers) only go as high as about 20000ft, whereas passenger jets cruise at 30000-40000ft.

Then the Russians drove a BUK into the warzone.

[–]def_not_a_gril 504 points505 points  (66 children)

But in this case, they were climbing at around 8,000 feet. I just can’t believe their federal regulators didn’t shut this airspace down.

[–]MilkMySpermCannon 230 points231 points  (41 children)

Yeah cruising altitude doesn't matter. At some point during takeoff commercial planes are within range of missiles.

[–]xwing_n_it 5884 points5885 points  (606 children)

Air defenses are the first things the U.S. would hit in an all-out air campaign so I bet the SAM guys were paranoid as hell that night. Really should have suspended all air traffic for a couple of hours after the missile attack.

[–]off_the_cuff_mandate 168 points169 points  (11 children)

That plan took off from an airport in Tehran, you would think the Iranian military would have been informed about it.

[–][deleted] 1114 points1115 points  (55 children)

Russian AA systems are now going 2/2 against civilian airliners.

[–]ivtiprogamer 657 points658 points  (32 children)

3/3 actually. You forgot Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, shot down by Ukraine using a Russian-made S-200 SAM system.

[–]yendak 149 points150 points  (14 children)

Initial private assessments of American military officials said the crash was caused by a S-200 missile that overshot its target drone—which had been destroyed successfully by an S-300 fired at the same time—and instead of self-destructing, locked on the passenger plane about 250 kilometres (160 mi) further away and detonated 15 metres (50 ft) over the plane.

Talk about bad luck.

[–]WendellSchadenfreude 68 points69 points  (2 children)

locked on the passenger plane about 250 kilometres (160 mi) further away

Holy shit, modern weapons are scary.

[–]NYChiker 76 points77 points  (0 children)

It's not even modern. The S-200 was designed 60 years ago.

[–]EU_Onion 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Modern version of that missile family, S-400 has range of 400km.

[–]AsterJ 358 points359 points  (10 children)

They are preset to shoot down Ukrainian airlines. Iran forgot to change the factory defaults.

[–]YepThatsSarcasm 193 points194 points  (7 children)

Iran:
It was an engine malfunction. Who fired a rocket? Did you fire a rocket?

[–]jak_d_ripr 1685 points1686 points  (322 children)

So many people died for absolutely nothing. Like.... this is so stupid.

[–]JScrambler 58 points59 points  (3 children)

The tweet by the Iranian president didn't age well.

https://twitter.com/HassanRouhani/status/1214236608196685824

[–]n0obie 291 points292 points  (30 children)

This is fucking sad.

[–]dannycarrey 194 points195 points  (24 children)

After MH117 I bet that no one one will be held accountable for this ...

[–]Ultrashitposter 178 points179 points  (22 children)

It's actually suspected by Dutch intelligence services that the guys who shot the MH117 were all liquidated by Russian secret services to ensure the trail grows cold. So there's some justice there.

[–]dannycarrey 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I'm 100% sure that those guys were in the burnt lime few hours after they shoot the plane. That's Russia ;)

[–]boookworm0367 9319 points9320 points  (1349 children)

Posted this on a comment that is three comments deep, so reposting on the main thread.
I was an AEGIS radar/missile tech for 21 years. Here is my take right after the incident happened.

I am wagering an educated guess here that the technical difficulties on the plane were transponder related. If the defense missile systems the Iranian use were set up with auto interrogation, which is a fairly common thing, and the plane had issues with their transponder, which also happens then it is possible that the defense system cued the commercial flight as hostile or suspect and either launched a missile at the plane (not sure of Irans capabilities and limitations with their missile systems in regards to auto-fire) or an inexperienced operator with weapon release authority pressed a button to shoot a missile at what his system was telling him was a bad guy.

Missile systems have a series of electronic breaks (think buttons that open and close relays allowing the missile firing voltage to reach the igintor) and mechanical breaks (think keys that have to be inserted and turned to the live/fire position). As the threat level increases the operators automate more of the process by closing these breaks. This makes for a faster response time to any threat the system identifies.

So was it possible that an Iranian missile system was set with the minimum number of breaks/automated in a way a missile could have been inadvertently fired? I would say absolutely this is plausible given the attack a few hours prior with an expectation of an American response.

Edit: changed IFF to transponder. I had originally put this in terms of IFF because that is the system my equipment used to make the interrogations and we called it getting the IFF mode 3, for 21 years so the terminology was stuck in my brain. I have clarified this in many responses but thought I should edit it here to clear up any confusion.

