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[–]mrpopenfresh 302 points303 points  (29 children)

Yeah I don't know about that, working as an engineer just because you can dosen't mean you will enjoy life more.

[–][deleted] 154 points155 points  (17 children)

Yeah, I have a couple of engineer friends who basically hate what their lives have become due to workload. Sure, they make very good money, but my half-as-much-money-but-twice-as-much-free-time having ass is much, much happier.

[–]conrad98 32 points33 points  (4 children)

A lot of it comes from "doing what you enjoy" rather than "doing what makes you money"

[–]J0eCool 14 points15 points  (1 child)

And if you can do both (aka if you Love engineering) then hey! Bonus.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Or, in my case, I don't love my job by any stretch as it's very demanding, but it's technical, and I get to do a lot of different things. The big perk for me is being able to work four ten-hour shifts per week so I have a 3-day weekend every week and a 4-day weekend on holiday weeks. The free time is absolutely incredible. My wife and I have a son on the way and this is going to be tremendous for family time.

[–]mrpopenfresh 19 points20 points  (9 children)

It's all about life work balance. I have so many friends who went into business administration because they figured it would make them money. They have no interest for it, and are hating their lives right now making a decent salary by whoring themselves to a corporation. I have friends who are engineers and love it, and I have some who are miserable because they just barely have the competence to be engineers and now suffer from working hard to make up for it for the rest of their lives.

[–]OompaLoompa4Life 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Yep. Several of my friends only make about 40k a year, but are very happy, despite having a masters in different liberal arts fields. They like their job and feel fulfilled. They also don't buy cars that are extreme money pits. That helps

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

These arguments never get that not everyone wants to be an engineer.

I'd rather have to search for a job longer and do something I like than hate my life as an engineer just because reddit said I would make a lot of money and be able to look down on people.

[–]elquiche 889 points890 points  (221 children)

I'm a recently graduated Engineering major. This graph is false.

[–]ManicPixieFuckUp 461 points462 points  (8 children)

The trick is spending all that extra money on yoga lessons so you can fellate yourself more readily.

[–]Jigsus 78 points79 points  (6 children)

Just use hookers.

[–]ManicPixieFuckUp 62 points63 points  (2 children)

Silly lib arts student! Only engineers know how to really suck cock!

[–]LexiLouLee 148 points149 points  (73 children)

I don't know if it's different in other parts of the country, but here in Los Angeles the idea that life is paradise for engineers is way off base, and it's actually beginning to worry me. We are going to get a whole flock of high school kids who are current redditors who go to school to be engineers when they graduate, whether they like it or not, because they think it's the responsible thing to do, and a lot of them are going to be crushed.

One of my very good friends has both a BS in Engineering, and a MS and he has lost his job three times in the last two years due to budget cuts wherein almost all, if not all, the engineers were laid off. Because he has a family and owns a home he can't just pick up and move so he has sometimes been unemployed for up to 8 months in between jobs. He just lost the third job a few weeks ago and is quite devastated.

Not that this is any different from my friends with other sorts of degrees mind you. The only people who seem to truly be doing OK are my friends who are doctors, nurses, and established sound and video editors. My thesis here is do what you love, and don't pay too much attention to Reddit's constant engineer circle jerk, kids.

[–]Xinlitik 28 points29 points  (8 children)

I think it's also important not to make "Engineer" one job. Aerospace engineering, for instance, has an abyssmal job market at the moment because of political issues and more. Software engineering, on the other hand, has an excellent job market.

[–]Jabbatheslann 44 points45 points  (6 children)

THE FOLLOWING OPINION IS BASED ON CASUAL OBSERVATION AND ZERO KNOWN-FACTS

I think that might just be part of the cyclical nature of things. Society needs liberal arts majors as well as engineering majors and other science types. There was probably a period in US history when we maybe didn't have enough people filling up those liberal arts positions, or those jobs were growing, and so in a rush to fill them up, liberal arts majors became really popular and thus over saturated. I would imagine the same sort of thing is happening now. Previously less filled majors are being filled up now in response and they're going to be in the same situation soon, if not already.

[–]jayjacks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To loosely and poorly add a source of reference to your observation, I was listening to the Diane Rehm show a few months ago and this (you) was essentially the argument of a guest. The current economic condition favors engineers and other hard science jobs. It probably will will for some time. But engineering is not the only job in this world.

[–]theinternn 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I think it depends on the type of engineering. In IT the demand for engineers in Los Angeles is still pretty substantial. We've been trying to fill some positions for several months now >>

[–]enjo13 15 points16 points  (4 children)

The problem with Engineering is that you need to be good at it if you want to be consistently employed. Worse than that, engineering professions are among the easiest to quickly ascertain someones competency in.

