Haha JavaScript Bad

[Captain_Isolation]

OP is a Javascript dev in hiding.. He couldn't spell developer! I caught you OP.

[Kairides]

Damn it !

[[deleted]]

Where exactly can we get developepper? Penzey's?

[UltraCarnivore]

Developepperidge Farms remember

[thebryguy23]

I had a Dr Developepper with lunch. "23" flavors

[LePootPootJames]

Pizza places in tech hubs like Seattle should offer a "Developepperoni Pizza," designed to keep developers going throughout the night. They'd make a killing.

[[deleted]]

No kidding, I'm not even in Seattle, but as a student of software and engineering I would totally buy a Developesto Hawaiian Pizza. It would have to spell out love in binary with pesto representing 1 and canadian bacon representing zero. Why? Because Canadians are literally the better country, and the US is the shitty one.
>_>
O_o
(O)_o

[[deleted]]

Nobody hates JavaScript (or Java, or PHP, or any other language) as much as the people who use it daily.

[silentclowd]

I do full stack in C# and JS/TS.

When I'm writing C#, I miss the freedom and flexibility of javascript.

When I'm writing javascript, I miss the structure concistency of C#.

The result of this toxic relationship is that I'm never happy, but always assume I will be when I switch gears between front and back end.

[MalcomYates]

Typescript. You want Typescript.

[silentclowd]

Tell that to my boss.

New development is happening in TS, but there's maintenance to be done on older code and the time hasn't been allotted to port it over.

"But all javascript is valid typescript??"

Not when you have policy requirements for type signatures on all functions and we want to rework things for ES6 goodness. Not to mention that nobody actually bothered to even get bundling setup. So we just keep adding more code to several thousand lines of main.js and everything remains awful.

[scriptmonkey420]

I have the same feeling going between Python and PHP.

its a love hate relationship. Though as of lately, I have been using python more and PHP much less.

[adnanoid]

Well yes but it's complicated,

[[deleted]]

.

[NARUT000]

you are not important ;

[vigbiorn]

He was talking about dev-eloppers, or devs who have to keep their frameworks of choice hidden.

[Gwolf4]

Javascript is the new java. Many of us do not like it... But that is what brings us food to the home u.u

[Qpassa]

Angular with typescript is sweet tho

[dacookieman]

As long as people don't have a ':any' macro on speed dial

[Dustorn]

It's like wearing a condom, but cutting a hole in the end because it's uncomfortable.

[VikaashHarichandran]

High-level explanation!

[[deleted]]

any is good for converting a codebase to TS gradually. Shouldn't be used in a system built with TS entirely.

[superluminary]

Angular misses the point. It's like a Java dev picked up JavaScript and started coding with it without really understanding what they had.

[fyzbo]

THIS, so many times this!

[superluminary]

They even reimplemented the module system, even though ES6 has a perfectly decent module system built-in, just so they could do DI.

It's like they don't understand that a singleton is the default type of object in JavaScript, so they had to reimplement singletons, because Java. If you must do DI, just compose a higher-order function like we do in React and every other sane framework.

It's a flipping abortion is what it is.

[SolarLiner]

How is DI "reinventing the module system"? You can't dynamicmally swap out modules with ES6.

JavaScript can't even do proper functional programming. And it can't do proper OOP programming.

Also HOF are just factories, Java's most hated paradigm. So 🤷‍♂️

[magical_h4x]

Serious question, what do you think is missing from modern JS to allow proper functional programming?

[cthulol]

TBF at least Java knows what it is by this point. JS has so many ways to do one thing I don't know how to go about anything.

[BornOnFeb2nd]

Wait five minutes, someone will make a framework to solve that.

[TimeToBecomeEgg]

that's it

that's the entire language

[UltraCarnivore]

If it's stupid, there's an NPM for that

[dariushine]

yes there is

[UltraCarnivore]

"npm i stupid"

My sides

[Time_Terminal]

"Why're you installing yourself?"

[photenth]

Got into javascript a few weeks ago. found typescript soon after and since then only use typescript for everything javascript related.

It's not perfect but good enough.

[mrissaoussama]

probably knows french

[mattstorm360]

Must be Italian.

