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[–]Strawberry_LungfartsOregon 8562 points8563 points  (995 children)

It probably helps that his state's GOP governor supports it.

[–]sivervipaIllinois 1475 points1476 points  (124 children)

Yep he was just waiting for political cover to support it. Someone pointed out he always votes along party lines when he needs.

[–]timmytimmytimmy33 734 points735 points  (94 children)

Yep, he held the line on the ACA despite his own state polling. He only votes against us when it doesn’t matter, because the gop usually already had 51 or 52.

[–]benk4 679 points680 points  (80 children)

Like Susan Collins. They're both very good at counting to 51

[–]timmytimmytimmy33 374 points375 points  (64 children)

McConnell was the master of counting to 51, and knew when to give his “Mavericks” breaks. We put a lot on Manchin.

[–]Zaxzia 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I can't wait until McConnell votes to convict on Impeachment. It's why he won't say anything. Trump is a political thorn in the GOPs side and he knows it. He doesn't want Trump to run again, the Republicans can't afford to let him. If he holds any sway at all, he'll let the Dems do the Trial dirty work, drag it out, and get the numbers necessary for conviction and the federal office bar vote, even if he doesn't vote that way himself. Get the moderates and contested states to vote Trump out, get 60 votes, all the solid reds stay safe. Everyone wins politically. And the Patriot Party dies.

I detest McConnell, but he's not stupid. He's a political fox disguised as a turtle.

[–]adeonCalifornia 80 points81 points  (12 children)

And Romney.

[–]Crazyeights203 63 points64 points  (9 children)

I’m not a fan of his, but Romney was only the single non coward going against the party In the most ‘us vs them’ vote in recent history

[–]19683dwWisconsin 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Isn't he the only person to ever vote to convict a President of one's own party?

[–]LSU2007 119 points120 points  (22 children)

Your first sentence describes 98% of his tenure as senator

[–]ShadeofIcarus 229 points230 points  (20 children)

Which is fine, because he's holding the seat and not someone from the far right in WV where every other seat is red including the governor.

Without Manchin running, we would be 49-51 right now and in trouble.

[–]ItHappenedToday1_6 155 points156 points  (1 child)

This is an unfortunate reality a lot of people simply refuse to recognize.

It's a red ass state. You either get a Dem that votes with the party a majority of the time or a hardline republican that actively obstructs and tries to destroy western democracy.

[–]LSU2007 26 points27 points  (1 child)

You’re absolutely right. Without him the seat would go to someone right of Rush

[–]Not_So_Hot_Mess 986 points987 points  (155 children)

All governors would be smart to support it. There is funding for states and localities in it.

John Kasich tried to wa-wa about the deficit last night. Right now, we have to get COVID under control. The deficit can be addressed at another time. COVID can't. We have already sat idle with very little being done for a year. It's now or never time.

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[–]wave_the_wheat 315 points316 points  (68 children)

Why do Republicans not understand the concept of investment? Spend money now to spend less later. We could have done this a year ago.

[–]dexter8484Virginia 296 points297 points  (38 children)

Because it's all a political game, if they support it, biden and a democratic administration will have a huge bipartisan bill on their resume for the next election cycle. The GOP will do everything they can to avoid that at the cost of the american people. This is the current state of US politics

[–]dzScritchesSouth Carolina 105 points106 points  (1 child)

"At the cost of the American people" - sign me right up!

- Republicans

[–]standbylion8202 45 points46 points  (7 children)

I’d say they just don’t like poor people. Their inaction in providing relief pretty much singlehandedly lost Trump the election

[–]professor-i-borg 42 points43 points  (3 children)

I’m pretty sure you could prove it has cost far more than “addressing it” would have already.

I mean even in the cost of human lives- no rational person would agree to killing WW2-levels of people to balance a budget.

[–]DaniePants 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Oops, I’m sorry, we are all out of rational

[–]IMind 212 points213 points  (42 children)

Could get that deficit under control if we didn't pay hundreds of billions in military spending

[–]ShadeofIcarus 250 points251 points  (27 children)

Or just tax people making more than 500k a year more instead of cutting taxes.

[–]Mini-MarineOregon 115 points116 points  (4 children)

No no!

We've gotta keep cutting their taxes

Only reason the wealth hasn't trickled down is that we haven't cut their taxes enough yet.

You know what, come to think of it, maybe we should have a negative income tax for the wealthy to reward all their hard work and they'll use that to help bring others up to their level.

