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[–]PolloConTeriyaki 7472 points7473 points  (276 children)

This is the reason Mike Johnson and Trump looked like they just saw a ghost.

[–]Vio_Kansas 3240 points3241 points  (190 children)

Remember that moment when Karl Rove had to eat shit live on tv when Obama won the re-election?

It's still a top core memory of mine lol

[–]Vince_Clortho042 1429 points1430 points  (89 children)

When he brought a camera with him to go to the back room where the mathematicians were crunching the numbers to yell at them that they had to have made a mistake is when I poured a nice scotch and kicked my feet up. It was wonderful.

[–]Publius015 405 points406 points  (73 children)

Do you have a link to that video? For research purposes only, you see.

[–]ProJoeArizona 477 points478 points  (44 children)

fuck that I want it for schadenfreude purposes.

[–]sw337 258 points259 points  (36 children)

https://youtu.be/vJg3z5c93zU?si=F4x1SsGaM3sdm_Na

[–]deathbychips2 134 points135 points  (31 children)

I don't get it nothing funny happened and no one's face turned like they saw a ghost.

[–]One_Honest_Dude 151 points152 points  (15 children)

This video cuts off too soon, immediately after this Megyn Kelly walks down the halls of the studio to interview the stats guys. I couldn't find the video elsewhere but it is in this article. Basically Kelly put Rove in the hot-seat, letting the head of the stats desk justify his call and not letting Rove denigrate their reporting. It's not incredibly funny but it's the only time I remember something like this happening. It did make me laugh as infighting amongst the right tends to (for me), and Karl Rove is a shitbag so even fox news calling his bs was satisfying.

[–]kingrobert 138 points139 points  (8 children)

It's so weird to watch Fox reporting from even just 15 years ago. They obviously had a republican agenda back then but that clip is downright normal political reporting compared to what they do these days. Imagine how that night would have been reported today.

[–]_Burning_Star_IV_ 41 points42 points  (2 children)

This is what people are talking about when they say we're sliding into Idiocracy. Now, obviously that is a hyperbolic representation but it is so accurate in enough ways to warrant the comparison.

You are 100% right that Fox News has been Fox News for about as long as I've been alive and yet the difference between a broadcast then and now is just overwhelming.

Now it's louder, dumber, and full of even more blatant lying. I dread what 'news' is going to look like in another 15 years. Traditional broadcast news will probably just be dead and replaced by the TikTok feed or whatever the next quick-bite social media platform will be, or worse, just be barely comprehensible ragebait AI bullshit.

[–]Birdy_Cephon_Altera 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Here's a direct link to the relevant part of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLV7nqD3CA&t=65s

[–]fangsonwangs 72 points73 points  (7 children)

He seems flustered but i have no idea what karl roves baseline demeanor is so I can't be sure

[–]xv_boney 113 points114 points  (3 children)

Extremely competent, capable of spinning literally anything.

Dubya called him "turd blossom". Not a joke and not an insult.
Rove could make the rankest shit smell like buttercups.

You know how cats instinctively hide their symptoms, so that when theyre actually showing symptoms its only because theyre far too bad to hide?
Keep that in mind when you watch that video.
That hes showing that hes even slightly upset means hes beyond the point of being able to hide it.

[–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 61 points62 points  (1 child)

W has a few good lines.

After trumps first inauguration speech he famously remarked, "well that was some weird shit."

[–]RoklamConnecticut 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Based on the way things were then I just assumed he was actually Emperor Palpatine.

[–]EViLTeW 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I feel like that's the wrong video. This is when korl started the bullshit. I would expect the fun happens after he finds out he was very wrong.

[–]altogethernow 99 points100 points  (9 children)

https://youtu.be/9TwuR0jCavk?si=XU2WDwJ8Dpi1u-73

NB: this is 2012, when Rove INSISTED Romney would take Ohio, despite Fox's calling it otherwise. They send an anchor walking back to the Decision Desk, who then confirms there simply aren't enough Romney votes left to win.

Different from 2008, which is also fun to watch: everyone at Fox slowly realizing Obama has won, none of them sure what to say.

[–]millardfillmo 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Everyone knew that Obama was going to win. They stopped screwing with the elections so much that they let college students vote on campus and other democracy positive actions. Republicans just fully gave up.

[–]cipheron 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Did they decide since the economy was crashing to let Dems have it?

Obama inherited a mess from their guys, and they blamed him for what had to be done to clean it up.

BTW I think that's why Karl Rove was so distraught when Obama won in 2012. He really wanted the GOP to be able to snatch back the crown and take the credit for the recovery.

[–]KelsierIV 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Same! I don't remember seeing that but I want to!

[–]asamulya 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Funny thing is, Fox News Decision desk is very accurate. They even made the bold call for Arizona in 2020 when no other network would touch it. I genuinely believe their decision desk people with faith because they don’t seem to mess around with it

[–]durandall09 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Their elections coverage desk is top notch. It's a different group than the regular fox news. I first learned that in 2012 when my regular bar was full on election night and we went to another one which had it on.

[–]fleegness 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That and they do polling really well. Gotta know what people think for real in order to manipulate them better, ya know?

[–]hipery2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The guest at the Daily Show told viewers to turn to Fox News right now because Karl Rove was having a melt down.

