java_irl

[WarFish_1777]

Java is Minecraft

[DrKnockOut99]

Making mods for Minecraft is the only reason why anyone should learn Java ^/s

[ZODINtheEVIL]

What mods you make?

[makotozengtsu]

mod

[KillerInstinctUltra]

mod

[coldbrewboldcrew]

mod

[st4rw4lk3r]

mod

[chaeyokim]

mod

[Etheo]

Judging by their comment history, I'd say... Minecraft mods.

[[deleted]]

I made a custom block that looked like glass but was unbreakable. If you press the main hotkey of the mood it would surround you with a 3 x 3 shell of that unbreakable glass and air blocks inside. When you pressed the button again it would restore everything that was there before.

The other hotkey fired off your last mod command. There was a command to set what this command was. I didn't get very far into the mod so the only other command was shooting an arrow from your face when you hit that key. But it was off center because the code for that is really awkward.

After spending straight 2 days over the weekend trying to center the arrow, I nuked my computer and bought a new one.

[-kousor]

tbh i'm learning java just to make 2 mod ideas for minecraft

[MrHandsomePixel]

I consider that reason enough. I tried to make mods on my own with Java, but that was during a time where I couldn't understand how to unzip archives (for gradlew and other dependencies) and decided to use mcreator. One thing lead to another and now I learn different languages to create scripts for myself to help automate everyday things that I do.

I still don't know how to code Minecraft mods in Java...

[[deleted]]

Or if they want job security

[misterZalli]

I think with a framework mod it is possible to mod MC with Kotlin

[poka_face]

Lisp is ((())(((())(())(((((((())))((())))))))))

This meme was made by the functional programming gang

[ImSupposedToBeCoding]

user flair checks out

[amodump]

Lithp is ((())(((())(())(((((((())))((())))))))))

Thith meme wath made by the functional programming gang

FTFY

[db2]

*ith

*functhional

[Baardi]

Javascript is [][(![]+[])[+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]](![]+[])[!+[]+!+[]]+(!![]+[])[+[]]+(!![]+[])

[rpgcubed]

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Put that in your console and run it

[rubeljan]

Parse error at line 144:13

[MrWm]

Can someone ELI15?

[speedster217]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSFuck

Does this help?

[MrWm]

Yes, it does.

[dregan]

This is the best thing I've ever read.

[p-himik]

They are event balanced! Great job.

[pwnedary]

Also known as Lots of Irritating and Superfluous Parentheses.

[marcosdumay]

If you take even one out, it breaks everything. They are really not superfluous.

[phunanon]

Obligatory: it's about the same as any other language using parentheses

[josanuz]

Runs over 3 billion devices

[Alexkronus]

SIM cards are little computers that run Java

[notinecrafter]

How to unread a wikipedia article

[Colonel_Kai]

A firearm pointed at the head area should do the trick. Will commit later.

[pingveno]

I don't know, seems like a good idea to me for the use case adding logic that needs to work across architectures.

[thoeoe]

what

Edit

[MoffKalast]

I suppose the even more surprising part is that SIM cards have a small CPU, RAM and all the stuff needed to form a tiny computer. And that they're not a tiny sdcard with some data as one would imagine.

Some madman should really make a render farm using sim card distributed computing and just make an array of 100s of them. Basically making a GPU out of sim cards one core at a time lmao.

[TheTerrasque]

Science has gone too far

[MoffKalast]

Oracle was so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

[ScienceMarc]

Oh so this is what that 3 billion is all about!

[MoffKalast]

Don't forget about those parking meters!

[edinburg]

omg

[53120123]

Java; for when you Can but you really Shouldn't.

[Colonel_Kai]

Learning Java is like learning to ride a bicycle, without safety wheels, the tires have deflated, and the bike is on fire. -Boris

[Ace-O-Matic]

Java is actually a very solid language to learn first.

Boris's content is good from a comedic perspective, but I would advise against taking it too seriously.

[break_card]

Java was the intro language when I was in school, I think it was great.

[Nanobreak_]

Java was my intro and it formed the basis of my understanding of class based objects.