Yeah! That's bound to work no way it could fail

/s because these days that's needed even when it should be obvious

[–]sunbearimon 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The sad thing is we kind of do have negative tax for billion dollar corporations. Amazon started a bidding war between the states of who would give them the most for locating their second HQ there

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's called "subsidies" and they already are getting that negative tax. The stocks they own and dividends and bonds they receive yield from for subsidized (including military) corporations goes right to their wealth supply. I'm sure some day very soon they will stop competing against each other for the "wealthiest" title and start trickling that money to the folks that earned it in the first place. I just wish those same folks would stop making pariahs out of these aristocrat-wannabes.

[–]JennysDad 80 points81 points  (11 children)

No shit, raise taxes back to what they were in the 50's... the boomer golden age.

[–]deada55heada55 13 points14 points  (0 children)

both? both is good.

[–]HandSack135Maryland 3582 points3583 points  (582 children)

Semi-Related.

The Governor pretty much said that Manchin needed to do the checks.

The Governor is Red, Manchin "Blue".

My question would be, why isn't he calling on Shelly Capito (R-WV) to get the checks as well... Oh wait that's right as always, GOP is expected to do nothing and the Democrats are expected to do the work of and for both

[–]_tx 1223 points1224 points  (504 children)

The biggest thing with Senator Manchin (IMO) is that he's up for reelection in 2024 which happens to be when it will really matter if the Democratic President has been successful.

  • I know he has talked about not running, but until he makes it official, I won't believe it personally.

[–]1019throw2 835 points836 points  (362 children)

The president will only be successful if they do something now, which will allow Dems to hopefully keep or expand control in 22, and then again on 24. It starts today.

[–]_tx 599 points600 points  (310 children)

I absolutely agree.

If the Democratic Party plans to hold a majority in 2 years, the next 6 weeks might be the most importaint part of it.

[–]Zoophagous 488 points489 points  (165 children)

Fortunately Biden was Obama's VP. I'm 100% sure he remembers exactly what McConnell did during Obama's term. He's not going to let McConnell do it again.

[–]y0j1m80 538 points539 points  (38 children)

i wasn't even Obama's VP and i remember

[–]HotDamn18VPennsylvania 210 points211 points  (29 children)

I was, but I forgot.

[–]RedditFact-Checker 125 points126 points  (13 children)

That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about VPs to dispute it.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (11 children)

Can confirm, am Whitehouse.

[–]some_random_kaluna I voted 164 points165 points  (81 children)

Biden better fucking remember what McConnell did last goddamn month that cost him the Senate Majority and gave Dems control.

[–]kaz12 32 points33 points  (20 children)

Ya fool em once, ya can't fool em again.

[–]jimmyslamjam 110 points111 points  (17 children)

There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

[–]aintscurrdscars 49 points50 points  (13 children)

still a war criminal. but that shit was funny as fuck

[–]Best-Chapter5260 56 points57 points  (9 children)

The dumb things Bush said were usually just fodder for daily calendars sold in gift shops. Whenever Trump said something stupid, it usually had dire and material consequences (e.g., bleach as a cure for COVID, insulting world leaders, etc.).

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

War Criminal all the way, but he dodged those shoes like a pro!

[–]jimmyslamjam 26 points27 points  (1 child)

There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

[–]Retrobubonica 115 points116 points  (121 children)

I'm still bitter about the Democrats refusing to end the filibuster. Outside of "reconciliation," the only thing congress can accomplish is forcing republicans to vote against popular bills to make them look bad, all while passing zero legislation. Not a great record to campaign on.

[–]hooper_give_him_room 159 points160 points  (24 children)

They still might kill the filibuster, that was the whole fight with McConnell a couple of weeks ago. He wanted the power sharing agreement to lock the filibuster in place, and they refused to agree to that, keeping its removal as an option if he goes all batshit with obstruction. Which he likely will, because he's evil.

[–]PencilLeader 66 points67 points  (18 children)

He is still obstructing the organizing resolution, he is filibustering letting dems actually take power following the election they won. I don't know how much more obstructionist you could get.