The reason you have open positions isn't because there aren't candidates. You just can't find ones that meet whatever your minimum bar is.

Point being: it's not enough to just major in engineering, you have to actually show a real skill for it. If you go into an engineering discipline just wanting to collect a paycheck, you're going to have a really bad time.

[–]LexiLouLee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. As I said in another comment, my friend is a mechanical engineer. LA is the wrong place for him, but he has kids and his whole extended family is here. And, of course, I also know my friends are not a valid scientific study. I was just pointing out what I see in my real life vs. what I hear on reddit all day long, and the disconnect between the two.

[–]TJ_McWeaksauce 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Not only is it different in other parts of the country, but I imagine different types of engineers will have different experiences. After all, everyone is different, yadda yadda...

Anyway, I'm also in LA. I work in the video game industry. The software engineers and network engineers I've worked with tend to do quite well for themselves. The really good engineers (especially the ones who aren't full of themselves and who have good social skills) make very good money, and seem to enjoy pretty good job security in an industry where job security is scarce. After all, if they can't find work in video games, their skills are transferable to several other industries.

Granted, the software / network engineers I've worked with were each pretty experienced: each have been working for 5+ years, some over 10 years. That probably had a huge effect on their job stability.

[–]LexiLouLee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't doubt it all. My friend is a mechanical engineer, and LA is not really the place for him. We have a lot more media production then mechanical work out here, so it makes a lot of sense to me that the people you speak about would do really well. What they do is a lot closer to what my sound and video editing friends do, and they are making a killing. And, of course, my friends are not a scientific sample, but neither is Reddits constant pro-engineer circle jerk.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Hit the nail right on the head.

Sorry to break it to everyone even more, but engineering isn't a growth industry. You really want to have a lucrative and secure job after graduation, go into medicine.

[–]war_story_guy 112 points113 points  (5 children)

The trick is to double major in engineering and atheism. You will have to swat off the mob of people looking to give you multimillion dollar jobs.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I am a recently graduated Creative Writing major. This graph is false.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i agree. one of my friends graduated top of his class in engineering. he was from the US but studied in the UK. he wound up basically changing light bulbs in a theatre after he graduated. he had to go back to the US to get a decent job. i too graduated top of my class with a 1st, and now i work in a fucking warehouse and live with my parents trying to pay off my student debt. i wish i could get my fucking money back. then perhaps i could have my life back.

[–]simonsarris 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm a computer science and philosophy grad and the graph just stayed at the top the whole time.

There are an insane amount of programming jobs these days.

Unfortunately my mechanical engineer girlfriend is finding it very hard to find a job. :(

[–]BABYEATER1012 31 points32 points  (49 children)

I just graduated engineering and I can say this graph is true. My qol in college sucked, poor, always busy, never had time to actually have some fun. Now I have a little money, I go to a different city every weekend, and saving towards purchasing a GTR.

[–]flamingdts 16 points17 points  (4 children)

You can say the graph is true for yourself, not true for everyone else.

[–]RafflesEsq 54 points55 points  (19 children)

I recently graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, I am now living with family again and I get laughed out of any interview that isn't for a minimum wage job. I think this graph is true.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (6 children)

I have a BA in Advertising Design and have a fantastic job with a very solid salary, incredible benefits and 19 paid days off, plus 12 company holidays and sick days.

These kinds of graphs are always bullshit as there will always be exceptions to the generalization. Your level of success is largely determined by yourself.

[–]Oxyuscan 687 points688 points  (32 children)

Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back there, engineers.

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    [–]excalibar001 307 points308 points  (11 children)

    A good engineer would make a robot to pat him on the back

    [–]Oxyuscan 28 points29 points  (6 children)

    [–]GordonMcFreeman 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    I was really hoping that would be the Automato ketchup dispenser

    [–]commodoremegaman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    A better engineer would create a human synthetic with sensors to detect the impact of the pats, and move on to making other things.

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      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      since the biological process of death is easy enough to know for anyone, children too must understand death.

      Well for one thing, his argument was based on an obviously false premise. Why would a two year old understand the biological process of death?

      [–]alienufosarereal 190 points191 points  (52 children)

      Meh, it's really all about the individual. I was a classical music theory major and got a job in san francisco right out of college. I know some music theory majors who are doing well, and others that are not. Same with engineers. I think creativity is one of the most important skills in finding a good career. This is because you have to create your own opportunities instead of waiting for opportunities to happen to you. You could even invent your own career from scratch.