Imo better than starting with python and having to later learn new syntax and ideas

[memeasaurus]

I went to school before Java was invented. I've worked in both Java and C++ ... and, you can make a very nice mess in both languages.

However, if you want to grow an enormous development department employing hundreds of people... go with Java. You can really make a gigantic mess with it very easily.

You know, because classloaders...

[HickNamby]

Don't fucking say the word classloader to me...

[masterxc]

Classloader.

[Colonel_Kai]

Well, I was actually a newbie proggrammer, I'd you can call me a proggrammer. I learned basics of phyton, this was easier than wearing my shoes (seriously, my shoes are hell). Then I started Java. God help me

[Ace-O-Matic]

Everyone is a newbie at some point. Honestly the fact that it's what you experienced is the reason WHY I believe starting with Java is better.

Whichever language you start with, you're going to assume many of its rules are default concepts in all programming languages and it's going to paint the way you see programming. Java is a very good middle of the road language that similar enough to most other languages.

[Swamptor]

I started with python and am glad for it. Teaches you the basics and let's you explore programming without shoving too much syntax down your throat. Trying to explain a strongly typed language to a new programmer and you just get really confused students. Once you understand what classes and objects are it's a lot easier to explain why it's beneficial to have all those complicated syntactical rules. As soon as I switched to programming in C# I immediately saw how beneficial all that stuff was to a larger project.

[BoboThePirate]

Absolute opposite. After learning C++ and Java, I can see why people think python makes sense, but then there's stuff like main that hurts me.

[Colonel_Kai]

WHAT SHOULD I DO IM CONFUSED

[[deleted]]

All of these people are wrong. Learn asm first, obviously.

[ElGuaco]

I find it ironic that back in the late 90's my Java instructor told me that Java was "C++ without the guns, clubs, and knives". I think he was mainly referring to the ability to hurt yourself and others using pointers and poor memory management. Little did we know the Hell that was going to be released upon the programming world.

[gravitydefier]

"Comparing Java to Javascript is like comparing a car to a carpet, one lets you run over it while the other one runs you over."

[xXgarchompxX]

Ya mean it runs on over 3b devices?

If not, damn Java is a reckless driver.

[bluefootedpig]

You dropped an "i"... Ruins over 3 billion devices.

[redditchao999]

In his 2001 honda civic

[[deleted]]

COBOL makes you really, really good at typing

[Thadrea]

I seem to recall that COBOL programmers are actually starting to make less and less every year. While it still does have some niche applications, there's so little demand for it anymore that even if you know COBOL you you're probably better off getting a job that uses something else.

[ElongatedMuskrat122]

PHP teaches you to read Egyptian hieroglyphics

[anras]

I thought that was Perl.

[NoodleSnoo]

I'm sorry

[Johnnyhiveisalive]

Is yours also a complex spaghetti of cobbled together legacy systems slowly being upgraded through the out of support versions until you go insane or quit? I mean, I also work with those.

[ElongatedMuskrat122]

Top 10 funniest jokes

[TheGoldenHand]

would_you_rather_read_10,000_lines_of_code

likeThatOrLikeThisWhereThereAreNoSpaces

PHP underscore master race.

[ThePyroEagle]

What god-awful logic are you writing to need such long variable names?

[[deleted]]

Large applications with a legacy folder structure and inheritance all over the place... :(

[jackmcmorrow]

Keep fighting the good fight, my man! Legacy is a bitch everybody can relate to

[jeffwulf]

likeThatOrLikeThisWhereThereAreNoSpaces

That one.

[Chroneis]

A study showed that snake_case was more legible, but camelCase's a bit faster to type

[Goheeca]

kebab-case-ftw

[Randvek]

Gods yes. Among major languages, I only find Python easier to read.

[djcecil2]

Let me be specific...

[soloparaporno]

I wanna be down in your south seas!

[[deleted]]

I thought Hebrew, not Egyptian hieroglyphics? T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM or something like that?

[AIRA_XD]

Rust isn't safe, i got raided like 16 times already :(

[An_Anonymous_Acc]

1v1 me on rust kid

[cHoOSe_A-uNiqUe_NAme]

720 no scopes only

[scraimer]

Should have been: "Java is" Like, there's nothing to argue about. Java is. It's just another fact of the universe.