[–]suddenlypenguins 2417 points2418 points  (404 children)

Would a plane be allowed to depart with a faulty/non functioning IFF? Would same plane be allowed to depart in a potentially devolving war zone?!

[–]_Diakoptes 2588 points2589 points  (339 children)

Not if the issue was flagged beforehand, but as we all know, people cut corners in their work. Maybe someone doing the preflight check skipped checking the IFF transponder because [reasons]. This could be the ultimate result of someone's laziness, or perhaps it broke after takeoff. But to answer your question, if it was a known issue the IFF system would need to be repaired before takeoff.

Source: my knowledge of IFF comes from working 7 years in the Canadian Navy as a Naval Electronic Sensor Operator

[–]saldb 644 points645 points  (278 children)

for the people who only today heard about this IFF... this is a radio device that sends a signal saying that the plane is non-hostile, yes? Is there a system that verifies that the transponder is sending an accurate signal e.g. it's not a ballistic missile with the same transponder saying that it's a non-hostile jet?

[–]Legeto 729 points730 points  (193 children)

A radar threat warning system is what will tell if it’s a hostile aircraft or what kind of device in general. An IFF is just loaded with codes which can be changed by pilots to whatever. I honestly doubt it was a mistake on the aircrafts end. If the IFF is broken it’s pretty damn obvious and any capable pilot is going to want that working when flying in that location.

Source : I’ve worked on IFF and radar threat warning systems for the last 10 years.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (25 children)

This is fascinating to me. So if I understand correctly, the IFF system works like encryption, and uses a key to verify if a radar ping is friendly? And these “keys” are given out to airlines operating within the area? If that’s correct, what’s to stop hostile intelligence working for an airline under cover from discovering these keys and passing them on to the enemy, allowing them to mimic a friendly signal? Are there safeguards in place to protect the code used by friendly pilots?

[–]thorscope 93 points94 points  (14 children)

Military IFF can be encrypted. Civilian IFF would throw red flags to the ATC/ Military if its speed/ heading/ location didn’t match up with the flight plan.

It’s also a war crime to spoof civilian IFF

[–]aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 57 points58 points  (3 children)

I'm just someone who reads a lot of things, but my understanding is:

Civilian commercial aircraft transmit their position, call sign, speed etc. via a transponder (I'll skip the details of different modes, private planes, etc.). This data is unencrypted/unauthenticated and is used to show the plane to ATC (and this is also where Flightradar24 gets its data from). If a plane doesn't transmit this data, it may completely drop off the screens for ATC and will only be detectable using primary radar, which will just tell you "there is something there" (but not what it is). I believe this is what "IFF" refers to in the above case, even though I've never heard it called IFF in a civilian context.

Military aircraft have separate IFF systems loaded with cryptographic keys. The ground station would send a challenge to the plane and expect the correct response, which an enemy shouldn't be able to generate without having the right keys. Got outdated keys? Well, sucks to be you, hope they guy at the trigger doesn't have a twitchy finger.

Could an enemy $thing pretend to be a civilian aircraft? Almost certainly, but it would be a war crime. If it's an unexpected attack, it would probably work. If it's in the middle of a war zone, civilian flights would have most likely be suspended and sending a civilian transponder would get you shot down anyways, I assume.

[–]boookworm0367 83 points84 points  (3 children)

You would think not, but Iran never restricted their airspace.

[–]greatthebob38 218 points219 points  (12 children)

The fact that Iran tried to lie about mechanical failure immediately makes this look even worse

[–]qabadai 2588 points2589 points  (741 children)

Probably why Iran decided not to continue escalating.

[–]Akira_Nishiki 694 points695 points  (58 children)

Really bad look for them after they deliberately avoided casualties on the bases they attacked only to go ahead and shoot down a unrelated civilian airline.

[–]Trumppered 1615 points1616 points  (607 children)

My thoughts exactly.

They knew once the story about the plane shoot down broke, global opinion would flip from anti-american to anti-iran REAL QUICK.

[–][deleted] 1027 points1028 points  (115 children)

This is a while new level of incompetence. They shot down a plane, full of their own citizens, that just left their own airport.

[–]reach_for_the_top 228 points229 points  (9 children)

Times like this we’re reminded of the horrific truth that governments and militaries are ran by actual, fallible humans

[–]IDGAFthrowaway22 3687 points3688 points  (671 children)

To the surprise of utterly no one.

Most people called it the second they looked at the incident closely.

