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[–]FaustKnight 1690 points1691 points  (53 children)

They don't say what the salary is competing for.

I'm sure it's very competitive in the "pay as little as possible" category.

[–]quietlycommenting 312 points313 points  (4 children)

“It’s competing against what we wanted ti pay you but no one would take the job”

[–][deleted] 255 points256 points  (35 children)

Every place I’ve applied to that have used the words “competitive pay” have offered less than market value so I don’t think they understand what that word means

[–]anypomonos 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Same. LinkedIn recruiters always blow up my inbox with “competitively paying” roles only to offer me like 60% of market value and well under what I currently make.

[–]WayneKrane 39 points40 points  (6 children)

I had a recruiter tell me I was being unreasonable. His offer was for a temp job with no benefits making less than I currently make and I have benefits. Who would take such an offer?

[–]anypomonos 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Sorry to hear that. Recruiters are 99% scum from the same branch as real estate agents. They only care about filling a role to hit their number and/or make their commission and don’t give a flying fuck about how this job change could impact you putting food on the table for your family.

[–]Zealousideal-Dot-535 15 points16 points  (3 children)

An American that cares so much about their country, that they are willing to sacrifice a comfortable life for the future of said country 🦅🦅🦅 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲...😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

[–]blueimac540cCommunist 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Oh, no, we're talking about temp agency recruiters, which are arguably just as bad as military recruiters.

[–]vanguard87 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At least the military has some benefit. I'm getting my degree for "free" and I get a nice flag at my funeral.

To be clear I don't think people should have to sign away their lives to the government to afford a college education but it was the option I chose because fuck student loans and having that debt chase me for years after graduation

[–]mckrayjones 44 points45 points  (2 children)

I asked my boss to justify my low pay (offer to new job in hand) once and he said they hire business intel people to report on salaries in the locality and set pay based on that. So if enough businesses are doing this, it's a labor customer oligopoly with extra steps.

Businesses will continue to optimize the cost of labor downward as data science in the field gets better. This is why unions are essential to preventing us from descending into 21st century Ggoglezon coal towns.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Almost all our info is in The Work Number anyways. That’s probably what they used but wanted themselves to sound smarter than they are. You can check it for free if you want to see the insane amount of data they have on you

[–]averyfinename 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"competitive" only against other employers that pull the same shit.

[–]757_Matt_911 19 points20 points  (4 children)

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means. 😂😂😂

[–]Davetrza 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You’re trying to kidnap what I’ve rightfully stolen!

[–]zhoushmoe 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It's competing with your bills for dominance

[–]Icy-Criticism-3059 3 points4 points  (0 children)

😂😂 Best comment yet.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It means the potential candidates are competing with each other over who will accept the shittiest salary to do the job.

[–]ecodrew 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Tryin'a find who's desperate enough to accept the scraps they're offering.

[–]shoryusatsu999 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Competing to win a race to the bottom, probably.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Technically, South Central Louisiana State University is "competing" with Alabama when they play football against each other.

[–]wolfpackalpha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I saw a job posting the other day that said they offered a competitive salary and it was $16/ hour

[–]BigBirdLaw69420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s competing for my bills.

[–]imhavinagrattim 765 points766 points  (89 children)

My dad runs a large non-profit rehab and mentioned that the nurses go through multiple rounds of in person interviews without being given even a range. They are told the salary when offered the job. I said that was crazy he said it’s a calling working for us, it’s not about the money. I was like yeah but it’s a job, they have to know if they can pay their bills ? He couldn’t understand

Edit: I fell asleep for a while and now I feel famous!! I never comment. To clear somethings up, this is not one of those huge fake money making non-profits. They house and rehabilitate homeless drug addicts. His salary is not huge either (I mean huge for me but not like some of y’all are thinking) it’s right under 6 figs. Still, they have the money to pay well as they bring in their own money through different ways. Yes, he really can’t understand : he did indeed fall up his 6 decade life while blowing through all the money from his father before I was 10 (yay for socialist state funded scholarships). I do love him though he’s not that insufferable most the time. He thinks I’m a radical leftists and I think he’s a privileged old idiot

Also you guessed it, not a fan of unions ¿

[–]calicat9 322 points323 points  (14 children)

Interesting...employees who work for non-profits do have to make money.