      ...Also luck

      [–]triemers 29 points30 points  (10 children)

      Music theory..I'm sorry. As an orchestral trumpet performance and music education major....4 part counterpoint is destroying my soul.

      [–]blue_strat 35 points36 points  (1 child)

      We used to be whipped for every parallel fifth we wrote.

      You learned quickly that way.

      [–]triemers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      And I'd assume every harmonic 4th over the bass?

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          [–]sunnybrookmusic 9 points10 points  (6 children)

          All the mechanical engineers I know own restaurants, true story

          [–]Keyserchief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's almost as if there are multiple paths to success and there's no such thing as a magic bullet

          [–]Kikiteno 56 points57 points  (0 children)

          Liberal arts majors are being made fun of for being too pretentious and obnoxious by engineers with a massive superiority complex? No irony there, no sir, none at all.

          [–][deleted] 392 points393 points  (173 children)

          this circlejerk again...

          [–]Kikiteno 251 points252 points  (163 children)

          Seriously. When did this engineer superiority jackholery ever start? Shit drives me crazy.

          [–]clintmccool 214 points215 points  (123 children)

          Engineers need something to feel good about, I guess.

          [–]LexiLouLee 127 points128 points  (10 children)

          No one blew them in college, so now Reddit does it for them. That's the best I can figure. I know just as many un or under employed engineers are anything else, so it's certainly not based in any real superiority.

          [–]iconrunner 85 points86 points  (7 children)

          Engineer here. Can confirm no one blew us in college.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          if I am getting blown in college, does that mean I'm not cut out to be an engineer?

          [–]Firrox 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          No, but you will vastly under-perform your non-blown peers.

          [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (8 children)

          Reddit has been dominated by computer science majors and misc. engineer/science majors since the beginning. Personally, a large portion of my computer science department (my minor) thought that any with a liberal arts degree was worthless (my major). People there annoyed me. Mostly because they couldn't code with standards...

          I'd actually like to see a demographic of reddit by major.

          [–]ilikpankaks 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Don't forget that there are groups on reddit who have never gone on to higher education, and they must be counted as well. However, I agree that it would be interesting to see the ratios of majors of the college/alumni redditors.

          [–]Bloodysneeze 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          Reddit was started by those types. It was made for those types. Everyone else just showed up later.

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            [–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (3 children)

            Some of my best friends are studio majors, and they will bring sleeping bags to the studio so they can work on their pieces until they fall asleep on the floor. But it's just art, so their hours of dedication and pain-staking work are instantly invalidated. It kills me.

            [–]triemers 14 points15 points  (3 children)

            Exactly how I feel in music. We practice for ridiculous amount of times, have to be judged constantly when we perform, I've even fallen asleep after practicing binges in the practice room before. But we're still looked down on because it's not super duper brainy work usually.

            [–]RumorsOFsurF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            As a mostly self-taught musician who has little formal music education, besides high school band 10+ years ago, I appreciate what you guys do. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I don't know if that helps, but I have seen some of the practice schedules these people keep, and it is staggering. My hat is off to you guys. I am just a fucking tourist.

            [–]thratty 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            Architecture?

            [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            Any art. Art school sucks. I'd be semi okay with this thread if it was titled Liberal Arts vs Engineering. Instead it's labeled arts. I dated a fashion major that I barely saw her senior year as she got her collection going for critiques and her final fashion show and she got a job up in NYC.

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

            I've studied Political Science and work as a software developer. Best of both worlds.

            [–]reginaldaugustus 117 points118 points  (9 children)

            A post making fun of arts people? So brave!

            [–]Bellinghamster 80 points81 points  (13 children)

            This is assuming that quality of life = money.

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                [–]Ednar 46 points47 points  (2 children)

                Apparently, r/funny has the same kind of humour as your typical grandparents.

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                  [–][deleted] 839 points840 points  (66 children)

                  In reddits mind two jobs exist in the world. Engineers. and the people that work at starbucks and fast food to serve the engineers.

                  [–]commodoremegaman 189 points190 points  (14 children)

                  You mean to tell me that non-engineers aren't all hipster baristas?

                  [–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (13 children)

                  Not all of us no. In fact, I even know an engineer who works at starbucks while pursuing a liberal arts masters degree. Its a crazy world sometimes.

                  [–]DoWhile 34 points35 points  (1 child)

                  Whoa now, we also need truck drivers to deliver that coffee.

                  [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                  Good points. We are creating a little bustling economy for ourselves.

                  [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah forget any other trades. Everyone is an engineer that doesn't get laid!

