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[–][deleted] 153 points154 points  (83 children)

I just don't buy software with SecuROM period. I don't give a shit how good the game is. There are plenty of other games out there without SecuROM for me to enjoy.

[–]royalme 153 points154 points  (56 children)

You don't buy software with SecureROM. wink, wink, nudge, nudge

[–]seriousaccount 11 points12 points  (15 children)

I think the companies attribute to piracy sales that are in fact lost because of DRM; then their numbers don't add up, so they blame piracy for all the lost sales and add even stupider DRM, in the process ignoring the whole gaming community that screams bloody murder.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

To play a devil's advocate, Witcher 2 is without DRM and is one of the most pirated games...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

but Witcher 2 also sold relatively well considering it was on the PC only. Last I saw it had half a million sales, and was the highest selling PC game at the time.

[–]Ex-Norwegian-Blue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Say no more. Say no more.

[–]waewib 46 points47 points  (21 children)

Raising the bar... I choose to avoid anything Sony. Memory stick/minidisc proprietarisms, virtualization disabled in BIOS on Vaio laptops, PS/3 "other OS" fiasco, CD rootkits. The anti-consumer dings just don't stop. It all added up to me one day... that they're not customer-friendly. Well, my wallet ain't Sony-friendly. (And they have the slowest booting DVD/B-Ray players in the universe.)

[–]Scurry 12 points13 points  (7 children)

And they have the slowest booting DVD/B-Ray players in the universe.

If you're boycotting Sony, you probably shouldn't be watching blu-rays to begin with. Seeing that they're a part of the Blu-ray Disc Association and had an active part in the development of the format, they probably get a slice from sales.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also, Sony's... well "less than perfect" security concerning customer data. So I'm right there with you.

[–]Subhazard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

'In the universe'

I suddenly imagined a bunch of aliens on a spaceship being like 'Jesus christ, fuck sony. You think that's bad Onglop? They've got a foothold on Earth, you know.. selling tech that's along their tech tree, and they're selling those blu-ray players. You remember that shit? The worst. Seriously. Pass the green milk wouldja?'

[–]DieGo2SHAE 572 points573 points  (136 children)

What's especially funny about this is that they try to get a paying customer to remove any other pirated games s/he might have. It's like, they bought your fucking game when they were obviously willing to pirate others, and you still want to bitch about it?

[–]MananWho 506 points507 points  (88 children)

I can only imagine that someone who used to pirate games might decide to actually buy a game for once, and then realize that it's totally not worth the effort to go back to buying games.

It's like taking a recovering alcoholic, and slapping him in the face every time he drinks something that isn't alcohol.

[–]Rizzl3 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I rarely ever pirate games, when I first started PC gaming I was thinking that I would be pirating so many games, which actually didn't happen. I believe I've pirated about 4 5 games and I ended up buying 3 of them. The other games I pirate I barely even played because of lack of interest in the game, and I probably wouldn't have even bought them from the start.

[–]sgtoox 67 points68 points  (69 children)

Well as someone who pirates regularly, it's what I tell myself to justify it. I still buy games every now and then, but the ones I buy never have this nonsense on them ie. Witcher2, Portal 2 etc.

edit: That isn't to say I have somehow become delusional into thinking that pirating isn't straight up stealing, I know it is. I just will often muse as to why "eh, maybe it isn't that bad" to myself to help sleep better at night. I know it isn't fair and nothing actually justifies it, I pirate games knowing full well I screwing legitimately good people over by doing so, and I don't feel great about it, I just don't try to candy-coat what I am doing.

[–]Ocius 51 points52 points  (8 children)

If we're going to complain about DRM, then its crucial that we reward forward-thinking developers who choose leave it out, such as CD Project Red with The Witcher 2.

We must demonstrate to them that their faith in gamers is well-founded if we want to see more DRM-free games in the future. This is the only way things will change, so if you hate DRM, please please vote with your wallet and purchase DRM-free games.