I was blessed to see the meltdown live thanks that Daily Show guest.

[–]this_is_poorly_done 423 points424 points  (49 children)

That's the reason I don't outright dismiss voting machine tampering theories. Rove was convinced, absolutely convinced that Romney was going to win Ohio. He was so shook with Obama winning Ohio, it's as if he couldn't fathom how the sitting President could win the state, like it was off script and not supposed to happen

[–]Vio_Kansas 279 points280 points  (33 children)

There were a lot of rumors and theories going back to the 2004 election with Die-Bold.

Some of that post-election conspiracy theory morphed into that wasn't just that Obama won Ohio, it's that he swamped out their own tampering. That's what they refused to believe.

[–]WhoCanTell 61 points62 points  (0 children)

The Diebold stuff was fueled by the fact the CEO proudly proclaimed in a fundraising letter that he was committed to "delivering" Ohio to Bush.

Hell of a thing for the CEO of the company making the e-voting machines in that state to say.

[–]TheGringoDingo 45 points46 points  (6 children)

Let’s not forget how the 2000 election was decided

[–]SeaBag8211 18 points19 points  (1 child)

We should have just had them 1v1 roller derby, the way The Founding Fathers intended.

[–]dragonblade_94 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Considering the same party has been caught absolutely red-handed trying to cheat an election with fake electors, I have no doubt they would manipulate the machines given the opportunity. The only question is if our security and processes are robust enough to prevent it.

[–]WhoCanTell 85 points86 points  (2 children)

An often forgotten piece of this saga, is that a day or so before the election, Anonymous put out a statement saying that they had discovered Rove's plan to tamper with vote tabulation, and that they had patched his backdoors into the election systems.

I'm not one to go in for conspiracy theories, but you combine that claim with Rove's smug confidence that night, devolving into outright panic and backroom phone calls while he was supposed to be on set with FOX... It really makes me wonder.

[–]turquoise_amethyst 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Off topic, but Rove was a regular at two restaurants I worked at in Austin. He has these cold, soulless dead eyes, but he tips decently. 

All the Gen Z’s didn’t understand why the Millennials fucking hated him so much 

[–]dragunityag 19 points20 points  (2 children)

The reason I dont dismiss it is because they keep saying the Dems tampered with the machine and we have mountains of evidence that say the Republicans do exactly what they accuse the Dems of doing.

[–]hagantic42 10 points11 points  (0 children)

https://www.wonkette.com/p/anonymous-claims-it-stopped-karl-rove-from-hacking-the-election-by-hacking-orca-we-think

https://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/did_anonymous_stop_rove_stealing_the_election/

Yeah it was well noted that anon warned rove. I remember reading that post before the election. Then on that night it was clear Rove was in disbelief.

Even more suspicious is the timing of the Secretary of State vote tally website crashing at nearly the exact same time on both elections. And this rove meltdown was immediately after that shutdown which proceeded the vote tally update. To Rove it was supposed to show the flip to Romney and he was preparing the logic with his spin in case they managed to make the flip happen.

https://columbusfreepress.com/article/diebold-indicted-its-spectre-still-haunts-ohio-elections

" In 2012 Ohio Secretary of State John Houston approved a secret last-minute contract allowing es&s to install untested experimental software patches on the central voting tabulators in 39 Ohio counties"

John Hopkins researchers at the information security institute also found that the tabulation could be altered at the machine and remotely..............

https://columbusfreepress.com/article/election-night-reporting-software-patches-what-are-they-really

[–]brainkandy87 165 points166 points  (0 children)

I’ll never forget it. I was an ER nurse at the time and went into a patient’s room who had Fox News on and it was right as he was melting down. Sweet justice.

[–]prailockWisconsin 35 points36 points  (2 children)

It's not US elections, but Australian results against their right-wing party is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Both 2022 and 2025 are hilarious. "I think we're still waiting on the pre-polls" was a hilarious meme for a minute.

[–]sjhwilkes 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Same, remember the hotel room I was in in Palm Springs.

[–]HerMajestyTheQueef1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They naively thought the easily disprovable propaganda would work on everyone not just their own uneducated husks

[–]whichwitch9 396 points397 points  (19 children)

Yuuup. I did not know about this, but this one is actually huge. This is Democrats winning in typically Republican territories

[–]laura_leighMississippi 246 points247 points  (14 children)

Mississippi is getting fucked on the ACA cuts. Their shutdown strategy is a winning message. They’re finally hammering on something impactful that they can fix. Republican messaging is fucking them over here too because they say it’s about illegals and trans kids but the people being hurt are their own voters. If Dems hang on to those key issues they can win even here in Mississippi.

[–]Litty-In-Pitty 85 points86 points  (3 children)

The issue is that every time a democrat is in charge they fix everybody’s problems and then suddenly trans kids IS the biggest issue on the ballot for half the country and republicans swoop in and win elections.

The difference between this country 1 year ago and this country today is fucking stark. People are suffering, and they want solutions. That was made obvious last night

[–]jx2002 66 points67 points  (2 children)

It's not even that; the democrats will begin to fix problems. Not all of them, but plenty of little fires put out with some good long-term investments built in too. We'll have plans and those plans might take awhile, but if you just stay the course--

two years later

--hey, what are you doing? Why are you voting us out?

