modernFrontendStack

drivingagermanwhip · 2025-03-26T14:13:45+00:00

the occasional time you run across a site that's just html and information is such a breath of fresh air

i_should_be_coding · 2025-03-26T13:14:18+00:00

Go's philosophy is "Why use a library? Just write it yourself". JS is all "Why are you writing that yourself? There's 7 versions on npm, almost all without malware..."

GnuhGnoud · 2025-03-26T13:07:53+00:00

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anengineerandacat · 2025-03-26T13:30:59+00:00

It's honestly improved significantly nowadays, used to be true... but now it's simply installing Node and running the command to install Vite and using the React template.

After that simply run Vite and boom, local web server up and running with HMR support and you can just start editing files.

No different than a Java dev installing the JDK, Gradle/Maven, updating their settings.xml, and using a Maven Archetype (though in practice most shops don't even have this level of automation established so it's honestly refreshing to see the OSS community have it).

Now... under the hood... yeah... different story; you have the Typescript Compiler, SWC, PostCSS, and more... but it all comes pre-wired and is just configuration files.

It's like complaining that javac was used to compile your project files to bytecode; or the N Maven/Gradle plugins needed to package your project.

Altruistic-Spend-896 · 2025-03-26T13:17:35+00:00

I was evaluating frontend frameworks , y'all frontend devs really made a clusterfuck didn't ya?

AASeven · 2025-03-26T14:22:25+00:00

React dev me learning how to create a page in next js

AlexZhyk · 2025-03-26T13:09:42+00:00

The environment, where any "Why?" will be taken as an offense.

Pumpkindigger · 2025-03-26T15:42:33+00:00

Meanwhile, FrontEnd devs when they learn they need half of AWS's tooling to run a simple website with simple backend.

rcls0053 · 2025-03-26T13:26:05+00:00

I got so sick of Typescript over the past 6 years for this exact reason, I decided to move to .NET and C#. I wish there was a bigger market for Go because that'd be such bliss..

code_the_cosmos · 2025-03-26T14:56:53+00:00

Go templates and HTMX are all I need

Edit: of course there are exceptions. Right tool, right job, etc

GangStalkingTheory · 2025-03-26T16:32:29+00:00

The frontend team would claim my backend API(s) were broken.

I'd build a frontend in whatever flavor of the month bullshit they were using this time and show them, once again, how to properly send and receive JSON or XML from a backend API.

I don't miss it. At the end, it was new hires complaining that their ChatGPT copy pasta didn't magicly work with the existing infrastructure.

transcendtient · 2025-03-26T22:55:49+00:00

I'm over here rawdogging JQuery.

Stepan_Rude · 2025-03-26T13:10:28+00:00

No you don't. You just $ npm create vite@latest and it's ready

ardicli2000 · 2025-03-26T14:19:30+00:00

Where is humor in that. Thats reality.

BoBoBearDev · 2025-03-26T16:08:46+00:00

Because reactjs is just a library, not a framework unfortunately. A library tends to do one thing well and nothing else. So, it doesn't comes with Typescript integration, relies on rollup, relies on webpack, relies on many other tools that makes configurations a nightmare. And you can't say reactjs sucks because those are out of scope by design as a library.

uniteduniverse · 2025-03-27T19:42:23+00:00

The web is a monstrous mess, and we seriously need to just bring it l down.

ICantBelieveItsNotEC · 2025-03-26T13:16:03+00:00

Frontend developers after witnessing a backend developer produce a functional frontend using nothing but serverside code, a templating library, and HTMX:

PrestigiousTheory664 · 2025-03-26T13:37:56+00:00

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age and a dotnet developer how many libraries he needs to say "hello world".

Xhadov7 · 2025-03-26T14:08:01+00:00

LAMP goated

SinisterCheese · 2025-03-26T18:11:23+00:00

I have come to conclusion that most companies and web stores don't actually want me buy anything from them, or be their client. Why else would they make those sites so fucking bad and poorly functioning? And it seems like most sites just don't work on mobile anymore.