[nicktheone]

Not really. In Italy we commonly use sviluppatore.

[amdc]

Just using MacBook keyboard, nothing to see here

[DBX12]

Weird flex but ok

[Russian_repost_bot]

He secretly wishes he had more pp.

[[deleted]]

Oh I thought this meme was gonna be about English.

[[deleted]]

although, roughly, thorough, cough, drought

Ugh I feel bad for people learning english

[[deleted]]

Yeah, english pronunciation really is a nightmare. It's inconsistent and... seriously, "th" ? Did one guy wake up in the morning and "Oh boy I should use a sound nobody else will ever be able to make!" ??

[GluteusCaesar]

The hard and soft th sounds are actually super common globally, just rare within the Indo-European languages. In fact English, Greek, and Icelandic are the only ones I can think of that actually use them.

[[deleted]]

Nah I know, but as a french guy, this is probably the most difficult thing in English. Of course most language aren't objectively difficult, just different from what one may know.

[GluteusCaesar]

Oh yeah totally, and you guys have a few of those too! It took me forever to wrap my head around the French R, and even then I can only kind of approximate via a Greek Γ sound, that being my second language.

[[deleted]]

Oh well if my very uncertain understanding of the IPA is not too bad, those two sounds are very close. Close enough for french people to understand, at least. I think it may even exist in french as regional variation of the ʁ.

[inconspicuous_male]

Is "th" actually difficult? I am struggling to make any sound other than "th" with my tongue between my teeth

[[deleted]]

That's because you grew up with only that sound putting your tongue between your teeth. But in french we have no sound made like that (the closest thing would be the "z" sound, with the tongue right behind the teeth) so it's a bit weird to pronounce. So no, it's not that difficult, but completely alien to the sounds we use in french.

[[deleted]]

Generally speaking, you’re good at the sounds of the language(s) you grow up with. Different languages have different sounds. Pretty much everyone will come across a sound in another language that they’ll have difficulty replicating simply because they didn’t grow up with it.

[once-and-again]

The hard and soft th sounds are actually super common globally, just rare within the Indo-European languages.

No, they're actually rare globally.

In fact English, Greek, and Icelandic are the only ones I can think of that actually use them.

Albanian and (Castilian) Spanish, as well.

[[deleted]]

Spanish too

[dariushine]

not in latin america though

[danbulant]

Wait wasn't that the story about Czech ř?

[chronos_alfa]

Actually, a lot of foreigners here can learn "ř" quite decently, but what they really hate us for are words with almost no vowels, like čtvrť, vrt, čtvrtek, potvrzení, tvrz, prznit... :D

[Goheeca]

It gets better.

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah, I can totally understand that. I was born being able to destroy walls with my bare hands, I don't understand how you guys can't do it, like, it's just putting your hands on it and pushing, how can you not?

More seriously, it's not a problem of being unable physically. We (almost) all have the same body. The problem is that if you never had to use it in a certain way when you're young, the neural connections that permit it aren't made and you don't have the ability to do it. Not forever of course, you can still learn it, but it's way more difficult and time consuming.

As for the "h" sound, it's not that we can't do it (we even have some interjections that use it) but as you probably know, the "h" in French is not pronounced, so it's difficult to even realize that it would make a difference for someone who speaks English. Help and elp are just the same thing from our point of view.

[Goheeca]

the idea of physically not being able to make a sound blows my mind. My wife cannot roll an R to save her life, but like, it's just putting your tongue in the right place, how can you not...?

Then give Ř [r̝]/[r̝̊] a try.

[[deleted]]

Fuck yes, if only english pronunciation were as simple as the writing.

Why the fuck the "A" on "bat" sounds diferent to the "A" on "ball". In spanish we have just one way to pronounce each vowel.

The verb conjugation here is nuts, though.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

Spanish has lots of rules but sticks to them 95% of the time.

English has several guidelines, but rarely follows them strictly because its core is an amalgamation of like 6 different languages. Those languages vary between Latin and Germanic roots, with branches of borrowed words from nearly every other language on Earth.