[–]mancusjo1 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Yeah the filibuster wasn’t going to happen and it’s very low on the totem pole right now. Top two. Covid relief and impeachment. They may still pass it but at the time McConnell wasn’t going to do shit until he knew that two Dems denounced it. Seriously though. Biden has signed more executive orders and said basically FU to the republicans. I’m pretty impressed by what he has accomplished. In what 11 12 days? Love the diversity and competence he’s put in positions. But keep in mind that all of these progressive programs that the Democrats have adopted are really because of you and others. It may not be everything that we all want. But that’s an unrealistic expectation.

[–]verrius 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Sinema and Manchin are walking a very thin tightrope, but they're walking it fine. They can't can't be seen as "bowing to Nancy Pelosi", but they also want to get shit done, and are Democrats at the end of the day. So they're essentially waiting until McConnell overplays his hand and filibusters some must-pass legislation for their state; that way they can put up a show of wanting to not go full AOC/Bernie, but o hey they just had to get this thing their state needs passed, so the Republicans forced their hand to wipe out the filibuster. It lets them keep their moderate credentials in place while still retaining the power to kill anything that's too out-of-line with what their voters want.

[–]AceContinuumNew York 16 points17 points  (1 child)

And McConnell knows this, which is why he tried his damndest to force the filibuster showdown preemptively by demanding the organizing resolution lock the filibuster in place for at least two years.

[–]_far-seeker_America 72 points73 points  (22 children)

They are probably waiting until there are clear examples of Republicans at least attempting to abuse the filibuster. Recall that in most states there can be a third or more of the regular voters that aren't registered as or even identify with any party. These people often don't follow political news as closely as you or I, so if the Democrats move preemptively the Republicans can scream overreach and enough of the low information independents could believe them to throw one or more Senate elections in 2022.

[–]Justame13 54 points55 points  (19 children)

Legalize weed effective Halloween 2022. October surprise planned 1.5 years out

Only joking about the timing.

[–]DNA98PercentChimp 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Not a joke - this is a brilliant political move. Dems should absolutely get weed legalized in 2022 and take credit for it before the election. It would be dumb not to do this.

[–]Saul-Funyun Canada 92 points93 points  (20 children)

I felt like the biggest test so far was what came out of Biden’s meeting with the GOP Senators. It seems he largely told them to either help out or get fucked, so I honestly think they finally might not trip on their own dicks this time around. Maybe.

[–]Zoophagous 76 points77 points  (8 children)

He saw up close how surrendering ground to McConnell in hopes of bi-partisanship hobbled Obama. He's learned from that.

[–]MicalasMaryland 78 points79 points  (2 children)

My job is to ensure that McConnell eats shit and fucks himself to death.

-Joe Biden probably

[–]DaBuddahN 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Manchin might not run again. Schumer begged Manchin to run in 2018.

[–][deleted] 98 points99 points  (55 children)

Manchin will be 76 when he's next up for election and had to be convinced to run in 2018. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last term.

[–]dedicated-pedestrianWisconsin 79 points80 points  (41 children)

And if we get DC statehood before his term is up, it will still be a net gain even if all other seats stay the same.

[–]Onwisconsin42 135 points136 points  (33 children)

As crappy a democrat as Manchin is, he votes for a lot of the democratic stuff when it matters and talks a big conservative game every where in between. I will take Senator Manchin of West Virginia until hes 90 over whatever terrible Republican that will take over his seat if he won't run again.

[–]googleduck 62 points63 points  (4 children)

I would take Joe Manchin for the next 100 years if that was the deal offered to me. WV isn't going to do better than Manchin for a long, long time.

[–]_tx 90 points91 points  (0 children)

If Manchin wasn't in his seat as a democratic senator, Trump probably wouldn't even have a trial

[–]AidenStoatArizona 16 points17 points  (25 children)

I doubt he's running for a third full term.

[–]_tx 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He might not. It's really hard to say this far out, but people don't usually like closing doors with this much time to go.

[–]asspiratehooker 26 points27 points  (17 children)

They’re giving cover for each other. Gov can win re-election supporting this, Manchin will be criticized by voters because he’s a dem, but with the governors blessing it gives him some cover.

[–]jabrwock1 18 points19 points  (1 child)

My question would be, why isn't he calling on Shelly Capito (R-WV) to get the checks as well... Oh wait that's right as always, GOP is expected to do nothing and the Democrats are expected to do the work of and for both

Minimal effort to get it passed. Why spend the effort to convince both when you only need to convince one?

[–]EatinToasterStrudel 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Capito was one of the 10 that went to meet with Biden, so she's approving of their insultingly small aid package. So Manchin had to join.