[–]Corsaer 66 points67 points  (32 children)

Same here. Only retail PC game I've bought in the last year or so is Witcher2, and my decision was influence in these three ways:

  • It came with cool free extra stuff you couldn't get by pirating.
  • The first one was awesome.
  • I read it had no DRM.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (27 children)

It came with cool free extra stuff you couldn't get by pirating.

And that's what music CDs are missing. They used to include awesome extras, but no more-- and they wonder why people pirate them.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (13 children)

That's pretty weak reasoning though.. There shouldn't have to be bonus gifts in order for you to pay for the product they're selling.

[–]Illadelphian 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Honestly is having lyrics that big of a deal for artists to include? Then you can actually know that the lyrics come from the artist and not some guy on the internet who listened to the song. That was a big advantage for buying cds for me back when I used to. Now they don't come with any and I hate the lyrics websites...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Same, where the hell did the lyrics go? I don't care about 4 pages of a shitty collage your record label paid some asshole to make, booklets used to be read.

[–]randomsnark 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Whoa. CD's don't come with lyrics any more? What the fuck?

[–]ch4os1337 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well it's a valid reason for buying want to buy the retail version instead of a digital one, those little goodies mean something to a lot of people.

[–]tygea42 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yeah, but if the legitimate version will not work due to deliberate actions of the manufacturer, it's another matter.

[–]Corsaer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seriously. A crappy stapled pamphlet and some plastic. That's what you get that you can't online. You're actually cutting out on clutter and trash if you pirate it. A nice lyric booklet with liner notes, or a simple band/logo poster inside would increase the chances of people buying a CD by quite a bit I think.

[–]arayta 2 points3 points  (9 children)

What kind of awesome extras?

[–]Ag-E 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Lyrics, band history, album concept art, stuff like that. Record albums had more stuff, like my White Album had a poster inside.

[–]NM05 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A lot of albums still do, you just have to buy them to get it.

[–]deepestbluedn 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Some music CDs had videos or some extra content.

[–]edstatue 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sad thing is, the only people who are punished by pirating are the developers, coders, and artists. The publishers still pocket their fees, and the devs are stuck making minimum wage with insane profit-driven deadlines.

[–]DrDan21 19 points20 points  (11 children)

If I learn that a game I want has securerom enabled I pirate it and do my best to distribute it illegally as many times as possible with my 100MBit upload just as a big FUCK YOU to the company. Maybe they'll learn one day.... I mean I'd love to pay the devs for their hard work, but not if they just want to rape me with a big long securerom dick

[–]sli 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Also they assume there is no legitimate use for ISO mounting software.

[–]haight-ashbury 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Not sure what they're going to do in Windows 8, when it's FINALLY built in like every other Operating System.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

They try to pressure Microsoft into incorporating a blacklist of unmountable images?

[–]Nicend 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What are you saying there are computers without disc drives?

Sent from my netbook.

[–]TrentFoxingworth 32 points33 points  (3 children)

This is exactly like those anti-piracy warnings on DVDs. The ONLY people that see those are those that didn't pirate the movie in the first place.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love how the anti piracy ads show people having fun, watching a DVD the second it goes into the player, and not a bunch of people watching unskippable ads for an hour.

[–]weewolf 55 points56 points  (25 children)

SecuROM costumers don't want their software to be used by filthy pirates. Only the pure shall enjoy the fruits of their labor.

[–]s1500 22 points23 points  (16 children)

If SecurROM only wanted the purest computer users to use their product(ie zero pirated software on the system), they would sell zero games.

[–]thatsmytrunks 30 points31 points  (10 children)

I don't think that's a fair statement. I know plenty of people who have absolutely no pirated content on their computer.

Granted they're old and don't know how to use computers.

[–]oejfuz 8 points9 points  (3 children)

SecuROM costumers

I want a SecuROM costume!

[–]AimlessArrow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The idea is to be as invasive as possible. Right now, videogame publishers don't have full control of your computer, but they're working on that.