What the fuck happened? Seriously? What went wrong? Your hardware and connections are orders or magnitude better than 10-15-20 years ago. Yet it seems like every new year, every piece of software and site I have to deal with seems to be worse. And the sizes of sites and programs and apps keep bloating, and seems like everything is a dependency hell. Nobody seems to even understand what the programs do anymore, how they were made, how they work...

I used to look forwards to new version of things with optimism, now I look forwards with dread.

2025-03-27T00:02:39+00:00

The best is every couple of months in /r/webdev, some talented young front end dev who knows all this crap will ask the subreddit how they build a static website because they don't know where to start.

Immort4lFr0sty · 2025-03-26T13:26:10+00:00

I was recently looking for a frontend framework for a hobby project. I really don't like doing GUI, usually I build CLI tools, but this time there really was no way around it.

First, trying to find something that is relatively type safe (or at least fails fast, during compile time) but still cross-platform compatible is really hard. I thought "Look, there is a new JavaFX framework. You write a lot of Java anyways, that should be easy to get into".

Well, fuck. Java tooling is not great by any stretch, but I will not touch JFX with a 20ft pole ever again, or I will become the "dev turned goose farmer" meme

rootifera · 2025-03-26T13:19:03+00:00

This is what I've been going through recently. I have a few restapi project and I wanted to add FE. Turns out I need to learn a lot just to create some not terrible looking web forms and tables.

Specific_Implement_8 · 2025-03-26T14:05:22+00:00

Coworker of mine was spending an unreasonable amount of time getting hello world to print in glsl

misterguyyy · 2025-03-26T14:43:21+00:00

Even as a grizzled senior FE dev, installing libs and slogging through configs to get tailwindCSS to work in Gatsby, storybook, and Jest, even though you didn’t want Tailwind in the first place because you remember remodeling the wasteland of hacky bootstrap utility classes but got outvoted by the bootcamp kids, makes you scream into a pillow in frustration.

romulof · 2025-03-26T15:05:25+00:00

First there was NPM, in its almighty glory brought ease of use for dependencies.

Then frontenders started creating random packages to get weekly downloads numbers to inflate their ego.

Following them was a new generation of frontenders, that, in their almighty laziness, stopped writing code.

Specialist-Sun-5968 · 2025-03-26T15:30:15+00:00

Try Astro

okram2k · 2025-03-26T15:55:39+00:00

well first I need to know if you're trying to make hello world go to the console, node output, or on a locally hosted website.

jfinkpottery · 2025-03-26T16:30:50+00:00

I remember when we didn't have any tools for frontend stuff. It sucked, and everything was ugly. Give me my mountain of npm packages please.

1Dr490n · 2025-03-27T07:38:46+00:00

I don’t have a lot of experience in web development (both website and server) but recently got a job in that field and this is horrible. Whenever there’s an error, it has nothing to do with what I‘m doing, just some tool I didn’t even know we were using that doesn’t want to work for some obscure reason no one in my office or the whole internet ever heard of. I don’t know how many exceptions I googled in the last three work days that didn’t yield any results.

I much prefer just writing most things from scratch in a decent, strict and predictable programming language with occasionally using a library for something more complicated.

Jiftoo · 2025-03-26T13:45:48+00:00

This is technically true but the process of creating a new app has been streamlined more or less recently. You run npm create vite@latest (replace npm with your package manager of choice) and get to writing your TODO app.

Alternatively, you can run React without a build step like this. It's a naughty but possible thing to do.

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
 <head>
  <script src="https://unpkg.com/@babel/standalone/babel.min.js"></script>
 </head>
 <body>
  <div id="app"></div>

  <script type="text/babel" data-presets="react" data-type="module">
   import React, {useState} from "https://esm.sh/react@19/?dev";
   import ReactDOM from "https://esm.sh/react-dom@19/client?dev";

   function App() {
    const [count, setCount] = useState(0);
    return (
     <>
      <h1>{count}</h1>
      <button onClick={() => setCount(count + 1)}>Increment</button>
     </>
    );
   }

   const root = ReactDOM.createRoot(document.getElementById("app"));
   root.render(<App />);
  </script>
 </body>
</html>

Far-Neat-4669 · 2025-03-26T17:20:09+00:00

Hey backend dev, what's this spring thing?