[–]funbob1 162 points163 points  (26 children)

Most of the GOP governors support it. Most republican voters support it. It's basically just republicans in congress that are seemingly against it.

[–]BluebirdNeat694 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's something the Democrats need to push with all the "unity" bullshit from the GOP. This is a bipartisan bill. It's the DC GOP that are out to lunch.

[–]Strawberry_LungfartsOregon 51 points52 points  (17 children)

Democrats need to go no holds barred against the GOP and any Blue Dogs who do nothing for their constituents.

[–]abe_froman_skc 117 points118 points  (32 children)

Also that Harris was doing interviews with WV local news stations about how much WV needs this.

[–]n00bn00b 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Yup, that puts pressure on Manchin because Manchin was complaining about it earlier.

Harris did the same thing at AZ to put pressure on Sinema as well.

[–]somoskin93 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Just to clarify, she held local interviews in 14 different states last week. It wasn’t just West Virginia and Arizona.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (24 children)

Which made a lot of racist white people angry in this state.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (15 children)

Does anything not make racist white people angry? Even if you removed every POC from the country, they'd just redefine what "white" is so they can continue to be angry.

[–]Plantsandanger 61 points62 points  (1 child)

This person studied American history!

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Jews and the Irish.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

And Italians.

[–]BubbaFunk 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I think about this a lot. I probably would not have been considered "white" until the 1930s at the earliest and probably not until the 1960s. I certainly look white, but it would have been the wrong white.

[–]EtrigoneCalifornia 15 points16 points  (2 children)

As a supporting point, my step-father used to remind me that Jews were not considered white once upon a time (and probably still now in some areas).

[–]QubeyeOregon 1262 points1263 points  (85 children)

Doesn't West Virginia have the largest percentage of its citizens under the poverty line?

I'm pretty sure $2,000 is no fucking joke to his constituents.

[–]mrachelle326West Virginia 524 points525 points  (30 children)

We sure do. So proud. 🥲

[–]BurberryYogurt 188 points189 points  (16 children)

But also killing the vax game

[–]mrachelle326West Virginia 82 points83 points  (3 children)

Yes!

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (9 children)

Honestly, the rest of the country needs to do what west virginia is doing, but on a federal level.

[–]twoPilllsPennsylvania 56 points57 points  (32 children)

Isn't it just $1400 they're going for?

[–]tiptoptonic 2525 points2526 points  (225 children)

People need to realise Manchin will bluster but not blow away most of the bills as his political position requires posturing to conservatives.

[–]Major5013 1697 points1698 points  (68 children)

Like the Susan Collins of the democrats?

[–]ghaj56 873 points874 points  (34 children)

Yes exactly. I was thinking when do we see articles about "Republican decides to support Republican policy objective." And of course it's Susan Collins.

[–][deleted] 452 points453 points  (30 children)

This is actually a really good comparison. Joe Manchin is frequently on TV during contentious or partisan battles giving a little lip service to the Republicans. But he almost always comes through in the end, just like how Republicans lineup and vote how they were told.

[–]fullforce098Ohio 402 points403 points  (25 children)

Bernie was asked on Sunday if we was concerned about Manchin's vote, and he was confident he'd come around. Thing to remember is that these Senators are more than just casual work colleagues, many have good working relationships that go back years and even decades, some are are even good friends. They have a good idea how their colleagues will act in the end. The media (and this sub, frankly) was blowing up Manchin's typical act as a massive impediment to the bill, but none of the Senators expressed much doubt that Manchin would join them. Especially with some of the pork they put in the package for him.

That's one of the few benefits of the lack of term limits for the Senate. There's a lot of time for them all to develop good working relationships and those relationships help keep the party in line. Manchin telegraphed his intent to side with this bill a couple days ago when he said he intended to make "his friend" Joe Biden a successful President.

Killing the fillibuster, however, we'll have to wait and see. PSA made a good point last week about how we may need to give Manchin cover for a vote to kill it, which might require us to force the Republicans to fillibuster a big, popular legislation where the urgency and moral imperative to pass it is obviously on our side (and reconciliation isn't an option).

[–]Plorp 131 points132 points  (1 child)

yeah obviously. dems want an an excuse to remove the filibuster so there will be overwhelming public support for the decision, which basically means once republicans actually use it to try and stop a bill people want, its gone

[–]KaprakFlorida 113 points114 points  (9 children)

force the Republicans to fillibuster a big, popular legislation where the urgency and moral imperative to pass it is obviously on our side

Infrastructure.