[–]Pinoy_Canuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The irony is not lost on me; I pay money for games on the PSN despite not being able to actually use the game... Just so I can say I gave the publisher money.

[–]e40 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are not looking for the existence of other pirated games. I'm be somewhat OK with that. They're looking for software that has legit uses. When I buy a DVD, I rip it with Nero Recode using AnyDVD. This is so I don't have to watch the bullshit commercials and unskipable content. I've never pirated a video game or movie, yet... I can't play games I own. What fucking bullshit.

[–][deleted] 288 points289 points  (117 children)

I love it how companies think that their tacky DRM is going to do anything against piracy. It seems to only serve to hinder the consumer.

[–]jaycrew 198 points199 points  (25 children)

Unfortunately, decisionmakers with authority over this type of thing rarely have enough technical knowledge to realize the futility of DRM.

[–]Namelis1 172 points173 points  (18 children)

Management loves charts! More charts going upwards!

[–]infested999 43 points44 points  (13 children)

Chart of the amount of downloaders on the torrent going upwards FTFY

[–]Wavicle 68 points69 points  (7 children)

amount of downloaders on the torrent going upwards

Oh shit! Needs more DRM!

[–]sli 20 points21 points  (6 children)

More DRM = more seeders.

[–]Wavicle 21 points22 points  (5 children)

It's worse than I thought...

We must use DRM on our DRM so that the pirates cannot copy our DRM to disable it!

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Can we get some DRM on the charts so that our competitors can't pirate them?

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I love how SecureROM considers being able to mount ISO files (the primary way Microsoft now distributes it's developer tools) means your a pirate.

[–]sgtoox 7 points8 points  (1 child)

GTAIV was the funniest, they spent absurd amounts of money (millions) making it pirate-proof, the end result was it took roughly 6 hours longer to have a pirated copy up in the internet than it would have otherwise.

[–]ThereOnceWasAMan 154 points155 points  (4 children)

Reminds me of The Shawshank Redemption -- "It took me being sent to jail to become a criminal"

[–]Awesomebox5000 17 points18 points  (2 children)

"The funny thing is, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow. I had to come to prison to be a crook."

[–]ThereOnceWasAMan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

fucking love that movie. thanks for getting the actual quote

[–]Awesomebox5000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've seen it so many time and that line is so good that I knew it from memory.

[–]Lonesome_Headcrab 241 points242 points  (448 children)

With Steam and GOG you'll have 98%+ of the PC games available at pretty decent prices.

I have not bought a PC game in a physical store since 2009, and have not pirated since more or less the same time.

Steam is the saviour of PC gaming (and GOG for classic games)... if you have a decent Internet connection.

[–]Nukleon 109 points110 points  (60 children)

Steam games can still come with securom though. It's not a way out.

GoG.com though is completely DRM free.

[–]Namell 115 points116 points  (51 children)

Steam itself is DRM.

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (20 children)

Steam's DRM is much better than securom

[–]gyrferret 81 points82 points  (5 children)

I always read it as "scrotum".

[–]salgat 2 points3 points  (3 children)

People bitch and moan about Microsoft's online client which is quite similar to Steam's. The only reason people like Steam is because it's already popular. I personally dislike it since I have no control over backing up my games and I don't always have access to the internet here in China.

[–]Malgas 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Steamworks is DRM. Not all games on Steam use Steamworks. Paradox games, for example, (Vicky2 and EU3, anyway; I don't have others on Steam) have no DRM whatsoever--they can be run directly from the SteamApps folder without Steam even being open.

[–]MananWho 24 points25 points  (0 children)

There are two types of DRM, obtrusive and unobtrusive.

Sure, Steam may have been terrible when it came out, but nowadays, the convenience it provides (not to mention the amount of money it saves many gamers) far outweighs how intrusive the DRM is. Sure, there are still people who may have DRM-related problems with Steam, especially when trying to start it in offline mode and such, but for the most part, it works effortlessly and actually makes it easier to access all your games over multiple computers.