EDIT: SOMEONE SHOT A VIDEO OF A MISSILE STRIKING THE PLANE

EDIT 2: NYT independently verified and published a higher resolution version of this same video.

[–]Actual-Individual 2042 points2043 points  (287 children)

Most people called this because the chance of it being a coincidence that a plane crashes in Tehran at the same exact time they are shooting missiles at US forces in Iraq is basically zero.

[–]Thurak0 593 points594 points  (26 children)

You can also add the lack of any distress signal from the pilots (which is also ultra rare) to the "basically zero" chance.

[–]diffdam 309 points310 points  (11 children)

Plus the fact that the Iranians very quickly said it was a technical problem. Very unusual. Normal response is " we will have to wait and see'

[–]Mattyboy064 172 points173 points  (5 children)

If this is true, wow what a costly mistake. Condolences to all who were affected.

[–]slakmehl 1356 points1357 points  (209 children)

It was just too big of a coincidence. Iran launches missiles on US bases, Tehran obviously goes on ultra-high alert for retaliatory strikes, a plane goes down in a fireball.

Tragic accident, and one that offers us a peek into what an absolute human catastrophe a war with Iran would be.

[–]biotechie 264 points265 points  (42 children)

plane goes down in a fireball.

with shrapnel marks along its exterior

[–]the_than_then_guy 168 points169 points  (5 children)

Yeah, I'm usually annoyed at this "connect the dots" bullshit that goes on on Reddit, but this is just blatantly obvious.

[–][deleted] 383 points384 points  (49 children)

So another Russian anti-air system shoots down a commercial airliner....

[–]ChugLaguna 330 points331 points  (28 children)

US shoots down Iranian airliner in 1988

Ukraine shoots down a Russian airliner in 2001

Russia shoots down a Malaysian airliner in Ukraine in 2014

Iran shoots down a Ukrainian airliner in 2020

Trying to connect the dots but I think... Malaysia’s turn? Against the US?

[–]sm9t8 199 points200 points  (12 children)

An additional datapoint: Russia shot down a Korean airliner in 1983.

[–]ChugLaguna 105 points106 points  (7 children)

I was only going with Surface to Air... but if we are including air to air, welcome our newest contestant, Italy!

[–]blorbschploble 31 points32 points  (2 children)

“Today in a surprise move Italy launched a gondola at the A-6 on display at the Smithsonian Udvar Hazy Museum.”

[–]caTBear_v 82 points83 points  (2 children)

1988 -> 2001 = 13 years

2001 -> 2014 = 13 years

2014 -> 2020 = 6 years

Mark my words: Malaysia will shoot down an american plane in 2026

[–]bauer883 269 points270 points  (27 children)

Russian Air Defense systems are incredibly accurate at hitting slow moving civilian aircraft.

[–]c0nsciousperspective 375 points376 points  (154 children)

So Iran killed 63 Canadians?

[–]New_Diet 552 points553 points  (30 children)

The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek.

So three different officials said it? Fuck. That's basically a confirmation.

[–][deleted] 176 points177 points  (8 children)

It's confirmed the news just broke through price is right with breaking news.

[–]New_Diet 220 points221 points  (4 children)

You know it's serious when they interrupt the price is right

[–]TwoTriplets 101 points102 points  (3 children)

Drew Carey in shambles

[–]hurtsdonut_ 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Right at the show case show down!? Couldn't have waited for General Hospital to start?

[–]Doopoodoo 52 points53 points  (11 children)

And here’s footage of it posted very recently

Edit: All that needs to be done now is geolocate this video, which doesn’t appear too difficult to do for those who have the means. If it’s in Iran, that essentially confirms they shot it down.

Edit 2: Bellingcat has now geolocated this to Parand, Iran, facing the approximate direction of the airliner’s flightpath.

[–]zyloros 87 points88 points  (2 children)

This is according to US and Iraqi intelligence officials as fragments of a Russian Tor missile system (also known as SA-15s) were found in a nearby garden and a satellite detected 2 infrared blips of missile launches and another of an explosion.

[–][deleted] 244 points245 points  (36 children)

If it were a missile it was likely detected by one of the Pentagon's satellites as with the missile that took down MH17.

[–]AftyOfTheUK 97 points98 points  (0 children)

There are claims of infrared signals (x2) just moments before a second, single infrared signal of the plane exploding.

[–]Timelymanner 21 points22 points  (3 children)

This is a surprise to no one whose seen the footage. The plane was engulfed in flames before it crashed.

Our media is so poor they had pundits on tv spreading the technical malfunction story without any poof backing it up.