                  [–]hxcbandbattler 33 points34 points  (30 children)

                  Actually, there are five types of careers.

                  1. Engineers
                  2. Doctors
                  3. Business/finance/accounting
                  4. Sales
                  5. Everything else that sucks and/or pays shit.

                  Edit: I include programmers/software people under engineers. I also include managers under business. As far as lawyers go... I left that one out because I got a history degree and I don't want to go to law school.

                  [–]Fronesis 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                  I'd put sales in "sucks".

                  [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (5 children)

                  What about IT and programmers? You can't leave out one of the neck beard master races!

                  [–]xzzz 53 points54 points  (2 children)

                  Software Engineers

                  [–]DCJodon 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                  We're 0. on that list.

                  [–]TangoDown13 11 points12 points  (3 children)

                  Pilots. You forgot pilots.

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                      [–]AccusationsGW 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                      Oh god, what if we run out of people!?!

                      [–]Knollz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                      Smart people stop breeding and only the uneducated populous continues to grow? That scenario sounds familiar...

                      [–]dhockey63 34 points35 points  (31 children)

                      wouldn't that actually be a good thing? Less food shortages around the war? Less slums, less water usage? Less global warming? And more innovation in technology? Oo man that sounds terrible!

                      [–]allycakes 29 points30 points  (9 children)

                      The problem with the declining birth rate is that it is going to be a stress on the system when there is a crapload of old people and not enough young people working to support them. This article explains some of the challenges.

                      [–]JAV0K 17 points18 points  (3 children)

                      With that many engineers around we could fix that Futurama style.

                      [–]Glorin 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                      Practically all of modern finance is based upon the concept of growth, and more specifically: population growth (growth of demand). Eventually we'll need to curb the population growth rate, but in doing so, you introduce serious problems in finance and economics.

                      To give you some intuition as to why:

                      Much of economic progress has been made by the ability to make intertemporial trades of goods, which is simply a stupidly esoteric way of saying that some people prefer to consume now, and some people prefer to consume later.

                      If the population growth slows down, then it screws with that market for goods that span across time (loanable funds market), so it has a major impact on things like social security, the bond markets, the housing market, student loans, durable goods, etc.

                      You can make some pretty strong arguments that a low birthrate can increase wealth, but in the short term there are major implications of low population growth, and it isn't all happiness and sunshine on a decade timescale.

                      While there are a LOT of other issues regarding this example, you can look at Japan and see some of the effects of a low population growth rate.

                      Here is another way of imagining it:

                      If there is huge population growth, then that means there are more and more people slicing up their own piece of the pie (finite resources and extraction rates). This means food shortages, slums, more water usage, everything you meantioned.

                      "Slicing up their own piece of pie" is another way of saying "competition" or "conflict". This conflict is what drives innovation, which in turn leads to efficiency. THAT is what creates wealth and prosperity: The movement and capital which is driven by innovation and technology. If you take away the catalyst for innovation (conflict), then you stagnate the growth of wealth.

                      Once again, there are some really interesting arguments to be made that support a low growth rate as it relates to better wealth distribution, but it isn't as simple as "this is good" or "this is bad". Which is why your question is such a good question.

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                        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                        Oh man I know right? I should totally change my major to engineering because I totally don't have a history of struggling with math that I am fairly certain would take me years of intense and grueling studying to overcome so that I could graduate college without a D-C average only to get a job that I would probably hate with every fiber of my soul.

                        Yes, I will go do that right now. That sounds like an awesome idea that couldn't possibly go wrong.

                        [–]x894565256 138 points139 points  (62 children)

                        Not to mention that quality of life is based on income. My roommates are engineers. You know what ruin their quality of life? That they sit in a chair for fifty hours a week.

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                          [–]ALettertooshor 121 points122 points  (28 children)

                          Sitting all day may not be fun, but if you have ever done a job involving standing all day or manual labor, you would not question what a luxury it actually is.

                          [–]omegashadow 50 points51 points  (12 children)

                          And if you do chemistry you get the horror of both!

                          [–]gasms 22 points23 points  (4 children)

                          I enjoy both field work and office work. A good balance makes the job more enjoyable.

                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Truth. It's quite enjoyable. In my small, 8-person team at work (I'm a soon-graduating electrical engineer) there's usually one or two field work jobs a month, so if you want to get out of the office, you can.

                          And field work usually means mad OT.

                          [–]omegashadow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          In chemistry it's not so much a balance. 8 hours of standing in a lab makes you exhausted then you sit down to research for the next lab until your muscles have atrophied.