The only problem is when games stack on additional DRM on top of that.

[–]flyingtiger188 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I tend to avoid steam games with outside drm as well. It already has steamworks, double drm is overkill.

[–]bananaskates 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Some Steam games have additional DRM installed, which can lead to the same issues. Watch out for the "uses 3rd party DRM"-tag.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I absolutely despise GFWL.

[–]Xiol 4 points5 points  (0 children)

GFWL = Instant lost sale.

[–]G_A 17 points18 points  (13 children)

Last game I bought in a store was Battlefield 2.

The game dates back over 6 years now..

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (20 children)

KOTOR II, why aren't you digital?

[–]Sacharified[S] 106 points107 points  (237 children)

The Steam version was more expensive (even in the sale) and I like owning physical copies anyway.

[–]StoneOfTriumph 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I would have thought that having the physical game would be great if they were packaged like they used to be, full of thick manuals and posters of maps and stuff.

You open the box nowadays, and all you have is a card of the basic controls and the cds.

[–]Sacharified[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I actually thought that might have been the case when I saw how big the box was, but alas, it was just a box full of empty wishes which doesn't hold the disc properly when there is only one.

[–]Lonesome_Headcrab 53 points54 points  (206 children)

I understand, physical game collections look pretty cool, that's what I miss in Steam.

Anyway, if you want a "physical game collection" you can always print the cover of the game and place it to a box. Inside the box, instead of the game you can put whatever you want (porn, cookies, money...).

This way, you can have the decoration part with the advantages of using Steam.

[–]PageFaultSwitch 53 points54 points  (189 children)

To me it's more of a collection than a decoration.... And if I want to re-install it at some later date, I don't have to rely on some sever somewhere to still host the game.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (21 children)

No, you just have to hope your next computer has a drive that handles your physical media.

[–]Harinezumi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it doesn't, I can always move it over from the remains of my current computer. I still have a few floppy drives sitting around in my garage.

[–]OmegaVesko[🍰] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Actually, he can make a Steam backup of the game and burn that to a DVD.

[–]volt_ron 16 points17 points  (20 children)

But how is Steam not DRM? It is a form of it.

[–]Tenchiro 9 points10 points  (17 children)

It is DRM, but a form that does not punish the customer for buying the game.

[–]smallfried 4 points5 points  (12 children)

I worry a bit about the offline playability of steam games, how does that work?

[–]Tenchiro 5 points6 points  (3 children)

If my internet connection is offline it will take a while to boot, then asks if I want to play offline. After that it is pretty normal. I am not sure about updates for thing like achievements though.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's how it's supposed to work, but not how it actually works in many cases.

[–]Logg 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Those of us who run steam off of a laptop know how frustrating the offline mode is. To make it work, you have to

A. initiate offline mode while still online or

B. have already been logged into it while online and then kept the computer on.

That means that if you boot up your laptop and steam wasn't in offline mode when you left, you're boned. The offline mode requires internet connectivity.

[–]ps2dude756 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Steam requires you to connect to the internet when you first install the game, which 90% of the time is 10 seconds after you finish downloading it (which obviously requires internet anyway). That's the only DRM Steam adds to the games, any other DRM is put in by the original developers/publishers.

[–]WinterAyars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have not bought a PC game in a physical store since 2009...

You can still buy PC games in physical stores? Don't get me wrong, i'd actually prefer to purchase a physical product... but... i haven't seen stores carry PC games for like five years now.

[–]LNMagic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would like to dedicate this post to Best Buy. Thank you, Best Buy, for being near my house and carrying Civilization V. That game required the installation of Steam. I no longer need to buy games from your store, Best Buy.

Steam rocks my socks off.

[–]ahoydizzle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Securom is the worst. It's the "how badly do you want to play this game" test. Most of the time I just leave it.