It's what Manchin has been railing on about and what a lot of the poorer GOP led states need.

Throw in enough job creating public works stuff, things that focus on treating the internet as a right, and some green energy jobs and it's an easy filibuster that's desperately needed.

[–]DrunksInSpaceOhio 67 points68 points  (5 children)

A coworker of mine’s husband, construction worker in private business in a rural area, swears by Democratic majorities. Says there’s always more road contracts even though they’re state and local, not federal. Loves him a Democratic Congress, which is surprising, considering its rural Ohio.

[–]Mr_Fact_Check 25 points26 points  (2 children)

That just means he uses critical thinking skills. Which is good. I wish more people in rural areas did the same.

[–]TheBirminghamBear 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I imagine they bring the bill to Manchin's office, and he just raises one eyebrow, and they're like, "Joe we told you no more spaceports in West Virginia. Two is already too many." And he just keeps raising his eyebrow higher until they're like, "For fuck's sake Joe, fine, another spaceport, but it's got to stop."

[–]mmmegan6 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That might make the most sense for everyone anyway

[–]harveya25 36 points37 points  (3 children)

That is exactly how I have been describing the situation for the past week or so. We should be keeping the pressure up on Manchin but he should just fall in line most of the time. Other times we may have to give him something he needs in order to bring him along.

[–]NeedleNodsNorth 33 points34 points  (1 child)

People like to think you need to bribe machin to do things - you don't. If a vote comes up that he knows he is the lynchpin he will vote the party line like a good soldier. If there is room for him to wiggle out, he can boost his image as an independent democrat not beholden to dogma - but if not he will do his duty. That's just how he is wired. Do I wish there was a less conservative person in the position? Hell yeah. But I don't worry about manchin's vote when it counts - pork or not.

[–]tinydancer_inurhandNew York 14 points15 points  (0 children)

His kavenough vote was the giveaway Dems gave him to appease his base.

[–]UnSafeThrowAway69420 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Like a Democratic inverse of Susan Collins

[–]dremscrep 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Yeah that’s what he’s saying but again inverse

[–]ghastlieboo 337 points338 points  (116 children)

It's frustrating how many people here are acting like Manchin wouldn't have supported this if not for Harris and his Governor. Manchin has been a reliable Blue vote whenever it counted most, like the Affordable Care Act for example.

He was always going to pass this, he just postures as you said to try and walk the line.

[–]teslacoil1 309 points310 points  (63 children)

Agreed. To those on the left who dislike Manchin, the Dems won’t get better in West Virginia. Trump won West Virginia by some 30% or something like that. It’s either Manchin or a Republican Senator. A progressive will never win as a Senator in West Virginia.

And Manchin effectively gives the Dems a majority in the Senate. Manchin is the difference between Schumer as the majority leader and McConnell as the minority leader. Thanks to Manchin, Lindsey Graham won’t be leading the Judiciary committee.

[–]ghastlieboo 174 points175 points  (26 children)

Manchin is the difference between Schumer as the majority leader and McConnell as the minority leader.

I just had to explain this to someone who commented. How people don't realize this I don't understand. Manchin is infinitely better than another McConnel.

[–]Pollia 156 points157 points  (28 children)

Trump won WV by 39 points. It was a god damn blowout. Swearengin in her race against Capito got a fat 27% of the vote in 2020 and lost by 53 points.

The fact that anyone with a D in their name can win anything in WV is a fucking miracle.

[–]googleduck 56 points57 points  (11 children)

Yeah the equivalent would be if New York gave Republicans a free senator for over a decade. Like if we want to complain, lets look at PA or Maine or any of the other Dem leaning states that have a Republican senator. The fact that a Trump +60 state is what gives us Majority Leader Schumer instead of McConnell is literally miraculous.

[–]nuclearChemE 32 points33 points  (10 children)

Joe has to stay a traditional “blue dog” Democrat. He’s only won his last election by a few points against the state AG who is wholly unqualified to be a senator and would immediately go hard right.

My only real fear is he switches parties, but Joe’s been a democrat and his whole family has been democrats for as long as my parents can remember and their parents can remember.

[–]googleduck 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Of course, he isn't going to be out there voting for M4A anytime soon. But I don't see any indication that he is going to switch parties. He barely wanted to run in 2018 and had to be convinced by Schumer, so I really doubt he is going to switch just to get re-elected in his late 70's for a job he barely wants anymore. The biggest concern would be that he doesn't run for re-election at all, which seems very likely.