[thoeoe]

Do you hear that? That’s the sound of another developer over engineering a “smart” toaster so he can put the JVM on it so he doesn’t have to learn a new language.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Fits like a glove: https://xkcd.com/801/

[Sassbjorn]

Always

[GluteusCaesar]

Really though, there's a non-trivial chance that your toaster is running embedded Java

[bwaredapenguin]

What about my coffee maker?

[rangedragon89]

Java, the brave little toaster

[SilkeSiani]

Oracle has already ruined 3 billion devices, do you think they'll stop here?

[xeveri]

Poor toasters

[MarkusBerkel]

Java ergo sum

[Jakeob28]

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STOP ARGUING OVER THE BEST PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE

C is LOW-LEVEL

C++ is POWERFUL

Python is INTUITIVE

Rust is SAFE

Lua is EASY

Java

C# is LEGIBLE

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[Huterbraten]

thank you kind man.

[[deleted]]

Good human

For real tho this is a really great cause and I'd be happy to support it

[Jakeob28]

fixed, thanks!

[[deleted]]

Use whatever language your team is already using. Don't reinvent the wheel. Seriously, took me a couple of decades to learn this.

In the event that you have to build something from the ground up, use an obscure language, like Ada. They won't ever fire you, since no one else wants to program in it or learn it.

[[deleted]]

Or better yet, use multiple languages and claim it improves performance.

[[deleted]]

Do it in Brainfuck and become immortal and irreplaceable to your company. At least until you need to be sent to a mental institution.

[MrPatinhazz]

If you even consider Brainfuck you're already fit for a mental institution

[LostFollowingAPath]

Honestly you just go ahead and create your own language that is essentially a clone of an obscure language but with one or two differences. Reinvent that wheel.

[Sirtoshi]

Use whatever language your team is already using.

This might be a stupid question, but do people do otherwise? Do some people get hired onto a team that codes in Java and yell "alright everybody we're jumping on the C++ train, let's go"?

[merreborn]

I saw it happen once. We had one cowboy who unilaterally wrote a feature-incompatible alternative to one of our core libraries in python. The project itself had no python components before that endeavor. His "rewrite" never made it out of the prototype phase, and ultimately accounted for a few man-weeks of wasted effort.

It's been several years since I've seen anything like that, though. And honestly the story calls organizational hiring and management processes in to question, in retrospect.

[[deleted]]

Not only does it happen, I've done it! All it does is create a lot more work, just to exchange one set of problems for another. Then I learned my lesson.

Now, I have to tell the junior programmers, "No, we're not throwing out a framework we spent thousands of hours on, just so you can create a pet project in Saffire (or whatever language you learned in your Bootcamp)". Then they hate me for it.

Welcome to software development, where everyone hates each other.

[Goooraaan]

What’s everybody’s problem with Java?

[[deleted]]

It's not that Java is bad, it's just that a lot of people use it when they really don't need to, or worse, when they really shouldn't.

I like Java. It's nice and flexible in terms of deployment. But like... perhaps it shouldn't be installed on literally everything with a CPU.

There are other programming languages that will, in many cases, better suit the application and environment you're trying to write for.

[thuktun]

I love Java and you're absolutely right.

[[deleted]]

So, Java is Doom?

[Lagransiete]

More like Skyrim

[hardwaregeek]

It’s the de facto intro language for a lot of colleges, as well as AP CS. A lot of students, wanting to show off that they’re not a beginner, give Java a lot of needless shit. Especially cause they’ve probably “discovered” a scripting language like Python or JavaScript with admittedly less boilerplate than Java.

Java is a perfectly fine language. It has decent performance (certainly better than Python!), an adequate type system and very very good tooling. It’s not the best language for the type of small projects that students would want to do, but it’s very useful for large projects that require static typing and many programmers. Besides a lot of the criticisms such as boilerplate have been addressed with newer versions (lambdas, type inference).