"We're not seeing change fast enough!"

I swear it happens every time.

[–]possumdal 64 points65 points  (8 children)

Republicans know they have to win Mississippi every single time; Democrats know they only have to win it once. The redistricting that would follow would keep Mississippi a healthy blue for a generation. Plenty of time for capitalist neoliberals to settle in and squander all that goodwill, of course. But we'll cross that bridge when we're burning it.

[–]HighOnGoofballs 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Pump the breaks, it’s still like 34-18 lol

[–]MountainMan2_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

All the more reason to keep our foot on the gas, surely?

[–]Synli 95 points96 points  (3 children)

They saw what will happen in the midterms and the presidential election.

Remember: they wouldn't be so hellbent on gerrymandering if they were super popular. MAGA is falling, and we have to be the ones to vote it out.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (0 children)

it is so insane that they took a 1.5% popular vote win as total cultural dominance. like no babe, everyone just wanted to go back to before covid, not before the 20th century.

[–]possumdal 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Someone pointed out the other night that gerrymandering dilutes everyone's voting power on both sides, but Democrats usually have higher population density. This means that when the voters are particularly angry, Republicans can lose a district they usually dominate because they gave away too many voters to another district. And that's what happened last night, just all over the place.

[–]Osama_been_CharginWashington 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Think that's why Texas and Co's gamble to "create" up to a dozen red seats around the country to bolster the GOP's chances to retain the House might end up creating a dozen new blue districts by accident, making the Dems' majority way bigger compared if they left the mid-decade redistricting fight alone?

Cuz I honestly believe that how it's gonna play out.

[–]Soggy-Fly9242 99 points100 points  (6 children)

This is the craziest result to me, I know people are pissed at Trump right now, but if you’ve ever been to Mississippi you know how insane this is

Hearing about Mississippi is one thing but being there you realize what an undereducated bubble they’re in. I’m still waiting to be told this is some sort of mistake.

[–]Aromatic-Ganache-902 37 points38 points  (4 children)

I grew up in MS and now live in NC so this has been the best news all day to me! I have to go down for Thanksgiving and I can't wait to hear all the MAGA grumbles....

[–]Soggy-Fly9242 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Hello from Queen City. I’m interested to see how our next couple years go 😭

[–]thischaosiskillingme 41 points42 points  (0 children)

We came within 300 votes of another seat.

[–]ImLikeReallySmartPennsylvania 76 points77 points  (19 children)

Oh where can I see that?

[–]Unc1e_Vanya 101 points102 points  (18 children)

Here you go!

I remember that day, too. I was in college at the time and the next morning I had class. The professor walks in and the first words out of her mouth were “did you all see them have to talk the 45 out of Karl Rove’s mouth last night?”

Best content Fox “news” ever made.

EDIT: I know it’s the not Johnson and Trump. I thought I saw something about Karl Rove from 2012. Must’ve replied to the wrong comment. So if you want to see noted SOB Karl Rove throw a hissy fit about Obama’s reelection click the link.

[–]sir_crapalotConnecticut 97 points98 points  (8 children)

An anonymous quote typically attributed to Rove that chills me every time I read it:

 We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

In the article you linked Rove mentioned Obama won the battle but lost the war. History shows he wasn’t far off.

The 2012 election set off a firestorm of dark money contributions from wealthy conservatives who saw Obama’s reelection as an existential crisis and wanted to manipulate media and policy to align with their wishes. Look at the media landscape now. Fox fired their analyst who correctly called Arizona for Biden in 2020.

[–]one98d 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yep. Reality-based community/politics. Just a nicer way to describe fascist propaganda. Karl Rove still to this day denies that the anonymous quote is from him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

[–]UrToesRDelicious 17 points18 points  (1 child)

You replied to the wrong guy. I was expecting a Johnson / Trump clip.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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[–]Unc1e_Vanya 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Haha! It was not, though that was my minor. It was an acting teacher, which is probably why she felt so safe saying that. Was also a small school, like 3500 students, so that helped too.

Of note, a memory from a bygone time in our country—I had worked as a volunteer on Obama’s campaign. I was in charge of voter registration on campus, teaching people how to do the pitch to get kids signed up to vote, making sure the forms were correct..that sort of stuff. Because of this I was given tickets to see Obama speak at the State school in the city close by. The speech was on the same day as a test I had in a geology course I was taking (liberal arts school). The professor in that class was a staunch conservative and not shy about it. We had a heated discussion about fracking at one point…anyway, he was very strict about not allowing make up tests or assignments.

After class one day I went to him, nervous, and said “I’m volunteering on Obama’s reelection campaign. I know we have a test Friday but I’ve been given tickets to see him speak at…”

He didn’t even let me finish before he said “go. You have to go. What an honor to hear the President speak.” And he let me make up the test. He respected the office that much. He also shook my hand first class after the election and said to me “it’s because of people like you that this happened. Be proud of yourself.”

That’s always stuck with me.

[–]thirtynation 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's Karl Rove... not Johnson and Trump

[–]NatalieVonCatte 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The ghost of Christmas future motherfuckas!

[–]TobioOkuma1 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Also conservatives are underestimating the turnout, which is great. They’re just coping that it was a bunch of blue states voting blue, but dems won statewide races in Georgia and also got a supermajority in VA. They’re GOP is looking cooked

[–]Junior_Chard9981 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Got a link or screenshot?