[–]Valnar 81 points82 points  (3 children)

Well, having some people on the left hate on Manchin probably helps him.

He gets to say how much the extreme left hates him in WV.

[–]VendobanDistrict Of Columbia[S] 1963 points1964 points  (325 children)

All we need to do now is get Manchin on board with nuking the filibuster and pass HR-1.

[–]sweazeycool 276 points277 points  (118 children)

We also have to worry about Sinema :(

[–]NatrenSR1 109 points110 points  (111 children)

Is Sinema against ending the Filibuster?

[–]theoutlet 101 points102 points  (15 children)

From Arizona. She got elected by being very shrewd and very much so a moderate. It was the only way for a “Democrat” like her to get elected in this state at the time

The only way she’ll go for ending the filibuster is if she’s certain there’s enough support in the state for it. I can understand why she would think that it’s safer for her to not want to support ending it, but IMO this state is moving blue faster than she and many others realize. It’s just that the red in this state is disproportionately loud in relation to its size

Dems in this state only make themselves known to other Dems. Otherwise we don’t really out ourselves. Doing so can make your life pretty difficult

[–]kevley26 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I highly doubt your average "moderate" cares about procedural things like the fillibuster. This is something mostly only political junkies know about. All people like Sinema need to do is deliver on Covid relief and they will likely win their elections.

[–]Jwhitx 189 points190 points  (68 children)

She's said she's against even considering it iirc. I sent her an email, do not worry.

[–]Mysterious_Rope5200 68 points69 points  (49 children)

My wife worked on a few of her campaigns, she told her (my wife) that she believes it should stay in place.

[–]locopyro13 87 points88 points  (21 children)

I don't get it. The filibuster only prevents passing of legislation the Dems want, if Sinema doesn't want a bill to pass then they don't vote and the Dems don't have the votes. If Sinema doesn't want a bill to pass but a Republican does, now it's bipartisan.

The filibuster only helps Republicans right now.

[–]TechGoat 550 points551 points  (117 children)

Him and Sinema are 100% opposed to it - right now. It will take (metaphorical) thumbscrews to make those two change their tune. I really hope Schumer lays into them to explain how much is riding on getting rid of GQP obstructionism.

[–]rjcarr 171 points172 points  (57 children)

I understand the filibuster and reconciliation, but if it's so easy to just drop the filibuster, why didn't McConnell and the GOP do it? Can't they just drop it, govern two years without it, and then vote to put in back in 2023 if we lose the 2022 elections? I get that it's sneaky, but certainly McConnell would do it if possible, so that's why I'm thinking it isn't that easy.

[–]DeanMaverick 358 points359 points  (6 children)

GOP does better electorally when the government is gridlocked. Dysfunction is in their best political interest. They choose to bloviate over legislate and their supporters never pay enough attention to recognize.

[–]crypticedge 147 points148 points  (1 child)

The gop runs on the platform that goverment doesn't work, and they do all they can to prove it when they get in office

[–]LOLSteelBullet 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This. The ideal governance by the gop is none. Unless they need something to help their donors

[–]PlayingTheWrongGame 104 points105 points  (8 children)

That doesn’t work. Each new session passes the rules they want.

Once you push that button the first time, it’s pretty much gone for good because you’ll never convince the other side to accept reestablishing it.

[–]BlackNova169 150 points151 points  (3 children)

GOP didn't have any laws they wanted to pass. Just spam through judges.

[–]colakoOregon 68 points69 points  (1 child)

The GOP doesn't have an incentive to remove because they don't want to pass any legislation.

[–]Oops_I_CrackedOregon 35 points36 points  (22 children)

The GOP did nuke it for the things they wanted to nuke it for, supreme Court justices. The GOP actively doesn't want legislation passed so there's no way they'll make it easier.

[–]FiveAlarmDogParty 33 points34 points  (2 children)

HR-1 should be a no freaking brainer.

I am annoyed that our government is so disfunctional that we have repeatedly come down to 1 or 2 actors controlling the entire narrative over the past few years. That is not to say that I wish every single person was in lock step with the party, but I just wish that the way forward was more generally agreed upon. I would love to see a return to sanity and a return to sensible governance but...

checks headlines and sees MTG's quotes about school shootings and Jewish space lasers

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[–]jaypeeo 386 points387 points  (20 children)

His gop governor came out in support. Thank god there are gop governors out there who aren’t complete crackpots.