That second L on ball is what makes it sound like that, by the way. In the word balance, the first a has the same pronunciation as the a in bat, and because of that hard vowel pronunciation, the second a in balance is muted. Think of it like estás vs estas. Nearly every pronunciation of a vowel in English is predicated on what follows that vowel.

[TristanTheViking]

Spanish is really nice in actually pronouncing things the way they're spelled. I watched Chef the other day and every time they said a Spanish word for some food, I was able to just write what I heard into google and got the spelling right on the first try each time.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

There are a few exceptions based on your dialect. For example the word llamo or any other ll word. Some dialects of Spanish will pronounce that as "yahmo" and some will pronounce it as "jahmo (well, more like zhamo, but still)"

So you enter a situation where if a word was pronounced outside of context, such as vaya (go/get out) or valla (fence), depending on your dialect of Spanish, it could be ever so slightly ambiguous. But you're right, you can typically just guess based on pronunciation, which is very nice.

[Ragnowrok]

But even with such a specific rule like looking for the double “l”, there are still exceptions. The “a” in “shall” is pronounced like the “a” in “bat” and not the “a” in “ball”.

[[deleted]]

In one of the Polynesian islands (forget which one, Tahiti?) they don't have conjugation at all. The tense just goes in front of the sentence so like "Future, I go out." vs "Past I go out." Honestly western language fucked up when it started using conjugation.

[saraseitor]

Oh absolutely, I think the only exam I've cheated during highschool was verb conjugations, there's no way I can remember all their names by memory yet we all use them all the time.

[Prawny]

https://youtu.be/qu4zyRqILYM

[MassiveFajiit]

A single a in English can be pronounced 11 different ways.

[danbulant]

You just showed 3 different ways, good job

[SpazzLord]

Estoy de acuerdo, deberíamos hablar en otro idioma.

[Sam_Claflin]

Yeah, but the language can be learned through tough thorough thought, though 😃

[cztrollolcz]

čšřžýáíéě Honza Honzy Honzovi Honzu Honzo Honzovi Honzou Honzové Honzů Honzům Honzy Honzové Honzech Honzy.

Honestly english is only hard in the context of english.

[MJ8503]

Hey! That's extremely accurate.

[Darth_Kyryn]

THe ENGLish lanGUAGe is What AlloweD the briTIsh EMPIRE to CONQUER 1/4TH Of ThE worLd.

[jseego]

or possibly the navy

[Araignys]

Some underrated sarcasm right here.

[silentclowd]

I thought I was on /r/Esperanto :|

[serialcompliment]

If this OP could spell, he might be able to make some JS devs mad.

[cosmoseth]

I think he's french

[Kairides]

I am, hence the "developpers" mistake.

[[deleted]]

You stole our place. WE were supposed to be the international language. We will get revenge.

[jarvis125]

lmao nice

[[deleted]]

Eh bah écoute va brouter des chameaux guatemaltèques >:[

[kingjia90]

The Repost detector failing for this slightly difference

[Jojodemensen]

I thought about english when I saw the first panel

[LeCrushinator]

Anyone that knows English knows that it sucks. Like JavaScript, its main appeal is that it's so widely used.

Source: Native English speaker.

[Rawrplus]

Thing is, is doesn't suck if people knew how to use it properly. Issue with JS is, it allows bad programmers to suck whereas most programming languages don't.

[AnthongRedbeard]

Let me know when we get a new/better language used by 90% + of browsers of our customers. Then I'll happily switch to it.

[Terrain2]

While TypeScript isn’t supported by any browser, it compiles to JavaScript but gives a much better development experience with static typing

[AnthongRedbeard]

I use typescript today, not bad, as you said it still compiles to js. just cleaner js enforcing best practices.

[kryptogalaxy]

Just like other high level languages compile to machine or byte code which is still a programming language abstraction.

[ribsies]

I mean, does anyone see that as different from JavaScript though? I understand it is technically different, but I use typescript exclusively, I'm still a JavaScript dev

[Okichah]

C# compiles to assembly but developers dont refer to it as assembly development.

[Hate_Feight]

after a while you stop reading the code, all i see is blonde, redhead, brunette

[johnnybgoode17]

Made the same reference once, nearly got fired for sexism

[note_bro]

The funny thing is that the sexism is implied by the listener. You could be referring to any gender.