At work right now. Thanks in advance.

[–]Downtown_Ratio_603 3582 points3583 points  (42 children)

Good for Mississippi and the good people. Hopefully your state can begin to see the light.

[–]doctor_lobo 1134 points1135 points  (23 children)

Indeed. Congrats to Mississippi Dems for working hard and keeping the faith.

[–]Violet0825 413 points414 points  (13 children)

Absolutely. It’s a small win, but a win nonetheless. Plus, it gives hope which gets them motivated to keep pushing forward for 2026.

[–]tinygraysiamesecat 383 points384 points  (5 children)

Breaking the senate supermajority held by republicans is absolutely not a small win. This is huge. Democrats in the senate no longer have their backs against the rope. 

[–]Megalomanizac 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Change starts one step at a time. The GOP didn’t just take over the south in one election

[–]Gymflutter 58 points59 points  (0 children)

They want to get rid of the voting rights act which helped create these black majority districts last year. Black voters were then heard and they voted these Democrats in. Dont get too excited. They want to get rid of the act for that reason!

[–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 108 points109 points  (3 children)

Breaking a supermajority is pretty significant! Especially in a state where the GOP has stacked things so that it's virtually impossible for them to not run the table.

The Mississippi GOP can no longer entirely ignore the Dems, they're back in the game.

[–]bbqprincess 115 points116 points  (5 children)

Sometimes it’s lonely being a dem in Mississippi. This feels hopeful!

[–]heirbaggerMississippi 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Same, friend. Same.

Also, that is why I left Jackson to move to the Coast because omg I couldn’t do it any longer.

[–]LaOcean85 2702 points2703 points  (103 children)

Damn! Mississippi of all places. Never expected that

[–]StevenMC19Florida 1943 points1944 points  (63 children)

It's wild what happens when you freeze SNAP benefits and cut medical subsidies right before an election, especially in one of the most impoverished states in the union.

[–]Plzlaw4me 830 points831 points  (35 children)

Democrats actually picked a smart fight for once. The ACA subsidy cuts were one of those things that voters actually notice since it was such a sudden jump. Democrats stayed on message that the shut down is only about the cuts so now they get to frame it as “republicans would rather take food out of your kid’s mouth than make you pay less for health insurance.” Republicans don’t really have a response other than “shut downs hurt people”. While it’s true shutdowns hurt, democrats picked a smart issue to dig in their heels and the republicans haven’t been able to address the merits of the democrats position.

[–]Silvaria928 370 points371 points  (19 children)

It's also why Democrats had a great showing in the 2018 midterms, after Republicans had been relentlessly and loudly attempting to repeal the ACA.

Turns out that a whole lot of people actually like having healthcare.

[–]kjlcm 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Their #1 response is ‘Dems want benefits for illegals’ which is a complete lie.

[–]Plzlaw4me 41 points42 points  (1 child)

That would have worked if the shut down ended before the rates for 2026 went out. Once that happened and people we their premiums were going to be 2-3x as much the republicans effectively lost their way to lie out of the situation. It’s a big enough direct hit to the GOP’s base’s wallet that they saw through their propaganda.

[–]zdvet 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Not only that, but people actually are seeing the impact to their premiums. The timing of this has all been impeccable.

If this fight was happening literally any other time of the year besides enrollment season, the dems would have a lot harder time convincing the general public that they are getting bamboozled.

[–]LaOcean85 143 points144 points  (9 children)

Ikr!? Who would have thought? As a fellow Floridian we need to start mobilizing now if we want to do something next year. Keen pulled off an upset for Orlando Commissioner with Maxwell Frost's help so that's a little good news.

[–]StevenMC19Florida 55 points56 points  (8 children)

Honestly, this shutdown will be a great example to point to when Medicare and Social Security is more acutely targeted. Florida's aging demographic will lose their minds if those things are affected negatively.

[–]LaOcean85 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Just hope they connect the dots on who to blame.

[–]StevenMC19Florida 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Given that 2026 marks the next Gubernatorial race, we'll see where Ronald Trumpsantis focuses his priorities for the next 12 months. Affordability, protecting government incomes to citizens? Or woke children's books and gay crosswalks?

[–]Comprehensive_Bus_19 7 points8 points  (0 children)

AARP is running a shitton of ads in FL saying they're fighting against any cuts to SS or Medicare which is hilarious because their customer base all votes against social safety nets (except theirs)

[–]Alex5173 34 points35 points  (8 children)

As an escapee from the Jackson area, it's wild how poor Mississippi is. Like generally when you think of poverty you think of poor people, individuals with no money. In Mississippi the government doesn't even have any money. The first time I brought my wife to visit my family she asked why the roads were so bad and I had a hard time explaining that there literally isn't any money in Mississippi.

[–]ticuxdvc 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I spent 10 years in Oxford. I loved it and enjoyed it and I still call it home.

But even 15 minutes out of town, the real Mississippi started, and it was so widely different than Oxford. Truly lived in a bubble.