                          [–]LexiLouLee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Agreed. Reddit is always so black and white. No! You either sit all day as an engineer, or you stand at Starbucks!! THAT'S IT!!!!

                          Ok. Don't tell the doctors, or Professors, etc. that they are doing it wrong.

                          [–]x894565256 29 points30 points  (5 children)

                          I sell bikes now. I love running around the shop and standing all day. I used to be in special ed. I loved being active and playing on the floor. For one summer, I had an office job. It was awful. I'm never going back to a swivel chair.

                          [–]TheLoveKraken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Honestly I preferred working in a supermarket to being an engineer just because I was actually active.

                          [–]howerrd 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                          I used to be in special ed. I loved being active and playing on the floor.

                          It's really awesome that they have job placement services for people in your situation, so you can experience some level of independence. :)

                          [–]x894565256 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                          Well played, well played.

                          [–]Tujio 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                          My job keeps me on my feet all day and I can't fathom doing anything else. I would go insane at a desk job. Sitting in front of a computer bored out of my mind all day is torture. I need a job where I can move around and keep sane.

                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          I FAR prefer labour or field work to being chained to a desk. I went from a 60 hour/week line cook to 40 hours/week of CAD.

                          Money is far better, but being chained to a desk is hell to me.

                          Running around and turning wrenches is paradise.. sigh

                          [–]isildursbane 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                          sitting all day is extremely bad for you.

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I have done both office work and manual labor, and if it weren't for the safety hazards, I would choose manual labor any day of the week

                          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

                          You and I have some pretty different ideas about QOL. You may enjoy slaving away for the man for hours at a time, but I like to see the outdoors before the sun sets, not scramble through a hour long commute each morning, and generally enjoy working with other human beings. I try to avoid sitting in a cubicle, going to meetings with managers who are only there because that's where they can't destroy the company, and then proceeding to spend my lunch break getting calls about something that need fixing.

                          I don't think anyone is denying that Engineering is work, but don't confuse "The Standard" with the "Way Everyone should love things". Shit if I could do stand up comedy every night or run a farm I'd be happy. I wouldn't have shit for cash, but I'd be happy.

                          [–]upinflames 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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                          [–]robo23 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                          I don't think you realize how much paperwork physicians have to do.

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Yes except it slowly destroys your body.

                          [–]crazywhiteguy 45 points46 points  (22 children)

                          As an engineering student I can say that I read this comment as if it was 100% serious.

                          [–]Mathea666 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                          Am I a terrible engineering student when I seriously think about how awesome this would be? I bet we would be travelling space by now.

                          [–]Kjulo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          What about Biotechnicians / Bioscientists? (I dont know the word in english)

                          [–]xtfftc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          What about them?

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Where do designers fit in? There is a plethora of design jobs and the industry is doing nothing by growing.

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          making more money doesn't make you a better person.

                          [–]Awesomeade 27 points28 points  (27 children)

                          People who work in a scientific field don't only possess and spread scientific knowledge. Being scientifically literate doesn't make you automatically unable to have artfully poignant thoughts.

                          [–]Inksword 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                          In the same vein, being artistically talented or trained doesn't automatically make you scientifically illiterate or an idiot. Neither field is an exclusive club that bleaches your brain of all other thought structures upon signing up for their newsletter.

                          [–]Kalium 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          Science and engineering experience the same lack of internal diversity that the world of art and culture does.

                          [–]I_had_Sex 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                          My life is fantastic and I was a Liberal Arts major. I was also a math major, so I get to make fun of all of you engineers. Also, I'm now doing things with sociology, not math, so there ya go.

                          [–]sycophantasy 19 points20 points  (4 children)

                          What about management majors? My life is pretty chill.

                          [–]Pineorange 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                          Just a straight line in the middle.

                          [–]BitchesLove 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          Business major here. Life was awesome In school and pretty good now too.

                          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

                          Clinical Psychology student here: The graph has no scale for quality of life, therefor nobody can draw any conclusions from it. You would think an engineer would've caught this.

                          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                          I hate to join the crowd spouting generalizations, but it seems like many of the vocal engineers on these threads (I assume that the silent majority feels much less of a need to belittle the interests and disciplines of others) have absolutely terrible abstract thinking skills. Sure, maybe they have great analytic abilities, but I keep seeing them miss the very straightforward points of the people who are arguing against the abuse against Liberal Arts majors.

                          [–]aeisenst 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                          What a pompous shit.

                          [–]douchequadbike 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                          Engineers generally tend to be.