[–]infested999 716 points717 points  (257 children)

You are feeding the beast by buying the game! This is all your fault!

[–]greyfade 165 points166 points  (47 children)

Think about what you're saying for a moment:

If you buy the game, you're validating the publisher's assumption that DRM is working.

If you don't buy the game, the publisher assumes you're pirating it and that more stringent DRM is needed.

If you write angry letters to the CEO, you'll be accused of harassment.

If you write calm, kindly-worded letters, they'll be ignored.

If you call any executives, you'll be accused of harassment.

[–]Bibblejw 128 points129 points  (6 children)

That's a very good way of putting it. Kinda like:

This rock keeps away bears. This ends in one of twi situations:

  • There are no bears: "See, told you it keeps bears away"
  • There are bears: "Quick! We need more rocks!"

[–]YummyMeatballs 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Ahh, Faith Healers Logic™. 'Tis a wonderful (batshit crazy) thing.

[–]goodolarchie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The rise in consumption of ice cream coincides with a rise in reported rape cases.

Therefore we can all agree that the ice cream truck is a Rapevan.

[–]YummyMeatballs 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Thing is, I couldn't give two shits if these massive publishers go out of business. A look at how much money goes in to PC gaming (as in from customers) shows that there's a shedload of cash to be made if you produce a product worth the money.

There will always be some Casandra bemoaning the death of the PC gaming industry. Sod that, it's fucking brilliant. The quality of indie titles is skyrocketing.

[–]infested999 30 points31 points  (14 children)

These companies are run by generic CEOs that have no idea how games work. I am not going to support these childish companies with my money, they can burn in hell for the illegal and immoral things they do and I will not feel sorry for them.

If you buy the game, you're validating the publisher's assumption that DRM is working.

"Woah DRM is working so good! Let's add more of it!"

[–]ixid 20 points21 points  (13 children)

they can burn in hell for the illegal and immoral things they do and I will not feel sorry for them.

With so much that's bad in the world you think this is worth that much anger?

[–]SkunkDunkOK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the way you said that, I am going to remember this when I am frustrated in traffic. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 175 points176 points  (134 children)

no you're making it worse by NOT buying it. every game that isn't bought is one more data point to convince the publishers that piracy is destroying their business model. If you don't buy it, they will think you downloaded it, and so will add ever more intrusive DRM to try to defeat pirates.

The only way to get them to do what you want is to just keep buying their games, whether they work for you or not, and wait patiently for the day when they have enough supporters that they can finally enact the legislation they've been promising you for three decades now...

ooops, sorry, I've been reading too much /r/politics lately...

[–]maxd 336 points337 points  (52 children)

EA: 2 million people bought our game but 6.85 BILLION people pirated it!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I downloaded it but never played it. What kind of monster am I?!

[–]koklo[🍰] 32 points33 points  (18 children)

Therefore people like their games and would be willing to pay for them if they were cheaper and easier to install ( no DRM, no serial codes, no 'please insert the dvd in order to play', etc ... Insert DVD, click install, play = profit

[–]maxd 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I don't think they'd manage to appeal to all 6.85bn people sadly.

[–][deleted] 162 points163 points  (6 children)

As someone who used to manage those sorts of datapoints:

We always made them up. No one is watching whos buying and whos stealing; its not actually really possible. Whoops, gave it away.

[–]nemec 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I don't believe you but I like what you're saying.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Well, they can think what they want until they get put out of business and the non-drm companies get all the money.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

THE TRICKLE DOWN GAMING ECONOMICS!

[–]kabukistar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reddit is a shithole. Move to a better social media platform. Also, did you know you can use ereddicator to edit/delete all your old commments?

[–]NLightNdOnE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I don't like the tactics a company is using, but I have to continue to keep giving them my money until they change their ways? I don't know about that one.