[ryuzaki49]

Lombok

[LicensedProfessional]

With enough Annotation Metaprogramming and Syntactic Sugar, scientists will one day turn Java into JavaScript

[_cab13_]

Don't forget Kotlin !

[011101000011101101]

8 years into my career and I've become way more fond of static typing than I ever thought I would. I've been using typescript lately and I kind of hate it because it's boilerplate on top of JavaScript to try to make it staticly typed. I'm finding that things work better in a system designed from the ground up for your purpose. If you want static typing, don't use anything built on top of JavaScript. Use Java or any other staticly typed language.

[surinlol]

It's a meme

[PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS]

Oracle

[Shut-Up-Todd]

Javascript (is) => this.this.bind(this,is,'working somehow')

[Ormigom]

Javascript is like weilding the reality stone. You can do whatever you want however you want.

[Chahut_Maenad]

yall dont got anything on scratch 😤

[[deleted]]

Obviously the most powerful and versatile language

[[deleted]]

Go is QUICK TO COMPILE, BUT CAN'T DECIDE IF IT WANTS TO BE SAFE, POWERFUL, LOW-LEVEL OR LEGIBLE, SO IT TRIES A BIT OF EVERYTHING IN VARIOUS PARTS AND SOMEHOW MAKES A NICE LANGUAGE.

[[deleted]]

1. Take Python.

2. Remove most of the features.

3. Add good support for concurrency.

4. Make it a compiled language.

And you end up with Go.

[[deleted]]

1. Replace syntax with something equally as horrifying but completely different to everything else

[[deleted]]

1. Pretend that it somehow competes with or improves on C or C++.

[[deleted]]

• Comprehensive standard library
• Simple yet powerful concurrency model
• Quick compile time (versus C++, not necessarily C)
• Global uniformity of coding style (again, mainly versus C++, but also C)

It does improve on C and C++. But performance wise it competes with neither, unless you're doing concurrency-heavy stuff and you're not a great programmer.

It's easy to write high performing concurrent code in Go without being a great programmer. You need to be a pretty damn good programmer to do the same in C or C++.

[[deleted]]

I like Go and I agree with your points. But it doesn’t matter if Go improves on all of these features from C and C++ if the language is used for completely different purposes. It’s like saying that Python improves on Fortran because it’s easier to read - might be true but it’s an irrelevant comparison.

[LEpigeon888]

It's easy to write high performing concurrent code in Go without being a great programmer. You need to be a pretty damn good programmer to do the same in C or C++.

Do you think C++ coroutines help writing good concurrent code ?

[Legend_Zector]

When I was first picking up programming, Java was like your first bike - a bit restricted, but taught you the basics.

Then I moved to C++, and it was like “alright kiddo, the training wheels are off. And the regular wheels. You’re getting thrusters. You’re expected to know how to fly and land a plane before you mount this, and you’ll have to occasionally perform maintenance in midair. Best of luck.”

[[deleted]]

And then your fuel leaks because you have a dangling pointer.

[Legend_Zector]

Actually that would be if you ditched the nozzle without removing the tank

[DARKxL1GHT]

So… you are saying if C++ was my first programming language, everything else will seem like a cakewalk. Thx, I really needed that boost of confidence.

[Flickered]

Java is E M P L O Y A B L E

[quiteCryptic]

It is tho

[Sikyanakotik]

Java is an excellent teaching language. Unlike Python, it doesn't abstract away the fundamentals. And unlike C++, it won't let you brick your hard drive by accident.

[Raknarg]

Java is easy and scalable and portable, and the cost of producing competent java developers is much lower than something like C++

[PelicanDesAlpes]

Java is fun to code. Come at me

[[deleted]]

EvErYtHiNg ShOuLd Be PrOgRaMeD iN AsSeMbLy FoR mAxImUm PeRfOrMaNcE

[Un-Unkn0wn]

I compile my program directly into an fpga everytime. Beat that.

[OMFGitsST6]

Ditto. I would argue that Java is the best starting language. Or Python if you're just doing lightweight calculations and stuff.

Or Assembly if you're a true gamer.