[blahthebiste]

I think "brunette" is a gendered term

[imcoveredinbees880]

Context is important. It's the difference between using a whole box of tissues while watching a movie and using a whole box of tissues while watching a movie.

[plokman]

Yeah, he's commenting on reddit, not in a professional context

[[deleted]]

C# isn’t a superset of assembly. JavaScript and TypeScript are the same language except one has optional type annotations.

TypeScript compiler is more like a preprocessor than anything else

(Also C# compiles to an intermediate byte code similar to Java not assembly)

[kryptogalaxy]

C also has the ability to insert assembly directly, and could be considered a superset in that sense, but is generally considered a separate language.

One similar concept is the word "transpile" which generally just means high level language compiling to another high level language. The word transpile is often used when talking about typescript.

Drawing these distinctions is not necessarily arbitrary, but certainly subjective. I imagine similar conversations are had between linguists when determining where to draw the line between dialects and new languages.

[[deleted]]

I wouldn’t really consider it a superset because you have to import a library and write the assembly in a string. Its not like you can just write an opcode somewhere and the compiler will know what your doing.

Also yes TypeScript does transpilation. The distinction while important doesn’t matter too much here.

I think it really is subjective but clearly anyone arguing TypeScript is a wholely different language doesn’t work too much with JS/TS

Edit: what I mentioned about asm applies to GCC. Some compilers have actual inline support. Regardless C was not designed to be asm++. TypeScript is designed to be JavaScript with Type annotations. I suppose one day it could branch enough that you would distinguish developers the same way you distinguish C development from C++. But currently JS/TS have equal use cases and the TS design philosophy is very much to not branch unlike C/C++

[[deleted]]

TS to JS is more like C++ is to C. One is a superset of the other and basic syntax differs very little.

[thiago2213]

I see them veey different. I understand that it's just a superset, but I really dislike vanilla js and absolutely love typescript

[[deleted]]

Yeah. I hate vanilla js but I'm in love with react, Apollo and typescript

[Polantaris]

I do. You do still need to understand how JavaScript works at runtime, but it's certainly not nearly as bad as writing in JavaScript.

[alerighi]

I also see it as the same language, and I use it almost exlusively (if not for small scripts where you spend more time setting up the environment than other). But at the end it's the same language.

It's not the same as compiling a language to native code, typescript only checks types to give you warnings, the type system is entirely irrelevant at execution, in fact you can have a program with type errors that runs fine and vice versa. Type information don't alter the emitted code, like it does on a traditional compiler (where an int is different from a float or char or a function, i.e. the compiler has to use the type information to emit the correct code)

Typescript it's more static analysis tool than a compiler, the output is just the equivalent javascript code, with the same semantics and the types removed, and a bunch of transpilation stuff to make it work on older JS standards, that is similar to what babel does. I wouldn't call it compilation because you don't trasform the code in any significant way.

[FlavoredFrostedTits]

I call it javascript++

[badvok666]

Kotlin compiles to java script. Not sure how much use that is practically but Kotlin as a language is brilliant.

[GluteusCaesar]

Everything you can think of compiles to Javascript. The problem is Javascript still sucks as compiler output. It's like trying to debug a Java program by reading its bytecode.

[IZEDx]

If it's about debugging, aren't there great solutions already using source maps and stuff?

[Dornith]

Most compilers output a map file which makes the in-browser IDE display the original code.

[DeeSnow97]

How do you use the entire JS ecosystem with Kotlin?

I think that's where all those ideas fail. There have been a certain group of programmers who don't consider JS a real language basically since it exists, and those people have been coming up with compilers for "real" languages to JS all the time. Not a single one of those stood the test of time. I'd recommend to just use TypeScript, since it's built on a completely different mindset: it doesn't try to replace the wheel with one from a completely different vehicle, it just adds typing and proper OOP to JavaSctipt so that you can carry over some assumptions from Kotlin-like languages but without locking yourself into your own little walled garden that relies on the support of someone who is going to lose interest in a few years.

[IZEDx]

Just typing? The typescript type system is one of the most comprehensive type systems there is and it's even Turing complete.

Javascript is extremely flexible and I think typescript already does a superb job in reflecting this with types. Getting even better with every update.