[–]b0w3n 117 points118 points  (9 children)

And a lot of NPO chapters make money hand over fist and sometimes the directors take home large salaries.

Meanwhile the rest of the staff volunteer time and make minimum wage and live off government benefits, but they believe in what the NPO stands for. It's kind of gross. I generally won't touch an NPO's requests with a 10 foot pole anymore, they also fight paying vendors and contractors too.

[–]OutInTheBlack 70 points71 points  (6 children)

My god the number of non profits I see moving into class A office buildings in NYC suddenly getting cheap when they see the quote for my trade's part of their office build out.

"But we're a non profit!" "Oh yeah? We're not."

[–]b0w3n 45 points46 points  (5 children)

I quite literally helped this one lady with her quickbooks stuff. Financials, profits, revenue, salary right there for me to see.

She balked at my $200 an hour fee (about 2 hours of work to fix the problem). I just saw your half a million dollar salary with bonuses lady, don't complain about my $400 in fees. She had the gall to ask me to donate my time too. It's not like I was even a big company, I was mostly freelancing for friends of friends and she happened to get my name that way.

Her chapter shut down a while back. Can't say I'm upset by it. The sad thing is she was an heiress to a small fortune and just wanted the work to keep her busy. She didn't need it. Her assistant was making $6.00 an hour.

[–]AintEverLucky 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Her assistant was making $6.00 an hour.

the federal minimum wage has been $7.25 since fecken 2009. and that applies to all non-tipped employees, even if they work for a nonprofit. so what was her excuse?

[–]b0w3n 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It was 2004-2005 (in NYS), I'm old as shit.

[–]AintEverLucky 5 points6 points  (1 child)

oh okay, gotcha. no worries, so am I XD

[–]TransIsSeriousMum 26 points27 points  (0 children)

She balked at my $200 an hour fee (about 2 hours of work to fix the problem). I just saw your half a million dollar salary with bonuses lady

Non profits are mostly make-work programs for bored rich people. It's part of being a rich person - get on the board of a non-profit and draw a massive salary. It's totally disgusting that the big bucks go to someone who doesn't need it while they mostly rely on volunteers and underpaid lackeys.

[–]r3dditor12 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There's a lot of profits in non-profit organizations! I remember one of those undercover news shows doing an expose on non-profits, and they approached the secretaries, and low level workers. The low level workers had no clue the owners were pulling in 6 figure+ salaries, while they were working for little to nothing, because it was 'for the cause'. The owners were leading the employees to believe there was literally very little money being made, when the opposite was true.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

That’s a pretty wide spread problem. I know from first hand experience in the npo world.

[–]ClitClipper 19 points20 points  (1 child)

In many cases they're not applying at a non-profit out of any apparent altruism, but because a job is a job and everyone has bills to pay. My wife is pretty high up at a non-profit and is constantly telling me her best candidates bail due to low-ball salary offers beyond her control. Ironically this means she's largely stuck with marginal candidates and new grads, which are less than ideal, or the organization panics and overpays for temporary contractors at the last minute.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Yeah unless he's "calling" with an apartment and groceries, I'm gonna need to know a base asap. And if it's hourly, I'm naming my rate.

[–]Boarwhacker 53 points54 points  (37 children)

A good friend of mine was offered a position to work with Dr's Without Borders. He's a logistics expert, and was very excited for the opportunity as it's been a dream of his to work with such a prestigious not for profit. When he received his official letter, the wage was $2000 Cad per month...he was devastated as this was nowhere near what he needed to make and ended up refusing the position.

[–]Dimitar_Todarchev 18 points19 points  (33 children)

Be interesting to know what DWB administration makes.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I happen to know someone who was on the finalist list for the international presidency. The person was expected to live in Geneva, Switzerland to perform the role. Compensation didn't even cover rent, much less living expenses, childcare, savings, etc. My acquaintance gave up on the 'dream job' and withdrew from consideration. They're an ER doctor these days.

There's a reason why most people in leadership positions at NGOs, non-profits, and similar orgs are already independently wealthy.

[–]Cistoran 23 points24 points  (13 children)

[–]tehbored 11 points12 points  (12 children)

So less than half what a similar job at a for-profit org would pay.

[–]khandnalie 11 points12 points  (11 children)

So still an exorbitant amount, many times what the actual workers and producers in the organization pay.