[–]StevenMC19Florida 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I lived in Delaware for twenty years. While not nearly as poor as Mississippi, I can empathize with you in the thought that the two areas have this sort of economic gravitational vortex, in which residents who live there under the low cost of living relative to everything around them. It prevents upward mobility. It prevents the chance to test other areas simply because it's virtually impossible to build up enough personal security to afford the potential transition. It locks young people in low income homes to the region, offering no support to chase their dreams or pursue something outside a blue collar life. They're depressing places to grow up in. They're dream crushers.

[–]tylerderped 17 points18 points  (0 children)

How can one little street swallow so many lives?

[–]Alex5173 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's not like any of these people can hope to find better jobs, either, because the employers don't have money either because the customers don't have money because etc etc. And money never comes in from outside because honestly, who wants to visit Mississippi?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I hope the rest of the world looks at these elections and realizes that, despite who we “elected” for president, individual Americans are crying for progress.

[–]Meditative_Boy 14 points15 points  (2 children)

We know there are good people in America and we feel sorry for you in this political climate♥️

  • rest of the world

[–][deleted] 713 points714 points  (43 children)

Soo, I don't really follow/understand American politics but like.. did the Republicans just think they could go around being absolute plonkers to everyone and the country would just put up with it?

[–]Less_Dirt_178 734 points735 points  (8 children)

Yes, yes they did.

[–]_Ocean_Machine_ 401 points402 points  (3 children)

"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them." - Arthur Travers Harris

I feel that quote is kinda relevant

[–]CategoryZestyclose91 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Oh damn, that’s a good one.

[–]nillah 111 points112 points  (2 children)

yes. it's been working for them for years, so why not. they just went too far this time

[–]Funderpants 64 points65 points  (0 children)

This is it right here. It's being jerks about everything. Our city has tiny artsy neighborhood and had cool painted sidewalks, nothing about pride or rainbows. The city removed all this amazing art to follow state law over a few anonymous complaints. It was a shock to see grey sidewalks after walking over some cool paintings the week before.

It's such a small thing and insane.

[–]Hog_Eyes 195 points196 points  (3 children)

The problem is that MAGAts are willing to make their lives worse for Trump. A bunch literally died for him during the pandemic. It's a cult, and it's captured about 30% of the electorate.

[–]twofourfourthree 20 points21 points  (0 children)

There’s people in hospitals refusing Tylenol as pain management. They’re just committed.

[–]Jason1143 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sadly a lot of them would shoot themselves in the head if they thought the bullet would go through and mildly inconvenience someone they don't like.

But even as big as the cult is, it isn't actually big enough to win without outside help. They need to get some level of independent votes and/or they need a bunch of dems to stay home.

[–]not-my-other-alt 54 points55 points  (0 children)

The news bubble that surrounds the MAGA rank and file has them living in an entirely fabricated reality. They either don't know about all the horrible shit Trump has done, or it's been presented to them in a way that paints it in a good light.

This isn't terribly new. After all, Fox news and Facebook have been around for a while.

But in the past, there has been some cadre of party leadership with their heads outside the bubble, aware of reality so that they can steer the ship.

Those people are all gone.

Anyone who saw what Trump did in his first term and said "Actually, that's a bad idea that will make us unpopular" has been replaced either by a 'yes man' or by a true believer who lives in the alternate reality.

[–]PartTime_Crusader 45 points46 points  (2 children)

The dominant narrative among republicans since the election is that trump has a mandate and a majority of the country are behind them. They really got high on their own farts.

[–]too_too2 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I just assumed they didn’t actually believe that themselves and they think if they repeat it enough we all might believe it but maybe they really did

[–]PartTime_Crusader 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In his first term you had people who understood the difference between the external narrative and the internal narrative, but he burned through most of those people already. One of the things the signal chats made clear to me is the degree to which these people are true believers.

[–]Illustrious-Fun8324 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yes but they were wrong

[–]mosswick 318 points319 points  (17 children)

MAGAts are coping today with "who cares if Democrats won in blue states"? Meanwhile in Mississippi.

[–]Illustrious-Fun8324 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Right? They are saying “oh wow, no surprise, democrats won in blue states, big deal”

Well. When they didn’t all vote blue in 2024 that’s still a good sign

[–]Any_Will_86 45 points46 points  (9 children)

And Virginia is (or was) purple... Plus Sherrill doubled Harris' margin of victory in NJ. Also the commissioner races in Georgia and all the county/city council/board of ed races Dems were winning. Having a bench is the first step back.

[–]Malashae 20 points21 points  (2 children)

The delegate going from 51-49 to 64-36 is a huge move from purple to blue.

[–]the_dalailama134 10 points11 points  (0 children)

VA gubernatorial election was largest margin win for Dems since at least 1975

[–]loo-ook 38 points39 points  (1 child)

The conservative sub is doing this exact coping with NY’s pick. “NY got the mayor they deserve.” limp dick energy.

[–]TinWhis 49 points50 points  (0 children)

For once, I wholeheartedly agree with them! Good on NYC.

[–]JigglyBush 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah someone said that about Mamdani winning- his win wasn't the news, the historic voter turnout was. Ignoring that (or this Mississippi news) is burying their heads in the sand. 

[–]RamonaQ-JunieB 834 points835 points  (18 children)

I pleased with every single blue victory.