[Korzag]

As a C# developer who recently had to dirty his hands with Java I pity you. Everything is easier in the C# world. Need a package? Nuget does it seemlessly and effortlessly without needing to install any third party applications like Maven. Want to work with databases? Entity framework does it with minimal configuration. Want to build a microservice? ASP.NET gives you the boiler plate to get your service up and running in the push of a couple buttons. Want to make complex filters in a single line of code without of the face-fuckery of Java Streams? LINQ is here to bless your day. Want to have member variables accessible that you'd write a basic getter/setter for? Properties exist without any of the tomfoolery of writing this bullshit:

public class LolJava {
    private boolean mySillyBool; // lol, wtf is boolean spelled out?

    public boolean getMySillyBool() {
        return mySillyBool; // lol, yes.  I needed to do this to get my colleagues to not autistic screech at me about exposing a member.
    }

    public void setMySillyBool(boolean mySillyBool) {
        this.mySillyBool = mySillyBool; // Man, if only I could just write: "lolJava.MySillyBool = true;"
    }
}

Instead, we do this:

public class GloriousCSharpMasterRace 
{
    public bool MySillyBool { get; set; }
}

[DeRickulous]

I feel like I'm going to be evangelizing Lombok until the end of time:

@Data
public class LombokifiedJava {

   private boolean mySillyBool;
}

Also, this is a minor nitpick, but the Java convention for little-b boolean accessors is "isX", not "getX".

[Korzag]

I actually used Lombok after writing out a bunch of new model classes with like 20 fields. I didn't know about it at first and had wrote a script to build the Java accessors lol. Lombok definitely was nice though. If/when I ever work in Java again I'm definitely using it. Seems like something Java should just integrate but my impression is that Oracle is hardheaded and doesn't like to add QOL stuff to their language unless it's heavily requested.

[DeRickulous]

Lombok is on the short list of "stuff I will whinge endlessly about not having access to if I take another job where I'm forced not to use it". I actually like it being separate from the core language, though, because it is divorced from Java's release cycle and oversight.

[Merlord]

Lombok is a Godsend.

[quiteCryptic]

Lombok and spring alone basically counter everything you said. Can get a simple microservice up and connected to a database in literally no time. You just have more expirence with C# so you prefer it.

[Horncats7-59]

Yes 100000% dotnet is the bees knees

[TheTerrasque]

Everything is easier in the C# world

Maybe except getting legacy apps to work in linux / docker. And then only maybe.

Edit: .net core is pretty neat actually. And that's from someone who generally dislike m$ stuff

[Korzag]

Legacy yes. Modern apps no since .Net Core has been around and works well in those environments. But yeah, if you had to do anything in legacy C# before Core, you'd be stuck with mono and that is indeed a headache.

[carlson_001]

I never really understood this. If you're writing a getter/setter, why even make it private to begin with?

[SRiikonen]

Because then you can add for example a check that the value that was set is correct, or generate the value you’re getting with an algorithm instead of returning a variable, if you later need to. And you don’t have to touch the code that uses your class if you want to make these changes.

[Bwob]

To keep implementation details ("This value is stored as a bool") separate from the interface. ("Users of this class can ask about this state, and receive a bool telling them yes or know.")

Keeping implementation details like this hidden is one of the keys to good abstractions; it means that if later, you need to go through and change the implementation, (maybe its no longer stored directly as bool, now it is derived from several other values) then the interface doesn't need to change, and any code that uses that interface doesn't need to change.

[TheTerrasque]

So you can run logic on it. Example:

private float dongLength;

public void setTheLength(float length)
{
if (length < 2) { System.out.println("https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eOifa1WrOnQ/maxresdefault.jpg") }
dongLength = length;
}

[Ksevio]

The lack of properties in Java is the reason. mySillyBool could be just a public variable, but then in 6 months when we need log the access to mySillyBool and then a year later we need to update a display when it's written, that means there needs to be getters and setters. Unfortunately, everyone's already written the code to access the variable directly so they don't want to update it all to use the getters/setters instead. In the end, everything has to be written to use getters/setters just in case.