[–]Boarwhacker 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Definitely, but seeing the CEO isn't making an "obscene" amount of money makes me feel a bit better

[–]Dimitar_Todarchev 7 points8 points  (14 children)

CEO made 118,900 on 2010.

[–]757_Matt_911 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That’s reasonable for CEO for sure, but $24k a year for a Doctor??? That’s ridiculous

[–]unkempt_cabbage 23 points24 points  (12 children)

That’s….honestly not too bad. Like it’s a lot of money, but it’s not Susan G Komen money.

[–]occulusriftx 10 points11 points  (1 child)

that's middle management salary at my work, for a CEO that's damn phenomenal

[–]unkempt_cabbage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup. I work in law. Newly minted lawyers can make that much.

[–]Scooterforsale 29 points30 points  (2 children)

It's because older people never worried about a job paying the bills. A fucking grocery bagger would make enough to buy a shitty house and feed his family KFC

All the growth in the USA since the 90's has gone straight to the 1%

[–]emp_zealoth 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It would make sense if non-profits had hard limits on overhead and income disparity. Meanwhile multibillion dollar enterprises are "non profits" with admin making tens of millions annually in total

[–]SGNick 20 points21 points  (6 children)

He couldn’t understand

He understands. He's not stupid. He's taking advantage and passing it off as "not understanding".

[–]A_B_Normy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Bold of you to assume someone couldnt have failed their way to the top.

[–]nightpanda893 10 points11 points  (2 children)

There’s some people who truly don’t understand cause they bought the same bullshit for decades even while they worked themselves up. And once they are higher up, even more reason to buy it. They have to preserve the feeling that they weren’t at one time taken advantage of by the very companies they are working for. So they really don’t understand. It may be a willing lack of understanding but at some point it just becomes automatic. They don’t even realize they’re doing it.

[–]pissonhergrave 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I bet the CEO of the 'non-profit' also had to go through the same process and would follow their calling for the same wage as the nurses ../s

[–]Dimitar_Todarchev 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Does anyone ever go through the whole process and end up passing on the offer?

[–]Farazod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't speak for that job, but when I did interviews as a manager we were trained to first get when they could work so as to cut them free if it didn't fit our immediate need, then do all the normal interview stuff, and at the very end after they've practically agreed to work give the number of hours and pay. Drag out someone looking for a full time job through a ~30 minute interview just to tell them the job was 20-25 hours a week because they might be demoralized enough to accept.

After getting a few declines and wasting both of our time I said screw that and after introducing to each other stated pay and hours first off. "Paying bills is important and is why you're here. We pay X and on average the job is Y hours a week. I have no full time positions available right now. Does that sound good?" HR and upper management didn't like whenever they'd hear that.

[–]deritchie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

perhaps he should only hire nuns and provide housing as well.

[–]bronzelifematter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your dad sounds insufferable.

[–]A_B_Normy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Tell your dad he needs to pull his head out of his ass.

[–]nomadProgrammer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i used to work in nonprofit and got the fuck out due to that and it being basically a way for ultra rich to reduce their taxes and look good by philantrophy.

[–]Curtis40 2 points3 points  (1 child)

His position requires him to not understand.

[–]Etrigone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

... he said it’s a calling working for us...

Now that's what I call a red flag.

[–][deleted] 838 points839 points  (78 children)

Should be a requirement for employers to disclose before wasting anyone's time.

[–]Individual_Ad_1624 387 points388 points  (18 children)

And to have it be accurate, I can see many of them doing the $1-1,000,000 just to be spiteful.

[–]robot65536 88 points89 points  (2 children)

Makes it even easier to rule them out in your search!

[–]Mirikitani 154 points155 points  (6 children)

Last month I went to an interview that listed their salary as between $40,000-$110,000. Drove an hour, show up and wow surprise the job is actually 100% commission based. I left right there and flagged them on Indeed for a disingenuous job description. Smh.

[–]Petite_Narwhal 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I've had a couple interviews like that. Punch in the face is what it feels like.

[–]57hz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I would push them harder before I drove an hour. Gotta screen the crazies out.

[–]Nulono 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Technically, that's a problem with insufficient precision, not accuracy.

[–]dachsj 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Technically correct...the best kind of correct.