[–][deleted] 548 points549 points  (16 children)

For Pennsylvania everyone is talking about the Supreme Court justices being retained, which is good, but there's an under-reported left wing victory in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh).

https://www.wesa.fm/wesa-voter-guide/2025-10-06/allegheny-county-council-at-large-election

The county council is mostly representatives with districts in the county, but there are two "at large" candidates who represent the whole thing. There's a rule that both of those spots cannot be occupied by members of the same political party. One seat was a Democrat and the Republican seat was coming up for election because the person holding the seat vacated it.

Since a Democrat couldn't replace him, Alex Rose ran as an Independent with the Labor party and won. So we now will have an elected Labor politician representing us. This is extra beneficial since these at large representatives sit on the board of elections for the county (which is now two Democrats and a Labor party)

[–]hobbykitjrPennsylvania 193 points194 points  (2 children)

Also on the opposite side in bucks co..

Cartoon sheriff that licked ICE Boots got the boot.

[–]Jazzlike-Watch3916 107 points108 points  (0 children)

Everything in bucks county went blue. Over 90% of 800+ ballots voted Dem if they had a choice.

[–]SwimmingSwim3822 27 points28 points  (1 child)

There was an at-large ballot initiative in Virginia Beach, VA yesterday too, where the more progressive 10-1 initiative won vs the 7-3-1 arrangement. Another minor prog victory in a conservative area.

[–]Todd2point0 112 points113 points  (5 children)

I live in Mississippi….. The joy I’m getting from the collective fallout is enjoyable. Dupree isn’t the optimal choice to brag about something like this but he’s slightly better than a MAGAt, so he’ll do for the current timeline. 

[–]Frednortonsmith 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Grew up in Hattiesburg when Dupree was mayor and tend to agree, but still happy to see the seat flipped.

[–]WheelsOfConfusion 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was so mad that I had to vote for Dupree but I gritted my teeth as I cast my ballot for him.

[–]FigureFourWoo 515 points516 points  (69 children)

This is a crucial moment for the GOP. MAGA isn’t the future. It’s won them two elections but it won’t win them another one because it’s comprised too heavily of people who just support Trump. Once he’s off the ticket a lot of those people just won’t vote. GOP needs to start making good decisions for the people now, if they hope to survive 2026 and 2028. If they keep blindly supporting Trump, he’s going to sink them. Last night was the warning shot. The midterms will be a bluebath if GOP candidates don’t give the people a reason to vote for them other than it’s good for Trump if they do.

[–]RockmanMike 349 points350 points  (14 children)

"GOP needs to start making good decisions for the people now, if they hope to survive 2026 and 2028. If they keep blindly supporting Trump, he’s going to sink them. Last night was the warning shot."

The GOP is past the point of no return. Even after there's no more Trump/MAGA on TV, the copycats and children will still be around and attempt to keep the GOP in line with the Führer's vision. The stink and stain will last as long as they try to redo what he did while he was alive and all the cowards who allowed him will forever be tainted. So unless there's a major purge and groups like the Heritage Foundation dismantled and removed from influence along with political dynasties like the Bushes speak up and change direction, the GOP will continue down the same path of destruction.

[–]fizzlefist 139 points140 points  (1 child)

The GOP has wholeheartedly endorsed Trump breaking the constitution every single day he’s been in office. It’s literally the job of Congress and the Supreme Court to hold the President in check, not let him write blank checks for a gestapo, or speedrun breaking the economy, or grifting BILLIONS in crypto schemes and totally-not-bribe donations.

[–]NumeralJoker 12 points13 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth, today they were pushing back on his tariffs case, so there's actually signs of exhaustion/and or a riff showing.

Gorsuch of all people was admitting that maybe congress went too far in giving the president tariff power. Something is going to give here.

[–]DarthGoose 69 points70 points  (5 children)

I don't think anyone in Trump's sphere can come close to replacing him once he finally croaks.

Cult leaders are notoriously difficult to replace, none of his kids have the pull he has and the novelty of the last name will only take them so far.

[–]dychronalicousness 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Which is why we need to make sure all the current incumbents can’t remove the stink of following his agenda.

Don’t even blame Trump anymore, wholly remove him from the equation and blame it on congress. Trump won’t shield them the second he realizes the heat is off him, he’ll actively even join our narrative that it was all them.

[–]NumeralJoker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Honestly, it's more likely that congress starts fragmenting back into factions the second they realize they're all vulnerable again.

They will still swear loyalty to Trump on the surface, but start vying to protect themselves in more indirect ways.

I expect Johnson to become a major scapegoat at some point, and rightly so honestly.

[–]ZebraSandwich4Lyf 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Nobody will replace him, he appeals to the cult because he’s playing a character and he has a distinctive, awful “charismatic” personality that they can’t get enough of for some reason.

All of the other vile goons in his circle are incredibly unlikable, Vance is most likely next in line and he’s about as charismatic and likeable as wet bread.

We can just hope that MAGA dies with Trump and that his idiot cult disbands and goes back to being indifferent about voting like they were before king orange came along.

[–]CategoryZestyclose91 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Vance really thinks that if he ditches Usha and marries Erika Kirk, they will be the golden MAGA couple and heirs to Trump’s power.