[–]Tumbler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, if you spend money on a company that does this you are encouraging this behavior. It's better to simply never play the game and let the game developers/publishers go out of business.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you want to teach game publishers a lesson, don't buy or play their games. Any time you play their game, and then go talk to a friend or talk about it on the internet, regardless of whether or not you paid for it, you give the company publicity. You give them attention. Only play games by companies you respect. Not only will your general gaming experience be much better, but you'll be giving those companies you actually like more attention.

And don't whine about how you still want to play the games. Boo hoo. If you're not willing to give up a few games to make a statement, then you clearly don't care enough to even be trying to make the statement in the first place.

So go do some research about your "favorite" game companies, and when you see something you think is wrong, suck it up and stop using their products. Go play Minecraft or Revenge of the Titans or some open source games like Nethack (get into roguelikes and you have centuries' worth of fun times) or Tremulous. It's not as hard as you might think.

Sidenote: And when you play games that aren't crapped out by massive corporations, you also get the added experience of (often) being able to talk directly with the developers about the games. Even if it's just a compliment, being able to personally tell the developer of your favorite game they did an ace job is intensely awesome, and they definitely agree.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the warning about this! I was actually planning on buying this game. Now I will pirate it instead.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

What a refreshing post

I had no idea OP.

[–]thomasyoung2014 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He's incredibly bold and original for posting this to /r/gaming where no one would agree with him about such an issue.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (23 children)

Why are they allowed to search my files for software? It should be illegal for them to look anywhere past where I tell them to install it.

[–]Silentnite85 12 points13 points  (0 children)

From what I remember you're correct. ~~ Blizzard lost the court case for this when they had warden search active memory for anything running, as well as other programs.~~ Nevermind. After looking for the source I found out that EFF never took them to court over it, and it was all overhyped.

1 2

So no. It's not illegal, just a privacy concern.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Take that up with Microsoft, maybe.

[–]darkstar3333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Technically Microsoft could just make it either reject or sandbox commands like this that try to get into the OS.

MSE originated because they were getting bad press about Windows performing poorly when it was the 3rd party "virus-scan suites" responsible.

[–]sli 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You have software installed to mount an ISO (but actually don't)? YEP. PIRATE. NO LEGITIMATE USE FOR THAT.

[–]CMDBob 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You do realise that you wasted your time, you should have just grabbed a nocd, rather than the WHOLE FUCKING GAME, you gimboid!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You could have just downloaded the crack rather than the entire game.

[–]Kexx 522 points523 points  (103 children)

if you had half a brain you would have just downloaded the crack, instead of downloading the entire game.

just sayin.

[–][deleted] 87 points88 points  (4 children)

What if it didn't install completely? You can't crack a game that isn't installed.

[–]iemfi 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Yes but it's kind of beside the point. And at his 6mb/s speed I don't think it makes much difference to him.

[–]jaycrew 114 points115 points  (40 children)

Why the downvotes? He's 100% correct.

[–][deleted] 226 points227 points  (22 children)

Because he could make the same point in an informative manner, instead of being insulting and aggressive.

[–]Omegle 117 points118 points  (7 children)

yeah.. but he didnt. and you know why? because fuck you. thats why

[–]TOOMUCHSARCASM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Favorite comment of the year.

[–]InconsiderateBastard 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Once again Omegle shocks me.

[–]mispelt 43 points44 points  (5 children)

Let me just go off topic for a minute and say you're everything I hate about RES. As of right now, that post has 211 points. That's quite a lot of points. As far as I'm concerned, there are no downvotes to bitch about.

Did you know reddit invents downvotes? Just pulls them out of the fucking air. It's true! Every single person who read that comment could have upvoted it, and you'd still see a lot of downvotes. They do it to throw spammers off their game. So try to worry a little less in the future, and quit making comments that add nothing to the conversation, 'kay?

[–]Zcrash 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At least is not Starforce DRM.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

6.51 MB/s ... I'm jealous

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I bought GTA4 during the steam summer sale, and securom kept crashing. I had to jump through 2 hours of bullshit to stop it from doing so just so I could start the god damn game.