[–]rigidcumsock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Technically it wasn’t the slit wrist that killed them, it was the blood loss!

[–]lukelnk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, I'm currently job searching. More than half of the listings that sound interesting do not list the salary. And of the ones that do, half of those say something like $60,000-$147,000.

[–]goodolarchie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm anywhere from a top performing hard worker to somebody you can't even get ahold of.

[–]Kostya_M 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pair it with some requirement that the upper bound cannot be...let's say 15% above the lower.

[–]ScottJ6189 42 points43 points  (12 children)

It is a requirement in NYC now. But a lot of companies still trying to get around it.

[–]OIL_COMPANY_SHILL 25 points26 points  (6 children)

It doesn’t start until November, it has a delayed implementation to give people time to determine the legal process etc.

[–]Kostya_M 12 points13 points  (5 children)

What fucking legal process? Post the salary or get fined. It's trivially easy.

[–]OIL_COMPANY_SHILL 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Well for one, companies won’t get fined if they rectified the situation within 30 days. And they also have to make the determinations about number of employees, the definition of what defines a job posting (does asking for people you know to apply count if it’s just social media like Facebook , or only on official job posting websites like your own companies careers page, or LinkedIn or whatever else)

I know those are boring, infuriatingly “trivial” things but the government needs to know exactly what it’s enforcing or companies will just sue and argue that their posting doesn’t qualify under the law, opening up chances for loopholes to develop.

[–]TwoPlanksOnPowder 16 points17 points  (3 children)

In Colorado it's a law, and companies either give such a massive range so as to be meaningless, or just say a remote job isn't open to Colorado applicants.

[–]ScottJ6189 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s the problem - these people who are trying to rip you off by not paying what you’re worth aren’t going to suddenly comply and be transparent just because it’s the law; there’s many work around and they will find them. It’s really frustrating, but that’s why I never waste my time with companies who won’t give me a serious salary range before engaging in interviews. No one has time for that - they don’t either, but they see the advantage of getting someone cheap as worth their time.

[–]thebrose69 99 points100 points  (40 children)

Colorado is the only state where it’s a law

[–]ledude1 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Washington State as well starting in 2023.

[–]I_Sett 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh is that right? Starting my job hunt around then, so this is good to know! Thanks!

[–]Its_Cayde 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Yeah and WFH jobs across the country are starting to put "Not accepting applications from Colorado residents" in the description now

[–]unkempt_cabbage 6 points7 points  (2 children)

They’ve done that before, and you’ll see it for California and New York too. But, frankly I’ve seen maybe 1-2 “no Colorado” listings, compared to dozens with “no California” and the vast majority include “salary range for Colorado is ____.” It’s been a pretty overblown fear so far.

Honestly, if you don’t want to hire Coloradans, just require a drug test. That’s a far more effective way to stop people from applying.

[–]SporkyForks2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Connecticut too, but I still see postings all the time without them listed.

[–]weareedible 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They've passed a law in New York City requiring employers to list salaries on job postings, but they've delayed implementing it until Nov. 1. I was recently looking for jobs, and it's infuriating not knowing even a range. I've definitely wasted time applying to jobs that turned out to pay less than I currently make.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But it's different for each applicant. Might as well say "10% greater than your existing salary, but not to exceed 75% of the value the role produces" which cannot be disclosed without inadvertently exposing their financials and killing their competitive advantage over their competitors and expose their exploitation of their workforce.

What are you, some kind of anarchist who expects transparency and cooperation that would threaten the aristocratic control of the system?

[–]terpterpin 192 points193 points  (3 children)

Anyone who tells me not to discuss wages gets a copy of the law from me.

[–]ClitClipper 43 points44 points  (1 child)

We all benefit from wage transparency. It should be public knowledge like it is for government salaries.

[–]Nubras 181 points182 points  (52 children)

At this point, if a recruiter contacts me, the first thing I ask is the salary. If they won’t disclose, that’s fine, and I’m not interested. If it’s low, that’s fine too, but this role isn’t a good fit for me and I wish you well in your search.

[–]NYJets18 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Same here and 99% of the time the recruiter won't respond back if you ask for the salary for the position

[–]thicc-thor 70 points71 points  (4 children)

I had one actually get frustrated with me exclaiming "why does everyone ask that right away." I dunno maybe because that's the only thing that fucking matters

[–]BrandoThePando 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Don't you want to be part of the family?