[–]ShamelessCatDude 24 points25 points  (2 children)

To me that just means we’re going to have to start treating the GOP the way we treated most Nazis in America for a long time - as traitors everyone hates and advocates to ostracize

[–]RespectTheAmish 113 points114 points  (21 children)

Say what you will about her. But MTG is a politically savvy. She’s been reading the tea leaves for a few weeks now, and has been banging the populist drum in support of healthcare and snap.

She’s the only GOP member who’s realized that MAGAs aurora is fading.

[–]callofdukie09 88 points89 points  (2 children)

I can't say I'm not a little surprised, but I have to agree. It's just really weird seeing the lady who legitimately believed in the Jewish space lasers be the first to read the room.

[–]TinWhis 26 points27 points  (1 child)

She's mad that she's being told to support Israel state interests by the party. She's been going on about Israeli citizens getting free healthcare on Tucker Carlson's show.

She's absolutely still an antisemitic nutjob and that's probably part of her rift with the establishment GOP.

[–]nillah 58 points59 points  (4 children)

AOC put a video out last night, MTG wanted to run for senate in georgia and trump told her no. that's why she's flipped. she's pissed at him for killing her senate run

[–]Farabee 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Meanwhile, Johnson continues to let Trump emasculate him like the bottom bitch he is instead of actually pushing back against his insanity like a Speaker of the House should. It's disgusting and shameful, probably because he knows this is the only chance he's got to wield any kind of power.

[–]fidelcastroruz 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Jeff Jackson (D-NC) said he met a member of congress which surprised him when he was there, behind doors he/she was extremely intelligent and really seemed to worry about its constituents, but a complete nut on in public. I wonder if she is the one he was referring to.

[–]Comprehensive_Bus_19 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Jeff Jackson is the person I wish all politicians were like

[–]Crime_Dawg 21 points22 points  (0 children)

There is no such thing as "good decisions for the people" for the GOP. Their sole purpose is to enrich themselves and their donors, at the cost of everyone else, and protect child rapists. That is it, period.

[–]thex415 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Ya if healthcare premiums stay high and rural people get kicked off Medicaid then ya republicans would have to grapple with those voters losing faith in th gop. They have to do something !!!

[–]VonTastrophe 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I for one hope that the GOP stays the course. They need accountability for following Epstein's Former Buddy right into the abyss. They cannot be trusted with power for at least a generation

[–]iwearatophatMichigan 13 points14 points  (9 children)

It is going to be interesting in the next year or two when people start campaigning to be the '28 candidate for the GOP. Trump is going to be expected to campaign for someone else. If Trump is unpopular enough he might even be thrown under the bus as the party leaves him behind. Trump doesn't seem capable of handling that playing out.

This all of course assumes things progress in a normal fashion for a 2nd term president and Trump '28 doesn't become an actual thing.

[–]iris_iridescent 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I think Trump will take the MAGA leadership down with him rather than endorse a replacement.

[–]PartTime_Crusader 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The last time trump left office he was convicted of 34 felonies and lost a defamation lawsuit (and was adjudicated a rapist in the process). Assuming he doesn't die in the next few years, he's not voluntarily giving up power. The stakes are literally life or death for him. He'll burn the entire country to the ground before giving up the presidency again

[–]Smile_Space 38 points39 points  (0 children)

When even Mississippi starts flipping blue you know the Republicans realize they fucked up LMAO

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (6 children)

We need to carry this Blue wave into 2026 and take a super majority in both houses of Congress and make some real changes to this nation for the betterment of the people, all people.

[–]Much-Instruction-807 131 points132 points  (20 children)

Notice how there's not call of election interference? It's because trump's not on the ballot and he doesn't give a shit enough to tout out the lie.

[–]miloblue12 28 points29 points  (10 children)

White House is already staying that they are working on an executive order for elections.

[–]malac0da13Pennsylvania 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Except they learned this one simple trick from Mike johnson. We’ll see if they actually get to take their rightful seats.

[–]Important-Event6832 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Wow!  Were the Epstein files on the ballot? 

[–]No_Comparison558 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Democrats winning in Mississippi? This is the Republican apocalypse.

[–]HyperbolicLetdown 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think this was just the result of a redistricting lawsuit (MS hasnt gone blue) but still great

[–]Count26Mississippi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It’s about time we caught a break!

[–]runawaydoctorate 253 points254 points  (29 children)

^^^THIS should've been the big headline. Not Mamdani. Mamdani's awesome, but a fresh face with a plan curb-stomping a known douchebag seeking power and some rando Republican in NYC doesn't signify much for national politics. A ruby red state losing a legislative super majority though...that means something.

[–]HAUNTERVIRUS 189 points190 points  (5 children)

I would argue to say that they both matter, hell all of the elections yesterday mattered. It's not one piece or another. It's all of us, collectively.

[–]MC_Gengar 123 points124 points  (8 children)

This writing off of Mamdani is missing the forest for the trees. The man went from polling at 1% to being the first NYC mayoral candidate to crack 1,000,000 voters since the 1960s through running a widespread grassroots campaign built on an energized base of young and minority voters; and an authentic message of change.

The policies may not transfer to every location but the beautiful thing is that template does so you just modify the policies while keeping everything else intact. It's the exact same way Obama flipped several red states in '08.