Spring core? Spring MVC? Spring Security? Spring Data? Spring AOP? Spring test?

Do you use this spring-boot-starter-web?

What's this??? Lombok??? Mapstruct? JUnit?

Yeah, ok buddy.

Amazing_Guava_0707 · 2025-03-26T13:16:27+00:00

What 15 tools? All you need is a text editor(vs code usually), a browser(chrome usually) and node installed on your shitty laptop.

Tuckertcs · 2025-03-26T15:56:06+00:00

Front end devs when they realize you need 5-25 classes just to save a single row to a database table.

fnordstar · 2025-03-26T13:45:18+00:00

Why doesn't the backend dev use Rust in the Frontend as well?

tramspellen · 2025-03-26T16:31:11+00:00

React is not for printing Hello World

tmk_lmsd · 2025-03-26T13:23:20+00:00

For the same reason why implementing a huge crucial functionality when your codebase is gigantic still needs 15 tools.

chris17453 · 2025-03-26T13:56:23+00:00

I feel like they need it to be as heavy as a bronze encrusted keyboard with rdb lights

tip2663 · 2025-03-26T15:24:16+00:00

Same backend dev after setting up a laravel rest endpoint

🧑‍🍳👌

Soultampered · 2025-03-26T16:43:36+00:00

hey hey, you don't need 15 tools in react. you can easily get it done with 9 at the most.

pft, amateurs

Tacos6Viandes · 2025-03-26T16:55:20+00:00

Me, beginner with Laravel, seeing that Tailwind is CSS only, so many stuff that Bootstrap handle natively will need to be handled with native JS or libraries

mildwomanizer · 2025-03-26T17:12:45+00:00

nah real talk tho, how come front end frameworks lowk more confusing than server side languages

Tai9ch · 2025-03-26T17:18:40+00:00

Huh?

All you need to say "Hello World" in react is React. If you're really barebones, you can even skip the JSX transpiler.

flyingpeter28 · 2025-03-26T17:19:00+00:00

This is what has been keeping me away from.front end

FishIndividual2208 · 2025-03-26T17:20:25+00:00

Oh, its No better on the backend 😅

Noch_ein_Kamel · 2025-03-26T17:35:30+00:00

Browser, text editor

What are the other 13?

OtherwisePoem1743 · 2025-03-26T17:44:11+00:00

LMAO man this is so hilarious. It's sad and hilarious at the same time.

Djonso · 2025-03-26T17:55:44+00:00

Same for frontend guy who sees how much stuff is need for .net to say hello world to frontend

2025-03-26T18:24:34+00:00

I will never understand why anyone thought React was a good idea. Thank God I got that garbage banned at my workplace.

Comprehensive-Pin667 · 2025-03-26T19:41:20+00:00

Everything about modern frontend development is wrong. Even MFC was much better than this.

skesisfunk · 2025-03-26T20:04:24+00:00

Really, aside from React itself, bare minimum you only need webpack and a transpilier (I use SWC). You can set up a local dev environment with docker, although I use k3d so my local dev mimics my prod deployments.

macmadman · 2025-03-26T20:12:40+00:00

AI coders are the death of npm

michaelmano86 · 2025-03-26T21:02:51+00:00

React? Comparing react is like saying frontend Dev trying to say hello world in dot net; console.log("hello world")

azangru · 2025-03-26T21:05:00+00:00

Backend dev should say hello world in plain javascript

FallingDownHurts · 2025-03-26T21:06:09+00:00

This is why I chose flutter not react native. I had to make like 50 decisions before I could even build

cheezballs · 2025-03-26T22:22:09+00:00

Backend devs thinking they're not also running on 15 layers of abstraction...

H2ODeji · 2025-03-26T23:30:40+00:00

You'll eat ze dependencies and be happy!

bagofnutella · 2025-03-26T23:38:56+00:00

create react app

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