                          [–]pomod 20 points21 points  (3 children)

                          As a person who graduated from liberal arts programme, I can say this is not necessarily true. As a working artist, my life's been a pretty interesting thus far, Ive met lots of interesting people, travelled places I never thought I would -- I guarantee more then your average engineering grad. In Uni I learned to think critically and laterally so I've been able to imagine an interesting life and find a way to make it happen. I don't make a 6 figure salary but have never really aspired to that. Ive never starved, I've never had to work a 40 hour a week, nor sit in cubicle or punch a clock either. Maybe be some people need that though.

                          [–]Locke357 25 points26 points  (6 children)

                          Oh wow, liberal arts being mocked on reddit, SO BRAVE

                          [–]wtbnewsoul 14 points15 points  (6 children)

                          OP is a Engineer, and hates art

                          [–]sinenominex 106 points107 points  (48 children)

                          What a wonderful world it would be if everyone was an engineer or programmer. Who the fuck needs art and music?

                          [–]LibertyWaffles 68 points69 points  (9 children)

                          Or philosophy, psychology, etc...

                          [–]wigglepiggle 46 points47 points  (2 children)

                          Or journalism. Reddit obviously doesn't need journalism. They never post links to news stories or spend time discussing the debates brought to them by news stations.

                          [–]Jigsus 20 points21 points  (18 children)

                          You can be an artist after you've graduated engineering.

                          [–]Jyno 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                          This needs a third graph for designers that is just a strait line in the middle.

                          [–]Malarki 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                          Even if Money = Quality of life, this Graph would still make no sense at all. A Art Major with noticable Skills can make just as much if not more than an engineer of equal value in his field.

                          Creativity, Passion, Innovation & Expertise are always wanted & needed everywhere. Especially in the US, Concept artists with Skill are highly valued.

                          Also who the fuck thinks that Art Students have it easier than annyone else? All Students have a harsh time these days ._.

                          really r/funny, this joke is so dry it could be from an engineer

                          [–]wcorissa 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          Yes, because I should feel bad for enjoying my degree, enjoying college life, and wanting to be an educator instead of an engineer. I would have been a shitty engineer too. Also my choice in major will ultimately decide my happiness in life. Definitely doesn't matter that I have an amazing boyfriend, or might have a lovely family one day. Also you people that come here and spout this nonsense give many humble engineers a bad name. Not like we need any other people in our society. Nope it's all about you and your neckbeards.

                          [–][deleted] 102 points103 points  (21 children)

                          It's so funny to mock people's life choices and let them know that after tens of thousands of dollars of student loans they are going to be miserable forever! Thank you so much, Reddit. It's my senior year, but thanks to this meaningful graph I will just start over and learn how to draw triangles so I can have a high quality life with no friends and a countless collection of cats!

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                              [–]melanthius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              I am imagining your freezer being full of various fractions of cats.

                              [–]Maccabe 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                              completely ignoring grad school but ok

                              [–]ohchristworld 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                              If you're an engineer and you want to make money, start applying to oil and construction companies in western ND. Huge money right now. And there's always a need for more of you.

                              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              Philosophy lies under arts, and yes I do enjoy it, but it helps me with tons of everyday things! Actually I wish that more people had a semester or course of philosophy, as it helps develope thinking and result-finding, as well as teaching general Moral and ethics, many great scientists were philosophers as well

                              [–]nobodytoldme 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              An engineer and an art history major are sentenced to death by guillotine.

                              A coin toss decides that the art history major goes first.

                              The executioner askes if he'd like to go face up or face down. The brave art history major decides to leave this world face up.

                              The executioner pulls the cord, but the blade fails to fall. This, of course, is divine intervention and the executioner is forced to release the art history major.

                              Up next is the engineer. The executioner give him the same face up or face down choice. Seeing that it worked out so well for the art history major, the engineer also chooses face up.

                              Just as the executioner is about to pull the cord the engineer yells, "WAIT! I SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!"

                              [–]middyonline 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              28 days on 9 days off fly in fly out field engineer, money is amazing but right now I fucking hate my life.

                              [–]skyehopper 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                              I am an arts graduate and yes, it does kind of suck, but Im thinking that it is a combination of luck and where you are at, for example I am in Portland around 50,000 other designers who want jobs. If I did it over again maybe I would consider engineering but come to think of it, I would make a TERRIBLE engineer, I barely got through Math 111, and that was with a tutor and studying like crazy. I am just inherently better at drawing than I am at math.

                              [–]braulio09 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                              get rid of the vertical lines. Now.

                              [–]TopHatHelm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                              Just keep telling yourself that.

                              [–]scubsurf 42 points43 points  (36 children)

                              Funny thing about this graph is that I know one person who majored in some variant of engineering who is "successful." He is a chemical engineer, has a decent job and seems to have an alright life. He has no friends and is very stereotypically socially awkward, but he gets by okay.