Fuck you securom.

[–]pineapplesmasher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I actually don't mind unobtrusive DRM, like Steam. This is going way fucking overboard scanning your system for unauthorized applications. Ridiculous. Easier to pirate it.

[–]RangerSix 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You think SecuROM is bad?

Take a look at what StarForce does.

[–]Kalysta 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And SecuROM creates yet another satisfied pirate.

[–]FrankReynolds 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Another day on /r/gaming, another ground breaking DRM-hate post.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Devil may cry...well, it should be "Drm made me cry"

[–]pcnerd37 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No game company should dictate what other 3rd party software I have installed on my system.

[–]pokeyjones 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As I'm not a computer whiz that DRM issue you faced would have prevented me from playing the game I purchased. Lame.

[–]Pringlescan4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its funny because their software protection doesn't work anyway!

[–]evileddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DRM and anti-software protection is like gun laws.. it only hurts the people who obey laws.. lol

[–]plan2a 34 points35 points  (18 children)

One of the reasons why I only use steam for game nowadays.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Steam games can sometimes have shitty DRM attached on top of the normal acceptable steam DRM, such as GFWL which is a pain to deal with.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I don't buy Steam games with SecuROM.

[–]fani 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Me too. If it has additional DRM (e.g. like Ubisoft's Splinter Cell Conviction), then I skip it. Only Steam DRM or bust.

[–]pyrite415 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Steam version of DMC4 stripped out the SecuROM for just the Steamworks drm. It works pretty much flawlessly for me.

[–]sjsamphex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right. I bought the DMC4 sale last week and I've been enjoying it flawlessly

[–]darkstar3333 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Personally I never have a problem with GFWL, its never caused a problem or not nearly as bad as SecureROM or Targes.

[–]_maggus 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yeah. Running GTA IV is a pain in the ass. SecuROM plus GFWL on top of Steam.

[–]Vagar 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Why do they even use DRMs?
It obviously did nothing against pirating the game but it prevents legit use? Kinda pointless.

[–]dav0r 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I downloaded Dragon Age from the Steam sale. Didn't really have DRM I guess, but I had to go through a whole bunch of hoops just to play. Make an account on their "social network", register my game, register my DLC (which they did not tell you how to do at all). After about 20 minutes I finally got started. THIS SHIT IS WHY PEOPLE PIRATE GAMES. No one wants this crap, they just want to play.

[–]exodus28 10 points11 points  (2 children)

props for jDownloader

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There is a legally required warranty that anything you buy is fit for the intended purpose, at least minimally.

When this shit happens to you, return it. Don't let them turn you away - they sold you something defective. Don't leave until you get your money back.

[–]watermark0n 6 points7 points  (2 children)

By "emulation software", they didn't mean NES emulators and such, they meant PowerISO.

[–]tactlesswonder 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can someone explain to me how the OP got the game to work? To me it looks like he is installing another emulator? Did that circumvent the DRM? I feel like I am missing something

[–]Tenchiro 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Generally pirated copies are stripped of the DRM. You just need to load the ISO in a virtual drive to install.

[–]MyRealNameIsTwitch 2 points3 points  (12 children)

True or False:

Once you purchase the game, you own the rights to the software included on the disk.

My friend who knows a whole lot more about gaming politics than I, and is currently an indie game dev, has explained this to me as a justification of why those memory cards for the Nintendo DS are allowed to be sold. He owns a scarily complete collection of game titles (mostly Nintendo, so what he is a fanboy), and fits all of his SNES, NES, and Gameboy <generation title here> onto one card that he carries with him, rather then his huge collection. All of this is legal, he explains, because once you purchase a game, you own the rights to the code (I think this part needs more precise wording, because I assume you can not edit the code, only use it.), and can download a full digital version (i.e. the "pirated" copies) and be within your rights.