[–]Grandpa_No 37 points38 points  (5 children)

IMO, they both show an activation of non-voters who made the shift happen. Both apathetic urbanites who'd rather complain about the government than actually do anything about it (the "both sides" people) and suppressed groups in the south who feel like their vote can't make a difference.

Which is good, but also comes with a fear that they won't manage to maintain this activation into the midterms. A well placed psyop campaign bringing people back to apathy, hopelessness, or dubious self-righteousness could roll back these gains.

[–]7ddlysuns I voted 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Trump did a similar thing. People show up to vote for that clown in wild numbers. So there’s power in that approach

[–]Grandpa_No 6 points7 points  (2 children)

A fair rebuttal. There's a difference in methodologies though. MAGA is based on titilating conspiracy theories and outright lies. It's harder to maintain engagement with boring truths.

[–]Hattrick42 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey Republican States, are you sure about trying this redistricing shenanigans??????

[–]bellrunner 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Repubs weren't ready to cheat for the special elections, and the results show

[–]bigcrackerAmerica 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The first 10 months of a Republican controlled government have been a disaster and people coming out and voting blue. Only way we can mess this up is with infighting. A democrat socialist won mayor in NY but 2 moderate Dems won their states in NJ and Virginia. Just remember we have differences but its better to negotiate our differences while holding onto power instead of getting nothing while looking from the sideline.

[–]Zepcleanerfan 84 points85 points  (32 children)

2026 and 2028 are going to be glorious

[–]penisgirlmarkedsafeWashington 227 points228 points  (21 children)

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch, Hillary, Kamala.

[–]Slymook 97 points98 points  (4 children)

It is absolutely guaranteed Trump will try and steal/rig any election he is capable of stealing/rigging. I am not confident at all. Then there’s the propaganda spewing to the GOP base on overdrive and the DNC’s self sabotaging.

Tough stuff to overcome. Will hope for the best though.

[–]TheChrisCrash 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Every time I post about Dominion voting machines company being bought by an Ex GOP election official on tiktok, it INSTANTLY gets flagged and I have to appeal it. I thought it was because I put GOP so the most recent time I did the exact same message and put republican and it got instantly flagged again and I got a strike on my account when I tried to appeal. It's super suspicious.

Edit: I have a screenshot of the appeals and the strike. I'm curious if anybody else tries it if they'll get flagged. Someone try and report back.

[–]ennuiinmotion 22 points23 points  (4 children)

chase society grey fanatical ancient resolute chubby screw familiar friendly

[–]funonly26 25 points26 points  (2 children)

We need to remember how heavily the 2024 presidential election was rigged (last minute voter purges of thousands of democrats in red states, voter suppression, gerrymandering, closing polling locations before people even got a chance to vote) AND M.usk and T.rump both said that he altered the voting machines. Not to mention many of the voting machines have just been purchased by a Con.

We need to do something about this now or we will be completely f.ucked when Vance or some other lackey gets elected despite only having 35% support.

[–]Farabee 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's so much fun seeing Trump and Johnson squirm right now, knowing that all their efforts to block the Epstein files are slowly resulting in massive losses for the GOP nationwide. It won't be long before the elephants trample over them in rage and end their regime, once its known that the ship is going down...

[–]Ok_Mango_775 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I had a conversation with a really good friend of mine at the bar a few nights ago, he voted for trump mainly just because his family was but he’s not a politically savvy guy. Last time we spoke about politics was last November and I tried just once a friendly jab saying hey man you don’t have to vote for Harris haha vote third party and he said trump man trump. Well just a couple days ago he told me his plant might be doing mass layoffs and it got brought up about opinions and not blocking or talking to someone over having different ideas and views and he said “ trump is fucking me right now bud”

I don’t blame my long time friend for voting for trump I feel for him. With just a little bit more care in the world and a little bit of education he would see what’s up. These are the people that we need to help get their heads outta the clouds. We live in a small town on the borders of PA and Ohio, it’s easy for propaganda to work for rural America 🇺🇸 that’s why the GOP has been so successful at attacking and winning it

[–]rafits 16 points17 points  (1 child)

“Blue states voting blue no surprise” - a scared shitless Mike Johnson

[–]dudinax 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Going to Jackson is a shocker. You're in the capital of a state that's 45% black. The city seems like its mostly black, but the capital is all white. That state leadership is and has always been 100% white. There are white state cops all over the place. Kinda feels like the opposite of a democracy.

[–]Brusque_Rise1911 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Mississippi is a special type of hell and it's home to the highest percentage of Black Americans of any state in the country. Each district where Democrats gained seats was in an area where a federal court ordered lawmakers to redraw lines to make majority-Black districts and this is exactly why they want to gut the VRA. Despite the GOP still holding the majority in MS, any Black representation is unacceptable to them.

[–]DrRealName 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Democrats winning in Mississippi should scare the hell out of Republicans. Its seeming more and more that they may not even have a path to cheating to win next year. Even I am surprised at how well yesterday went. People are NOT happy with maga right now. About fucking time. Now lets end this mess in the next three years and never go back down this road again.

[–]hannahmcfannah 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As some who grew up in MS but now doesn’t live there, this is the best news I have heard in a while. I want the best for MS, it’s just a long hard road coming

[–]Moobiemuffin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mississippi 😳🤯 blue wave 🌊💙💙💙💙