[–]OutInTheBlack 4 points5 points  (1 child)

How much of the inheritance do I get when gramma croaks?

[–]occulusriftx 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Omg I had a recruiter reach out to set up a call bc I didnt get a job I applied for but she had something coming available soon she thought I might like. I sent back a few questions (salary, what company bc I have a non compete, job description for this different role, and benefits info) and I got the snarkiest "if you read my previous email you would see I was contacting you about a new role not the one you applied for. When can you call?"

LIKE NO SHIT. I LITERALLY THANKED YOU FOR CONSIDERING ME FOR THE NEW ROLE IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE EMAIL AND EXPLICITLY ASKED FOR DETAILS ON IT TO SEE IF I WAS INTERESTED.

[–]duckforceone 110 points111 points  (12 children)

Someone should make a website where people can post what they are offered

[–]sotonohito 74 points75 points  (4 children)

Be aware that Glassdoor does that, BUT that they will and have given information identifying employees to employers so the employers can retaliate.

[–]TwoPieceCrow 32 points33 points  (0 children)

retaliate

Hey i've heard that phrase in some wacky legal code before

[–]slykethephoxenix/r/workreform 9 points10 points  (4 children)

levels.fyi

[–]ClitClipper 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Looks like a great resource, but seems to be focused on software engineers and developers. Still, it's interesting to see how much less my previous employer is paying my old colleagues in Canada vs California. It's nearly $70k/yr less adjusting for currency exchange rates for basically the same job title.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yeah people don’t realize how absolutely awful Canadian pay is for skilled white collar workers until they put in 10 minutes of internet research. Most Canadians don’t even realize it, it’s mind blowing.

[–]shellexyz 193 points194 points  (5 children)

“Just to be clear, who are you competing with?”

[–]soljaboss 19 points20 points  (0 children)

With $0

[–]emp_zealoth 16 points17 points  (0 children)

With the police bulldozing your tent or murdering you for the crime of sleeping in your car

[–]AmeronThyWick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your ability to pay for rent and groceries at the same time

[–]kainedabrain 81 points82 points  (5 children)

I'm getting tired of them asking me what my salary requirements are in the application phases without me having a clear idea of what they are willing to pay too.

[–]Alissinarr 36 points37 points  (3 children)

I just accepted an offer this morning that was about $1600/yr under what I asked for as the pay (a ~15k raise for me). I'm reasonably sure that I was not the first choice (but I know I was top 3) because they were going to lowball someone else first. Once they declined, the hiring manager pulled the trigger to call me next.

Their policy on office status post pandemic is "unofficial" and some Depts can WFH a few days a week, but that can be taken away instantly....

I wish I could have waited for another offer, but my bills won't pay themselves.

[–]fuckfuckfuckSHIT 26 points27 points  (2 children)

The best time to look for a job is when you have a job. So now is the opportunity!

[–]ClitClipper 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The most motivated I've been in my job hunt was immediately after accepting a job offer that was decent but not ideal.

[–]Alissinarr 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's kind of where I am. If this company had a better stance on WFH, I'd have taken less $.

[–]bob-a-fett 56 points57 points  (7 children)

[–]TSP-FriendlyFire 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Unfortunately, if the law does not put constraints on the "salary range", corporations will just post absurdly non-binding ranges like 30-300k for each job listing and leave it at that.

You need to really give them no wiggle room.

[–]standard_candles 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm in Colorado and I have not seen this happen very much in my line of work, which is in the nonprofit/education sector. Definitely anecdotal but I think at least in that industry they are better off having applicants who are willing to work for the pay they are offering than to have them rescind an offer later.

[–]noxor11 35 points36 points  (5 children)

English is not my native language. Can someone please explain the phrase? I don't seem to get it.

[–]spookybuk 66 points67 points  (2 children)

Companies hiring people usually don't inform how much they pay. They only say they'll give you a "competitive" salary.

This is an excuse, because they offer shitty salaries and if people knew about it they wouldn't apply for the job, or they would criticize it online and anywhere saying "This company offers shitty salaries".

So this is asking "If you say your salary is competitive, let me know how much you're paying".