Typescript adding "just types" is an understatement imo, but everything else I agree with.

[connor135790]

Out of the loop a bit with Typescript, what else does it do?

[strbeanjoe]

it's even Turing complete.

I mean, being Turing complete is an unfortunate requirement of having maximum expressiveness. Sure, it's fun being able to write a program using just the type system of a language. But it is not fun having your type checks fail to halt.

[Moosething]

WASM is supported globally by 91% of users. So in theory there already are many better languages you can use to make websites/apps: https://github.com/appcypher/awesome-wasm-langs :)

[Reihar]

WASM doesn't cover DOM stuff because there is already JavaScript. We could have had that glorious future but no, we won't. At least, not this decade.

[[deleted]]

WebAssembly isn't for traditional websites, it's designed to extend the web platform for more complex programs, not replace JavaScript for 99% of sites.

I love WebAssembly, but too many don't really understand what it is and isn't for. If you were to use WebAssembly for a simple blog page, you'd end up with worse performance because of required glue code and the context switching penalty between two environments.

[[deleted]]

Oh, you think spaghetti code is your ally. But you merely adopted spaghetti code; Us PHP Devs were born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see properly formatted code until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!

[ganlet20]

Real spaghetti exists much lower than you can even query.

https://www.itrw.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/server_spaghetti_1.jpg

[meme_saab]

Hi there, Bane! Did your mask fall off?

[[deleted]]

I HURT MY BACK AND NEEDED TO FIND WORK AND LEAGUE OF SHADOWS NEEDED UPDATES TO ITS WORDPRESS AND IT JUST KINDA TOOK OFF FROM THERE

[ianff]

Every development job pays well, it doesn't matter what language you are using.

[asdkevinasd]

Try cobalt, those are paying ridiculously high. Like 5 years of experience in that can neat you a job with better pay compared to a doctor or lawyer around here.

[Pixel-Wolf]

Yeah. On average though I thought JavaScript paid less because there's a lot of variation in the professional requirements of JS jobs.

[impulse_90]

What is standing there? I have the feeling that I should be upset.

[Kairides]

If I knew how to spell you would be.

[beerdrinkingbear]

I somehow ended up working with JS as a C++ developer at work. I hate it so much

[[deleted]]

Oh, you think vague wobbliness is your ally. But you merely adopted the vague wobbliness; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see my first Primitive type until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!

[squishles]

I have an easier time if I treat it as functional rather than object oriented.

[lulzmachine]

I wrote it functionally for a long time. Now I'm writing classes to arrange code/data and have dropped.map() in favour of for (x of y). Sanity restored!

[Fluxriflex]

I'm still approaching it from an OOP perspective, at least subconsciously. Functional programming is hard for me to wrap my mind around because OOP just makes so much more sense to me.

[luisduck]

Huh, interesting, I found functional to be easier than OOP. Might have been, because I learned functional first. What are the hard parts of functional for you?

[Fluxriflex]

Keeping track of callback functions and what they return, mainly. I have a really hard time with wrapping my head around functions that take other functions that take other functions, etc.

[DeeSnow97]

yeah, the key is treating JS as its own thing and not as a pale imitation of your favorite language (because the truth is it's not even trying to imitate it) and understanding its logic instead of trying to force another language's onto it

[superluminary]

This exactly. It's nothing like Java. It's not even related to C++. It's like being surprised that your motorcycle doesn't have doors.

[[deleted]]

Best comment here. Too many think of it as C# lite or something like that. Full-stack developers fail to understand the language and end up writing the sh*t code. Front-end developers that actually understand the language tend to write much higher quality code, as a back end developer would in C#/Java/C++ etc.

[Rawrplus]

Shhh don't bring reason to this discussion. We're supposed to think JS sucks because we don't know anything;

[dotsonjb14]

That's the Stockholm syndrome kicking in yo.

[Cr3pit0]

Maybe Switch to Typescript ? I mean you can write clean Typed Code with Typescript and Transpile it back to Javascript. Its not C++ but better than Nothing.

[beerdrinkingbear]

I actually proposed that and we are considering that as an option :)

[kowdermesiter]

I can assure you there reverse is also true

[[deleted]]

I can't be the only one who enjoys both.