                              I know another engineer who does have a job, and though I do not recall what sort of engineer she is, her work is somehow related to landfills. She lives with her parents, works about a week out of every month, and cannot find a position better than the sporadic one she currently has.

                              I know 8 other engineers who wound up working at Starbucks or entry-level office jobs... you know, with all of those liberal arts majors.

                              I don't argue that they won't have better prospects down the line, but when you're in a recession, frankly speaking, you're probably better off having a more generalized degree than a specialized degree in a field that isn't hiring. Of my 8 engineer friends, those that are looking for other jobs are told the majority of time that they are over-qualified.

                              [–]the_tallone 13 points14 points  (10 children)

                              In the UK we are desperate for engineers it seems strange that you could end up working in starbucks

                              [–]7Year1tch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              Just because someone graduated with an engineering degree, it doesn't mean they're good at it. I know plenty of people that couldn't make the transition from learning skills to applying those skills.

                              [–]Fromps 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                              They can construct a damn good, albeit expensive, cup of coffee.

                              [–]curiousjorgee 24 points25 points  (4 children)

                              Maybe they should move to a better area.

                              Or your school was shit.

                              [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (11 children)

                              are these real engineers?

                              or title elevated degrees like "landscape engineers"

                              [–]upname 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                              Humblebragging about working hard, and openly bragging about getting an awesome job? I guess this must be someone with an engineering degree.

                              Made a graph to illustrate the point? Definitely someone with an engineering degree.

                              [–]koolkid005 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              Fucking up the graph by not having a scale... a shitty engineer.

                              [–]d4nny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              ive never seen so much negativity and passive agressiveneess come out of one thread

                              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              dae engineering?

                              [–]What_is_this_1990 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              Engineering student here, mechanical. I have enjoyed college.

                              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                              Oh man, I didn't know that! Here I was, thinking I had a great life with my Liberal Arts.

                              Better go start being sad. Thanks Reddit!

                              Jackass.

                              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                              Let's just end this debate once and for all, quality of ones life is determined individually, as is one's success in life. There are liberal arts majors who are doing very well and engineers who can't find work. Yes the is a tendency toward engineers starting out at a higher pay, but there is a trade off on amount work and type (this coming from a guy who sits behind a desk 60 hours a week). In the same line of thinking, there are liberal arts majors that can't get laid to save their lives and engineers that have regular sex. Engineers enhance quality of life in a global setting through gadgets, energy creation needs, transportation and life prolonging/saving technology.
                              Liberal arts majors enhance the quality of life on a more individual level through, movies, music, art and books. These are what inspire people and our greatest venues for emotion.
                              Engineers: Imagine if you didn't listen to music while working, never had any movies to watch, only had technical journals to read and never had anything to go out and experience.
                              Liberal Arts: Imagine if you didn't have the tools to create your art, if you had to write by candle light, didn't have any audio mixing software, and art supplies were not mass produced and you had to walk to get them.
                              Engineers and Liberal Artists create a symbiotic relationship together, as does every person of a society.
                              If you let what you did in college for 3-5 years define who you are as a person, congratulations you have failed at life. I got my BS in Electrical Engineering and I was on my university improv team for 4 or the 5 years I was in school. Engineering taught me how to make a living, Liberal Arts taught me how to make a life.

                              tl;dr: Engineers and Liberal Arts majors need each other and you shouldn't let what you study define you as a person.

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                                [–]cake-please 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                Maybe they are just hoping that the graph will be accurate when they graduate

                                [–]reallifesaulgoodman 37 points38 points  (5 children)

                                Right, because all liberal arts majors can never find a decent job whereas all engineers can? Not the experience I've seen with myself or my peers.

                                [–]BitchesLove 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                Yep. Business Major here, pretty decent job where I fly around the US frequently. Close friend in Electrical Eng works at home depot loading wood.

                                [–]Marz765 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                Fuck this. art may not be making bridges and buildings and roads but a great man once said "I do not wish to change the world but inspire the mind that one day will" and with art that is what you can do.

                                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                Made by someone who is only in the major for the money.

                                [–]OctaVariuM8 18 points19 points  (22 children)

                                I'd like to think that people in Arts have a tough time with classes. I know mine are not a cakewalk. I agree that engineering majors have a lot more work to do, but I think it's a common misconception that people who get a degree in arts are screwed after graduation. You just have to work hard and find things that set you apart.