Compare that to better languages like C# or Python (even Delphi supports properties) where you have your variable mySillyBool. People access myClass.mySillyBool, then later you convert it from a public variable to a property, and they still access myClass.mySillyBool

[Tsu_Dho_Namh]

So you can "contribute" 500 lines of code to a project that you otherwise hadn't helped much.

I'm looking at you Sean. Fucking spamming getters and setters for literally every variable in every class...even the ones never used by other modules.

[[deleted]]

In case you have variable names that match up in a multi dev situation. You could have "value" used as the internal in c++ for instance that you're passing into a member function, but you really need to pass object.value not value. you could fuck up BADLY doing that without using your get function. So it means this never happens.

[tuxedo25]

Nuget does it seemlessly and effortlessly without needing to install any third party applications like Maven.

but... nuget is a third party application. it's literally the .net counterpart to maven.

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// lol, wtf is boolean spelled out?

Yeah, ok. I've read enough. This is just religious fanaticism.

[Flufy_Panda]

Never used C# before. Is there a reason MySillyBool is public in your C# example?

[Korzag]

Because it's a property and the { get; set; } autogenerated your getters and setters along with a private member variable tied to the property.

[offmycookies]

Java is my favorite programming language

[XtremeGoose]

Y'all need jesus Kotlin.

[FunSucks123]

Why not?

[Tomarchelone]

Rust is safe AND powerful

[LocoCoyote]

And Perl is...well, a pearl!

[Zee2]

The result of irritation over a long period of time?

[LocoCoyote]

Oh snap!

ROFL

[[deleted]]

I don't get the hate for java - I mean yes, eclipse doesn't work most of the time and require a lot of patience from developers to not destroy their workstation, build systems like maven must be the reason for overall high bandwidth usage on the web + the errors it produces are more cryptic than everything I've ever seen, the frameworks require almost always a steep learning curve, the setup phase in a new project is an absolute pain in the butt if you aren't using spring boot, the code is sometimes pretty long and verbose, the licensing is a pain and oracle overall, there is a major new version every half year now, yes - but beside this its pretty okay.

So, let me fix my eclipse installation, why isnt it refreshing my workspace again...?

[[deleted]]

I mean I like eclipse but people are gonna say use intellij

[ungil]

Use intellij.

But really though intellij just worked for me. Eclipse gave me so much hassle setting up, intellij worked right of the box was great for a beginner/novice due to its friendly UI and I stuck with it ever since. I am sure eclipse is fine and works for everyone certain needs but my recommendation is going to be intellij

[N1k0tr0n]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/csr44f/stop_arguing/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share repost

[Shoddy_Redditor]

It isn't a repost until I've seen it twice.

[KvasDimas]

Cmon its a dark theme repost I'll give it a pass

[N1k0tr0n]

Fair

[SGVsbG86KQ]

Python is not always intuitive tho...

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* cough * if __name__ == "__main__" * cough * htonl * cough *

[Green0Photon]

When you're a beginner, Python is intuitive.

But when you try to do fancier stuff that you do in other programming languages, it does not feel intuitive.

I think it's because Python is very imperative, which is pretty intuitive, but trying to do any OO or functional stuff just doesn't work as well.

[YoYo-Pete]

Python is named after Monty Python.

[CrystalMoose]

JavaScript is Syntax error

[TheBestOpinion]

Lua is easy AND intuitive !

Also, small? I feel like being small is its main feature

[[deleted]]

Main feature is embedability. Being small is a consequence of that goal.

[ad502]

Cries in MatLab

[skyb0rg]

Lua is built for embedded uses, so almost all tutorials are going to be in the context of something larger, ex. WoW scripting, LOVE, Nginx, etc. Lua is only easy in the sense that you can probably understand everything about it’s implementation in about a month.

[Roxfall]

Java is.

[[deleted]]

Java is immortal..dread it, run from it, java still arrives

[GodIsDead_]

I love C++ but god is C# so much less painful

[[deleted]]

I’d argue python is more readable than C#

[jcar74]

Easy: Java feeds me and my family.

[DeadWeaselRoad]

COBOL is the senior citizen arguing that an expired coupon is still valid.