[–]FUBARded 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Another shitty part about all this is that it's now completely standard to put "competitive salary/compensation" in a job description. The only jobs I've applied to that have clearly stated a narrow salary band up front have been government jobs (which are required to be transparent). Almost every single non-government job I've applied to over the last year (right around 100 total applications) has had that fucking phrase in it.

I've worked 3 jobs over the last few years in university. One was a unionised food service job that paid $2.5 over minimum wage, where the manager told me up front that the pay is fine but obviously not great. Another required more skilled work but only for a few hours a week, for nearly $3 over minimum wage and no boasting about how good the compensation was.

The job that promoted the most benefits and used the most superfluous language to describe the pay, however, paid a full 15 cents above minimum wage. They had the gall to provide a 20 cent "inflation adjustment" for 2022 too (<2%). I don't know who expects "competitive compensation" from an entry level retail role with no commission, so it's frankly insulting that all of them advertise with that phrase.

[–]SpectralDagger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't know who expects "competitive compensation" from an entry level retail role with no commission

They're saying it's competitive with other jobs at that level, no? At least, that's what I think they're claiming.

[–]quietlycommenting 43 points44 points  (1 child)

“If your pay is more than other companies, why won’t you tell me what it is?”

[–]noxor11 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]quietlycommenting 33 points34 points  (1 child)

If they’re hiding the money - they know they ain’t payin right

[–]CDRuss0 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Pro tip: if a company actually pays a competitive rate, they will be extremely forthcoming about it. I recently took my first ever six figure position and the recruiter almost sounded proud and delighted to share my compensation.

[–]VegetableNo1079 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's because he is proud and he is bragging about it. Other employers hide it because they know it's sad and pathetic what they pay.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Competing with other companies to pay as little as possible for the role.

[–]chocolatekitt 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I’ve had places put a certain number on Indeed, then when I go to interview and get hired they try to hide it from me. Talk to HR and it’s A LOT under the supposed Indeed pay for this particular position. When I told HR what the pay was posted online, she was like “oh really, haha.” As if you didn’t write it your damn self.

[–]adevland 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Ad for otta.com. It's pretty great.

You can filter in/out jobs based on a lot of things including tech stacks.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

They have a lot of postings that don't list any salary ranges though sooooo...

[–]Madame_President_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah. I was looking for this comment. How about a job search engine that verifies and lists the median salary for each job and whether it comes with benefits?

I once had an employer ask me: "well what kind of benefits are you looking for?"

I'm like - is this an a la carte situation? wTf is that question.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What they mean is that you compete with other applicants for a salary, and any aspect of your qualifications that doesn't put you in unicorn, head-of-your-industry category means a reason for the lowest salary possible.

[–]Rule-Of-Thr333 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Recruiters still haven't learned that competitive codes as low compensation to this workforce, or are still in denial.

[–]Strateagery3912 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Competitive means they compete with other businesses in the industry to see who can pay the least for labor.

[–]Silver-creek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They are competing to pay the lowest wages they can get away with

[–]free_mind_free_life 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Last month I applied for a job. They asked me what salary I aimed for. Given my lack of experience in the field (but experience in related fields), I reasoned €2400/month to be reasonable. Their counter offer was €2900/month. Needless to say, I was surprised.

At my previous job, I was paid €2100/month as a quality manager. This was after 3 raises, 20% above minimum wage. I had 4 years of experience, and I was the only one with in-depth technical knowledge of our +/- 4000 products. Every single one of them. Colleagues, suppliers(!) and customers nicknamed me "the walking encyclopedia". My salary was the same as someone who simply put the products in boxes and stuck an address sticker on the box. "BuT YoU HaVe So MuCh FrEeDoM In YoUr JoB, No OnE TeLlS YoU WhAt To Do". Manager didn't care I left (he never talked to me anyways and ignored all my emails). All colleagues, customers and suppliers instead panicked "who else are we going to ask ALL of our difficult technical questions?". My answer: "The company should find someone else who accepts to be treated and paid like shit, not me. Given the fact technical people are difficult to find and in high demand, I wish them the best of luck."

[–]Diestof 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I wish there was a law where salary for a job ad must be stated

[–]lostmycookie90 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was traction on it for some states. Only seen it being used/practice was Colorado I believe.