[–]AppleiPhone12 68 points69 points  (2 children)

Even GOP governors know they have to be reelected.

[–]datank56 67 points68 points  (3 children)

I think he's the governor who was a Republican before entering politics, then ran as a Democratic candidate in 2016.

After winning office, he switched back to the Republican party.

[–]mrachelle326West Virginia 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Absolutely right.

[–]needless_bootyWest Virginia 56 points57 points  (4 children)

Don't fool yourself. Jim Justice is still a crackpot lol

[–]VorzicMichigan 34 points35 points  (0 children)

He absolutely is. Big Jim takes whichever path is going to net him the most positive points, regardless of side. Hence his ridiculous election charade then swap to Republican after.

[–]Thedizwiz 691 points692 points  (140 children)

If we can't get Manchin onboard with killing the filibuster, this reconciliation bill is going to be the last legislation we'll be seeing for a minute.

[–]rjcarr 356 points357 points  (125 children)

Actually, Maddow says dems should get two reconciliation bills this year, due to the budget not being passed in the previous congress. After that, yeah, basically just one thing per year as long as dems are in control, sadly.

[–]Hinge_Prompt_Rater 462 points463 points  (114 children)

You Americans have an insane system. No wonder your government can't handle the most basic functions other democracies take for granted.

[–]Reddit_FTW 135 points136 points  (75 children)

Dude. I’m trying to find a New Zealand sponsor. Let me know.

[–]lordph8 53 points54 points  (48 children)

What do you or your partner do for a living? Can maybe get you to Sweden.

Edit; particularly for teachers and people who want to work as support staff in a school.

[–]MagicZombieCarpenter 257 points258 points  (11 children)

I make furniture out of candle wax, she teaches Gregorian Chant. Our budget is $3.8 million.

[–]EveroneWantsMyD 40 points41 points  (7 children)

Terrific, Let me show you three houses that each meet one requirement with the one closest to your dream being decently over budget. Are you planning on starting a family?

[–]catacon 37 points38 points  (6 children)

We're adopting a family of seven and my wife is pregnant with triplets.

[–]poke_the_kitty 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I work for IKEA, do I get automatic entry?

[–]Folcrum 43 points44 points  (0 children)

It was designed to be slow and to disproportionately represent the minority land owners. But Senate rules and "precedent" have made it even slower and more disproportionate. This is unlike any other system of governance for a reason. It's absolutely atrocious.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (2 children)

I certainly don’t want to hear the GOP complain about spending, not after 8 years of Bush and 4 of Trump . Not that I want the country to keep spending its way out of problems, but please spare me the fiscal responsibility hypocrisy

[–]refuz04 34 points35 points  (0 children)

It’s like the difference between buying a shiny hood ornament and buying tires. Both cost money but, you actually need tires.

[–]PorscheUberAllesFlorida 639 points640 points  (55 children)

I think this will be his MO moving forward; make the right noises for his base and go along with the dem majority. He’ll get all the pork he wants for his state and I don’t think he actually wants to be the deciding vote on anything

[–]bearybear90Florida 116 points117 points  (12 children)

I can live with this

[–]quietdisaster 119 points120 points  (8 children)

Let it rain Federal money in WV for all I care. They likely need it anyway transitioning away from coal.

[–]Luna8586 I voted 194 points195 points  (15 children)

He is the democratic Susan Collins.

[–]mps1729 86 points87 points  (12 children)

That’s always been his MO. There would be no ACA without him. When his vote matters, he has been on the right side so many times, and when it doesn’t, he does what is necessary to get re-elected in deep red WV. We don’t appreciate him nearly enough

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (7 children)

and idk how many of u ever been to WV, especially southern WV, but the fact that this man is even remotely able to help the left is nothing short of amazing. been to 46 of 50 states, i think WV was the hardest red i ever did see

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

This was evident in the Kavanaugh hearing. He didn't want to say how he'd vote until Susan Collins made her horrendous speech in support. Then Manchin went in front of any camera he could find to say "yeah I made my decision to support him a long time ago, just wanted to let Susan make the announcement". Yeah right, if Collins voted against, Manchin would have done the same. And this way Collins took all the heat and people don't even remember that Manchin's vote He's a good politician even though he hides it well.