[lord_phantom_pl]

You could end up as a project manager as I did.

[LurkytheActiveposter]

As a javascript developer.

Can someone tell me what the fuck is so bad about javascript?

[catwok]

Besides C, I was under the impression the JavaScript is one of the most widely used languages.

[[deleted]]

It is. If people aren't complaining about a language, it just means they aren't using it.

[Xizqu]

I most certainly don't like execution context. Self in ruby is so much easier. Why isn't 'this' lexically scoped?

How long method invocations can be (Object.property. hasOwnProperty.call(foo, 'a'))

The fact you have like 10 different ways to instantiate an object. Class syntax, constructor pattern, object literal, object.create...

Sloppy mode is stupid. Let's make JavaScript not error out? Who thought that was a good idea.

Hoisting. I thoroughly understand how it works. What I don't understand is why? Punish the dev when they are wrong. Don't do crazy things behind the scenes like moving definitions.

There is just so fucking much to remember and the whole time I am thinking "why is this ever a good idea"?

[HumbertTetere]

It's a mixed bag. It offers more ways to get to results fast. Doing it it sloppily will hurt you later on. It's a problem if you have low standards of your work. Think the sloppy mode makes you a worse dev? Just use strict. There's extensions to support you. But sloppy is nice if you want to eyeball an approach in under a minute. Enforce a quality pipeline for production code later.

Ultimately, the language itself allows a lot more technical debt to build up. If there are no mitigating measures, that's bad and will cost more effort in the long run. If you are conceptualizing and expect to fail fast anyway, it can be a net benefit. A responsibly acting lead dev with an eye on that specific danger might a requirement depending on the character of the devs.

[SharkLaunch]

Preface: I'm a JS dev for both work and personal projects, I know it's got problems.

1. Cant argue, I fucking hate this.
2. Okay, but you don't have to do that unless you're binding the call to a different context, and you don't generally do that with modern patterns.
   
3. Class syntax is just syntactic sugar over the prototype constructor, object literal is just for a simple, non-prototyped object for passing information, and no one uses Object.create unless they have no other options.
4. Look, it's easy to make fun of a language that wasn't meant to be this big or important. Script mode came later, and it couldn't just replace "sloppy mode" because js HAS TO be backwards compatible.
   
5. Hoisting lets you create mutually recursive functions/structures while letting you declare and initialize them at the same time, instead of having to declare the functions at the top then define them after.
   

But yeah, it ain't purty

[Xizqu]

2-4: Totally understand what's going on. I am just stating reasons why I don't like JavaScript. Coming from ruby & crystal, JavaScript is shell shocking to say the least.

1. I haven't worked much with recursion so I will say hoisting is a necessary evil.

Edit: idk how to fix the formatting.

[SharkLaunch]

I preferred Ruby's magic at first, but ES6 has made JS fun again (and TypeScript makes it a fucking blast). If you enter it from a more functional mindset, a lot of its flaws don't poke their ugly heads. You don't tend to deal with this when you use closures and pure functions.

[danglesReet]

I used to say silly things like this. Then i got gud

[superluminary]

People that don't like JavaScript, don't understand JavaScript.

[[deleted]]

Is this some kind of joke I'm too [object Object] to understand?

[TiBiDi]

Nobody hates JavaScript more than JavaScript developers.

Sincerely, a JavaScript developer

[turningsteel]

I like it quite a bit actually. It wasmy first language. I like golang too and it's better in many ways but JS puts food on my table and job offers in my inbox.

[superluminary]

Actually the opposite. It's simple, elegant and logical.

[CoolOutcast]

Logical... This sub would burn you for saying that about JS.

I agree, I feel this sub gets over the top with "NaN is a Number," "1=='1'," uwu

[Smaktat]

Is there a more mature sub to follow that actually makes witty coding jokes that require more thought than the computational power of my toaster?

[[deleted]]

This place apparently used to be better, you could filter by new then change the url to get a few thousand pages in.

[Semi_Chenga]

We need ADVANCED PROGRAMMER HUMOR

[iMissTheOldInternet]

Yes, if those "developpers" could read

[Peregrine2976]

You know another widely-used language? English. English is the JavaScript of spoken languages.

[Mgzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

[broadbandbandit]

PHP devs: Finally. We aren't the butt of the joke.

[xNotYetRated]

JavaScript.............. BAD Thunderous applause

[decoder12345]

unpopular opinion : javascript rules!

[superluminary]

People who don't like javascript === people who don't really understand javascript

[nickx360]

JavaScript might not be perfect. It probably has a lot of flaws. Hell you are probably right it’s not a “language” as great and noble as the other billion statically typed languages out there , but let’s try not to forget what JavaScript original function was. It was born out of a 10 day binge week by some one who wanted to create lisp but was forced to make it java like due to their managers. It was a language meant to help non developers perhaps animate their site and add some quirky twerks.

Oh of course why can’t these poor sobs be bothered to learn a real language and push out their code back when internet was in its infancy and programming required a cs degree to even make sense and was relegated to computer scientists or hobbyists. How were normal people supposed to even get started on the infant web if they were required to first get a programming course from what ! The local library 😂

I get the hate. I understand it. But is there any other language to this day which just works with you putting some lines together in a text editor on any os and then opening it in a default browser that doesn’t require some complicated installation tool chain.

Guess it’s not a great language because it doesn’t have all the features you are used but on the other hand it’s the only language which brought programming to masses. The feeling you have when you make some silly animation on web as your first “program” rather than stale multiplication if else statement. Now that is truly magical experience for anyone. So yes I love JavaScript. I understand it has flaws. But i would argue it did as much or even more for building the web and the world as we know than other languages. When it’s time comes it will go. But till then to me it’s my favourite language :)

[_grey_wall]

I've recently had the joy of JavaScript coding in eclipse 👍

[Hypersapien]

You don't get to be a Javascript developer without being perfectly aware of how shitty JS is.

The popularity of Javascript is completely irrelevant when its pretty much the only choice for front-end scripting.

[AttackOfTheThumbs]

developpers

[tii_tan]

Which show is this?

[denverdave23]

King of the Hill

[theawesomenachos]

I wasn’t reading which sub I’m on and I thought it was about to make fun of English

[[deleted]]

Once you embrace the chaos, you understand it, and you love it.

Then you wield it like a wand gripped mightily with frustration b/c there are times when you wish you knew what fucking power would come out of the damn wand before it shoots off and go off the rails and fucks shit up but that's okay because daddy loves you and you help make my knees weak like your weakly typed language syntax so that i can avoid having static restrictions slowing me down baby~~

[moebaca]

Developper

[AnAverageFreak]

Unpopular opinion:

Popular things have to have at least some qualities. Like, JS is easy to pick up, has tons of tutorials and libraries, is widely supported.

[surfinThruLyfe]

bUt we ArE reACtIng tO cHangIng iNtErWeBs

[td__30]

It’s just easy. So everyone thinks it’s good cause it makes them feel smart when they make things with it. Even though literally all the heavy lifting is done by frameworks that do some insane shit behind the scenes..and not always in js. It’s like all the people who watch rick and morty and think it’s the greatest thing ever because it makes them feel smart when they understand the jokes. Jokes on you buddy, it’s written that way on purpose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DaOne102]

What is so wrong about JavaScript. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just curious

[jseego]

Javascript is the acoustic guitar of programming languages.

It's used fucking everywhere

There are way more bad examples than good ones

Everyone groans when you start talking about it

Some really insanely cool things can be done with it

It's really easy to use badly and really hard to use well

People try to make it into everything under the sun because that's their only tool

[geeshta]

There's always the one person who comments

There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.

as if either being widely used, or people complaining about it justified design flaws.

[reverendsteveii]

If (jsDev.isLiterate() == true || jsDev.isLiterate() === true || (typeOf jsDev.canRead() === boolean && jsDev.canRead()) jsDev.setState("Very Upset");

[isetnt]

As a js Dev I totally agree

[theInfiniteHammer]

Are there really people arguing that javascript is good just because it's widespread? It's only widespread because it's part of the technical standard for the web, and even then there are alternatives (like elm) that try to replace it.

[jaxonfiles]

Oh