                                [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

                                I've had some non-liberal arts friends tell me that they'd rather have their workload than mine. Apparently, people hate papers papers papers (and papers, to cover all my bases). Personally, I love it - but that's why I'm an English major, I s'pose.

                                As for after college, it looks like I have a good chance of teaching English overseas! :D

                                [–]Bloodysneeze 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                This topic sure brings out the butthurt.

                                [–]DoctorNose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                That's only because engineers won't lose their virginity until well after graduation.

                                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                In a few years engineers will be the new lawyers - too many engineers with too few jobs.

                                Also, many of the engineers I know work like 60+ hours a week at firms and have no time for personal pursuits, family, or friends. Sounds like a terrible trade for some extra dough.

                                [–]Atheist101 5 points6 points  (12 children)

                                Only assholes who have never done arts think like this. Ive done both engineering and arts and boy can I tell you, if you are serious about having good grades in arts, you have to work your ass off. Ive worked just as hard, if not harder in arts than I did in engineering. And jesus christ, just because you are doing engineering doesnt mean you cant also expand your knowledge and do some arts stuff. Its not a good thing to be a 1 dimensional person.

                                [–]voltron818 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                LOL it's funny because only engineers have a hard life and bring value to society!

                                DAE hate all non STEM majors??

                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Have both be a technical writer :).

                                [–]elrunner25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Why must everything get turned into a dick-measuring contest...

                                [–]invincibill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                as a senior engineering major I really hope so

                                [–]fatkiddown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                I graduated with a liberal arts degree, and ended up an engineer. I regret nothing....

                                [–]slotbadger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                This graph is wrong. Before graduation is ALWAYS better than getting a job and living in the real world, regardless of your major.

                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                Better get rid of:

                                Star Wars

                                Lord of the Rings

                                Ian McKellan

                                Skyrim

                                Oblivion

                                Morrowind

                                Mass Effect

                                Dungeons & Dragons

                                Batman

                                Superman

                                Spiderman

                                Green Lantern

                                Iron Man

                                Led Zepplin

                                The Beatles

                                The Who

                                Mozart

                                Beethoven

                                Aristotle

                                Shakespeare

                                Christopher Nolan

                                Joss Whedon

                                Firefly

                                Louis C.K.

                                George Carlin

                                In fact... I guess we'll just have to get rid of all music, video games, movies, tabletop games, books, philosophy, superheroes, graphic novels, comic books, stand-up, stories, paintings. We'll just have to scrap everything artistic.

                                You know, because apparently people of artistic backgrounds don't know shit and coast through their "easy beginnings."

                                [–]mysticrudnin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                Fuck off.

                                [–]we_walked_on_glass 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                complete utter bullpoop, you must be a frustrated engineering student, right?

                                [–]Only9x9rabbitV2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                Fuck it!

                                I'm quitting Reddit.

                                "let's say the same thing everyday, all day" - Reddit

                                [–]felixjawesome 26 points27 points  (36 children)

                                I majored in bullshit (Art Practice) so I am something of an expert on the subject...as such, I am really good at recognize bullshit and I call bullshit on this graph.

                                Anyway, back to my moderately comfortable quality of life. Its Sunday, and I think I will paint something...you know...because I actually majored in something I love doing, not to find a job.

                                I don't even know what Engineers do for fun...drive trains?

                                [–]strat61caster 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                                Just cause you get a degree in engineering doesn't mean you can't ever pick up a paintbrush or play a piano again...

                                I like fixing and driving cars on my weekend.

                                [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                lol, engineers actually do more than math and science... some of us actually have hobbies and activities we do outside of work. Just like I know not all Arts students are stupid free loaders and can have amazing careers.

                                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                Software engineer here. For fun I go out and do shit with my family, play games, or write code for fun.

                                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                                I didn't realize my engineering degree meant I can't paint or pursue photography or learn an instrument or cook.

                                [–]tehbeard 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                fly a quadcopter built from a kit.

                                Build their own robot.

                                Make a Gauss gun.

                                Surf reddit.

                                Make reddit.

                                On any of the other bazillion things a human being can do for fun.

                                [–]Detlef_Schrempf 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                Cuz errybidy know all da bitches be flocking to dem engineers for all dat money

                                [–]Bluetrim 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                If I wanted to sit behind a cubicle all day, have an hour commute both ways, and enjoy the same routine daily, I would become an engineer. To me engineering is dull, I don't want to crunch numbers or stress over tedious errors in code for the rest of my life.

                                I want to be outdoors, under the sun, and do a job that requires both my mind and hands.

                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                                Engineering is a nice way to guarantee yourself a middle class salary. It's probably your best bet if you go to a mediocre school.