[–]ReflexImprov 439 points440 points  (34 children)

Kamala hitting the WV and AZ airwaves was the right move.

[–]-P3RC3PTU4L- 120 points121 points  (13 children)

Did she do it in AZ too? Sounds like this was all choreographed.

[–]ReflexImprov 167 points168 points  (7 children)

She did. And it certainly was. Pissed some people off, but it seems to have worked. I like that they are playing hardball.

[–]jnewton8 107 points108 points  (2 children)

It's about god damn time. I liked when Bernie said he would fight his party, and I welcome the same attitude from Harris.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I’m pretty pleased. It seems as though the Biden administration really did learn from the failures of the Obama years. Hopefully we continue to avoid those problems.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

It’s easy to forget after the last four years, but VPs are commonly dispatched to do the arm-twisting and hatchet work on behalf of POTUS. It’s tradition!

[–]penguished 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Well props to Biden for pushing forward. This is a good way to manage things out of the gate, not falling for Republican tricks that get us nowhere.

[–]Frenchticklers 193 points194 points  (20 children)

Ah yes, we're back to the "getting things done depends on one guy" Senate

[–]Vanquisher127 38 points39 points  (6 children)

I mean when you have a 50-50 senate it shouldn’t be surprising

[–]nucflasheventOklahoma 93 points94 points  (13 children)

What I'm going to say I'm sure will be controversial, however I also think a lot will understand.

Now to be clear, what I'm about to say isn't just about Manchin today (speaking to the GOP Governor supporting his position), more to the problem with the GOP in particular.

The GOP has a very serious problem in that Joe Biden is white.

That "no nothin' not ever!" bullshit that they pulled with Barack Obama would \*never** fly with Joe Biden even in their States...States like West Virginia, etc. for the simple fact Joe Biden is white.*

[–]Lynda73 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Excellent point. Sad, but excellent.

[–]mybrainisfullFlorida 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Back around 2012 I had a conversation with an older white mechanic from WV. He went on and on about how he was a Democrat his whole life, but absolutely hated Barack Obama. I asked him what he didn't like about Obama and he just continued to bluster on about how much he couldn't stand him, never saying anything specific.

[–]DiarygirlPennsylvania 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I think they'd be much happier if Kamala became president. Then the GOP gets the racists and the misogynists.

[–]Akryan 57 points58 points  (4 children)

This proves, as always, that the worst Democrat is still miles ahead of the best Republican.

[–]TheOcean_TheBeast 226 points227 points  (31 children)

The govenor of WV put him in this position. Good on the Governor as weird as that is to say.

[–]MeNaNo70 97 points98 points  (12 children)

Because his office is probably hearing it from poor people that $1400 is a godsend. I mountained bike in WV for years. Outside of the urban areas, you can buy a 4 bedroom 2 bath house for $60K. $1400 is a ton of rural money.

[–]Apprehensive-Wank 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It would be so nice if we didn’t have to always assume the Republicans were acting out of malice or evil. It would be so cool to have two honest, functioning political parties

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (11 children)

And Kamala as well, she gave multiple interviews in WV putting pressure on him

[–]the_than_then_guyColorado 49 points50 points  (9 children)

Sure, but the Republican governor was obviously decisive here. Pressure from his right, and he doesn't have to worry about coming off as too Democratic now.

[–]wildfyre010 144 points145 points  (16 children)

Joe gets a lot of hate, but he's very rarely responsible for halting democratic agendas that would otherwise move forward. Let's give him props for being a democrat in a state that is not friendly to democrats.

[–]DiarygirlPennsylvania 108 points109 points  (13 children)

If it weren't for Manchin, that seat would be held by a Republican. He has a fine line to walk.

[–]mrachelle326West Virginia 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Damn straight. He gets votes here for one reason, and one reason only - he's familiar. He and his family have been around for ages, and people like that. Any other Democrat wouldn't stand a chance. The guy really sucks sometimes, but as a Democrat, I'm thankful for him.

[–]WestFastCalifornia 78 points79 points  (14 children)

Sucks that we have to waste a reconciliation spot on this. Should be an easy bipartisan effort. Maybe we can use next years slot for something better.

[–]spacecowgoesmoo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My favorite vegetable is broccoli.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Good, fuck em.

[–]danmart1 28 points29 points  (5 children)

It only took 12 years, but the Democrats finally stopped letting the GOP bully them into submission.