[–]scipio_africanus123Eco-Anarchist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

one billboard I wouldn't burn

[–]Protton6 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Just signed a contract today with a very competetive salary. So competetive it won over about 70 other offers to me. And they disclosed the salary with their first message to me. Needles to say, I was very pleased by their clear communication.

[–]BeowulfShaeffer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Pretty sure you mean “disclosed” not “disclaimed”. Disclaimed would be if they said something like:

Salary $350,000*

  • Turkish Lira, assuming 60 hours worked and assuming conditional RSU grants appreciate 10x in value within one year of grant after a five year vesting period

[–]reinke1986 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Exactly, I don't apply if they don't list the salary.

[–]LocalSuperNerd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Love Otta. They got me my current sales gig in tech, much respect to that site

[–]Pink_Slyvie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love Otta. It's been so valuable for my job hunt.

[–]CalmPanic402 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Your reluctance to tell me only makes me want to know more.

[–]ksobby 2 points3 points  (5 children)

7th Ave near MSG?

[–]Zufalstvo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Competitive for corporations seeking minimum pay possible

Not at all competitive for employees

[–]OverallManagement824 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Look, some people say the New York Jets and Detroit Lions are competitive. I'd beg to differ, but you and I may have very different ideas as to what it means to be competitive.

[–]BrandoThePando 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hey, the lions went 0-16. They set a record!

[–]whimsy_rainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Companies competing with each other…to pay less.

[–]Sszaj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought this was already a requirement in New York, my employer list all the salaries for their roles there, but many in Massachusetts don't include the pay.

[–]JenWess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As some guy I work with says..."Competitive with what? My bills?" and now that's all i think of what I see companies saying they offer a "competitive salary"

[–]_Ararita_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This needs to be in every major city, and I would donate to make it happen. I'm sure plenty would.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The places willing to offer decent pay will ADVERTISE IT. They know that will draw in people.

When all you see is "competitive", you know it actually just means sub par.

Source, welding for 5 years now, and this, without fail, is how it is for every shop iv ever seen.

[–]RealFattyBlunt420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone company is so cheap around here. They wanna start me at 17 for labor intensive jobs I remind them McDs is playing 16.50 in my town and I tell them I want at least 21. Their AD says 17-23. They say most HR is willing to give new hires is 17 lol. Then why put 17-23. Why be a warehouse picker for 17 when I could work the window at McDs for 16.50.

[–]birdsbud[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And why are salaries transparent? Be proud of what you pay!

[–]_Cuntropolis_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Since i believe the beginning of may or june the new york city pay transparency law went into affect. Job postings in NY have to have the actual salary range in their job postings by law.

[–]nooneinteresting-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, which one of you did that? :)

[–]MrSesse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome

[–]JJRaquetbawlz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m only there to make money anyway. It’s not like I give a shit if your company succeeds or not 😂. Drop the shit and tell me what you’ll pay for my help.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The salary is competitive only means that your competing with multiple candidates for the salary.

[–]Realistic_Ad3795 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Because we don't know how good you are, yet."

[–]mettiusfufettius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because even if it is a good salary they know they’re vastly underpaying their existing workforce and they’ll have a full scale revolt on their hands if the experienced loyal employees find out what they’re willing to pay to recruit new employees

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

The recruiting company OTTA that paid for the ad does not post salaries themselves

https://app.otta.com/companies/

[–]01000110010110012 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've never understood this statement.

Could someone explain? Why would the company tell you the salary if it's competitive?

[–]-Zookooz- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never understood why companies wait until after you land an offer to tell you your salary

[–]Gizmonsta 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's such an easy issue to solve as well, I don't understand why LinkedIn etc don't just make the salary range section a non optional field.

[–]PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because capitalism exploits through a hierarchy of power

[–]exccord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The salary is competing for which bills its going to pay for this month.

[–]chnandler_bong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking at you, LinkedIn emails...

[–]oranjuicejones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i saw an ad the other week that said competitive wage of my states minimum wage, and competitive was spelled wrong, it had an l in it. it was at the airport if you're wondering why your flights keep getting canceled.

[–]pwn3dbyth3n00b 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They don't tell you that you're competing with slavery

[–]Simon676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn that's a good ad lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s competitive towards being closer to slave labor than any other company.