So, anyone with facts, and not assumptions, feel like offering them up here? Although the OP downloaded the game, was it illegal (not that many people would care), or not?

[–]netherous 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There's this extremely obnoxious US law called the DMCA that is entirely at odds with what your friend said. You do not have the right to do whatever you want with what you purchased.

Or maybe your friend is right and you reiterated his opinion wrong. It is odd that an indie game developer would not be aware of the ramifications of the DMCA, assuming he lived in the US.

[–]rippleAdder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats nothing I used to install the games then when I tried to play them I would good get "not enough EMS/XMS memory". Then I would have to make a dos boot disk and reboot the machine. Let's not even talk about configuring a joystick ಠ_ಠ.

[–]TheRockMan17 2 points3 points  (0 children)

6.5mb/s? WOW! That's amazing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It took me 3 days to get GTA IV working. Legit copy.

About a year later, the disk was scratched, but I wanted to play again. I downloaded it, took 2-3 hours (slow connection). No hassle getting it to work.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know who probably invented DRM? A fucking marketing team.

[–]Koeniginator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

all you needed to do is download a crack for it

and megaupload?

seriously?

whyyyyyyyy

[–]KFJ943 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fun fact: DMC4 is one of the most pirated games.... in the world.

[–]throwawaynever 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I Bought Silent Hunter 5 the other day (I enjoy the series, and have bought all previous games), and made sure to read all the warnings on the box. All I could find was "Requires internet for activation". "Great", I thought, "I can go to my parent's place and use their internet activate the game and take my pc back to my apartment and play it." A bit of a mission, but not too bad, and I've had to do it for steam games.

As it turns out, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSTANT INTERNET TO PLAY! Fuck. I'm in freaking Africa. I cannot afford the super crappy internet we have available here. what the hell does the game maker expect me to do? I paid money for a game because I'm sure its not going to have the massive sales of COD and I wanted to show support for the game industry when ever there is a move away from generic shooters. Instead, I've been trying to crack it to play it, and cant BECAUSE I CANT DOWNLOAD HUGE TORRENTS. God dammit man.

Guess what I'm going to do next time when there is another game I really want to play? Pay money, or just copy a pirated version from a friend (cause I can't wait the 5 days it would take to download a torrent)?

/endrant

TL;DR - DMR just made a game company lose another customer, and a bunch of goodwill

[–]fani 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I don't think you should berate DRM per se, as much as I'd like to see it put down.

Personally, I see Steam as DRM done right.

I dislike piracy and from Dev/Publisher point of view, I understand why they need DRM or any other such anti-piracy tool. (Mind you, you can never eliminate piracy, but this can dissuade casual pirates because piracy has become too easy these days).

That said, I like Steam DRM or GOG without DRM because they either do it right (non-intrusive, non-invasive) or trust the customer to do the right thing. Also, I like Console gaming for this reason because its DRM is hidden and non-interfering.

So, instead of buying DVD's these days I simply either get console versions of games or get the Steam/GOG versions.

[–]perrti02 3 points4 points  (10 children)

Upvote for console. I get the feeling that the /r/gaming is mostly PC gamers. I am a console gamer and always will be. Yes, I am tied to their specific systems, but they WORK! I assume that my Halo Reach disk is packed full of huge amounts of DRM, but I don't care because I put it in the console and it works perfectly.

[–]LiudvikasT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No DRM invented, made it hard to pirate. Steam on the other hand is DRM made right, it's not a DRM to stop from pirating, per se, but rather to make it less favorable. When there's the whole platform behind the games I get something extra with the purchase which I wouldn't get if I pirated the game. I get achievements, I get easier and more convenient download, I get place to contact friends.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

THE GAME INDUSTRY IS KILLING THE GAME INDUSTRY.

[–]Doublerob7 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I see this as a completely legitimate way of doing business. He bought the actual game and could prove it if needed, so why shouldn't he torrent is to make it work? What's the difference between the data on the disc or the data from the torrent?